Ban appeal

[JackKindred]

BYOND Key: AceOfSpuds.

 Total Ban Length: Literally /permanent/.

 Banning staff member's Key: thegoret

 Reason of Ban: ''Disconnecting'' upon receiving an IC sanction.

Reason for Appeal: Because I simply think this ban is an exaggeration, I've been banned before, yeah, but that was because of my name, that was, apparently, a JoJo reference, though I still don't quite agree with that, I digress, anyway, shit happened IC'ly, Caesar got arrested, and I was being processed in my cell, Klauz was undressing my character so to put the prisoner attire on him, and then, like usual, my internet went to hell, ''Ok'', I thought ''I'll just log back in once it arrives, I was basically arrested already anyway,'', but then, I log back in to a permanent ban, which... honestly, I don't think was warranted, I literally had no reason to quit on purpose, it was a literal 10 minute sentence, and I had already paid my fine, it simply made no sense for me to quit, and I did not, that is why I'm here, not for a second chance, no, this isn't the case, as I did nothing wrong, but simply, for a trial a little bit more fair.

 

[Goret]

Hello. For clarification, the reason of the ban isn't only the one you mentioned: 

You already have been banned recently for the same offense, aka, a "reference" name.
Given the fact that you accumulated the notes and the warning that happened not even two days ago about a disconnection after killing yourself, I decided to escalate to a permanent ban.  
Now, as it was a potential internet problem, I'll give you the benefice of doubt. But I'll ask you to stop the names like this, and have a more believable one. You can't just take two really known individuals, and merge them to make "Caesar Von Schrondinger". 

Tl;dr, I'll unban you. Only thing I ask is to change the name, and please contact a staff member on discord if your internet dies, so we can sort that out. Alrighty? 

[JackKindred]

Ok, though I don't really see how 'Caesar Von Schrodinger' is a reference, though yeah, Schrodinger was a fairly known physicist, his name did /not/ have Caesar in it, nor Von, so... and you did mention ''two really known individuals'', are you referring to 'Caesar'? as in... literal Julius Caesar? that's a bit of a stretch though, isn't it? if you pick apart separate names and search for references about them, virtually everyone's name is a reference to something or someone you see, per example, if someone's named Jake Jackson, the name Jake would be, following your logic, a reference to Adventure Time, while Jackson, would be a reference to Michael Jackson, and if someone were to name themselves Jackie Something, Jackie could be a reference to Jackie Chan, and so on and so forth, now if I had used something like Gaius Julius Caesar Schrodinger, then yeah, I could agree that would be a huge reference, or Erwin Rudolf Josef Schrodinger Caesar, again, reference, but you see, together, 'Caesar Von Schrodinger' is a reference to nothing at all, it's simply an unique name, I'm by no means trying to go against you, just simply trying to understand the whole reference system here, and alright.

[JackKindred]

On 12/10/2019 at 19:38, Goret said:

Hello. For clarification, the reason of the ban isn't only the one you mentioned: 

You already have been banned recently for the same offense, aka, a "reference" name.
Given the fact that you accumulated the notes and the warning that happened not even two days ago about a disconnection after killing yourself, I decided to escalate to a permanent ban.  
Now, as it was a potential internet problem, I'll give you the benefice of doubt. But I'll ask you to stop the names like this, and have a more believable one. You can't just take two really known individuals, and merge them to make "Caesar Von Schrondinger". 

Tl;dr, I'll unban you. Only thing I ask is to change the name, and please contact a staff member on discord if your internet dies, so we can sort that out. Alrighty? 

My bad I forgot to quote you.

[Karolis2011]

I had discussion with you about the name. The thing is that multiple staff members still find it in violation of rule. And they are nicely asking you to change it, but you actively refuse and defend your argument that it's not a reference name because full name is not referencing anything.

In my logic I still find it very reference name because first and last names are just too well known. If you take them both and look alone at then, then you clearly see a reference. Like if you take word "Caesar" what other words come in your mind? Julius? Salad? Cipher? What about "Schrondinger"? Edward? Cat? Equation? You see those two words are way to much embedded in out memories that no matter how you look at them, alone or together, you still find them referencing something.

On 14/10/2019 at 00:24, JackKindred said:

if you pick apart separate names and search for references about them, virtually everyone's name is a reference to something or someone you see, per example, if someone's named Jake Jackson, the name Jake would be, following your logic, a reference to Adventure Time, while Jackson, would be a reference to Michael Jackson

This your example is not seeing that firstname Jake is quite common, but last name is not. To avoid such pitfalls I recommend using https://www.behindthename.com/random/ to randomly help you pick a name, because human mind is prone to using references, and assuming they are unique ideas.

P.S. That 'Von' in it doesn't help you a lot.

[JackKindred]

16 hours ago, Karolis2011 said:

I had discussion with you about the name. The thing is that multiple staff members still find it in violation of rule. And they are nicely asking you to change it, but you actively refuse and defend your argument that it's not a reference name because full name is not referencing anything.

In my logic I still find it very reference name because first and last names are just too well known. If you take them both and look alone at then, then you clearly see a reference. Like if you take word "Caesar" what other words come in your mind? Julius? Salad? Cipher? What about "Schrondinger"? Edward? Cat? Equation? You see those two words are way to much embedded in out memories that no matter how you look at them, alone or together, you still find them referencing something.

This your example is not seeing that firstname Jake is quite common, but last name is not. To avoid such pitfalls I recommend using https://www.behindthename.com/random/ to randomly help you pick a name, because human mind is prone to using references, and assuming they are unique ideas.

P.S. That 'Von' in it doesn't help you a lot.

That 'Von' is something that is explicitly allowed according to the rules, I cannot precisely quote it but it went something like ''Having three names is not allowed, but exceptions are made for 'Von''' and another small middle name I can't recall as of now, but point being, if you cannot use Von, why literally tell people that they are allowed to use middle names if it's something like 'Von'. And yes, they all very nicely asked me to change it, and I answered with an equal tone, not once was I rude in any way whatsoever. Your logic is a bit flawed, just like Jake, the name Caesar and Jackson are EXTREMELY common, and they're- again, according to your logic, extreme references, and-

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Julius? Salad? Cipher?

In your own words, Caesar is not necessarily a direct reference to the Roman emperor Julius Caesar, it could very well be a ''reference'' to the salad, or some other trivial thing. My point still stands unaltered and unchallenged: Every name can be a reference to something if you try hard enough, examples being: Jake, Adventure Time, Jackson, Michael Jackson, Jackie, Jackie Chan, John, John Wick, and the list goes on and on and on, to the point of where EVERY name is a reference, literally, so there's no point in condemning me for using the name Caesar, or Schrodinger, or Von, the latter being very literally allowed, and I'm sure we all hate going back and forth, so, am I at least allowed to keep the name Caesar? though I don't exactly have to, I guess I'll go ahead and remove the Schrodinger and Von part.

[Xelnagahunter]

1 hour ago, JackKindred said:

That 'Von' is something that is explicitly allowed according to the rules, -snip-

 

-snip- though I don't exactly have to, I guess I'll go ahead and remove the Schrodinger and Von part.

The Von part is most assuredly allowed as it constitutes a compound name, however the point being brought up for it being mentioned is that it, in and of itself, does not change the Schrodinger part of the name.

 

On 13/10/2019 at 17:24, JackKindred said:

Caesar in it, nor Von, so...

This is the argument that you made that was being referenced, so that you understand why it was even brought up at all.

[Goret]

I feel like you're drifting away from the main subject. My problem was the combination of Caesar AND Shrondinger. The use of the latter seems not very common at all, but I would have no objection to it being used, like Caesar. I just want you to understand the problem and accept it, then I'll unban you and you'll be allowed to play again.

[JackKindred]

OK, I do understand the quote on quote problem, so I'm allowed to at least keep the name Caesar and use it with something else, right? like, Caesar Wilhelm, per se, is that alright?

[Goret]

You are authorized to keep the name Caesar, as long as it doesn't go with something really TOO known and popular. I'll unban now that you understand.

Appeal accepted.