Don't enforce paperwork in obligatory game areas.

[Dea Tacita]

Despite my earlier, and honestly rather hostile comments. Sorry about that, my anger wasn't really meant towards you as I was just not in the greatest mood before posting and misapplied my feelings towards you.

I do see where you're coming from.

You don't want paperwork forced onto people who don't put themselves into a position that requires its use.

Ultimately really though, this's upto the players as individuals. It's not really much of an issue to enough players to actually actively enforce anything about this, in addition to it rarely happening. I'd say, just do as you said earlier and just set your spawn to cryo if you want to avoid it on the rare occasion where it does occur.

[Erik Tiber]

I think it's extremely important to note that 'tone policing' can really distract from the actual meat of a debate, and the validity of an idea or a criticism is completely independent of the tone in which said complaint is said.

I'm rather disappointed in Gollee for simply dismissing Cassie's point based on her tone. This server needs to be open to feedback and criticism. Going and nitpicking their tone to distract from their argument is not arguing in good faith and it is especially not something our actual staff should be doing.

 

Despite my earlier, and honestly rather hostile comments. Sorry about that, my anger wasn't really meant towards you as I was just not in the greatest mood before posting and misapplied my feelings towards you.

I do see where you're coming from.

You don't want paperwork forced onto people who don't put themselves into a position that requires its use.

Ultimately really though, this's upto the players as individuals. It's not really much of an issue to enough players to actually actively enforce anything about this, in addition to it rarely happening. I'd say, just do as you said earlier and just set your spawn to cryo if you want to avoid it on the rare occasion where it does occur.

What if you're just randomly getting paperwork forced on you by an asshole superior? When I was playing as Lockie, several times Vittorio assigned my character to take a complete inventory of the medbay. Now it was not specified whether they meant the entire medbay or simply the storage room, but this was twice, and this was without anyone trying to steal anything. And he kept bothering me, repeatedly, about filling out a form, even after someone attempted to murder my character.

Like it's rather important to talk about whether or not it's a good idea for people to go about implementing this much paperwork. I think we should have a discussion n]on this, because I personally don't see why we're focusing on making the game so mundane. For all that Skull complains about realism holding us down, all I've seen as problematic is excessive mundanity. This is not asking "What would a future society realistically be like?". It's saying "What is a modern 2015 work environment like?" then copy-pasting it into a futuristic setting with a few 'future-looking' bits tacked over it.

Genetic engineering. Cybernetics. Transhumanism. Computer technology. AI. Many other things which are realistic to have in a futuristic setting, technologies which are developed in the modern day. Instead we have a bizarre pseudo-futuristic setting where people drive their space cars to work at their space office, at their space 9-to-5. We do not think deeply about what the setting should be like. Instead, we free ourselves of the terrible restrictions of realism, thus giving us the freedom to... copy paste the most mundane elements of modern life into the setting.

I simply do not understand this bizarre double standard at work here in regards to what is considered 'too realistic'. Like we're willing to sacrifice realism to make the game intentionally more boring, because that is 'central to suspension of disbelief' or whatever, but at the same time realism is condemned? What do admins actually mean when they say "realism is a problem?" Because I'm receiving some serious mixed signals here.

Edited March 7, 2015 by Guest

[Gollee]

I'm rather disappointed in Gollee for simply dismissing Cassie's point based on her tone. This server needs to be open to feedback and criticism. Going and nitpicking their tone to distract from their argument is not arguing in good faith and it is especially not something our actual staff should be doing.

 

Reread my comments.

 

Despite my earlier, and honestly rather hostile comments. Sorry about that, my anger wasn't really meant towards you as I was just not in the greatest mood before posting and misapplied my feelings towards you.

I do see where you're coming from.

You don't want paperwork forced onto people who don't put themselves into a position that requires its use.

Ultimately really though, this's upto the players as individuals. It's not really much of an issue to enough players to actually actively enforce anything about this, in addition to it rarely happening. I'd say, just do as you said earlier and just set your spawn to cryo if you want to avoid it on the rare occasion where it does occur.

What if you're just randomly getting paperwork forced on you by an asshole superior? When I was playing as Lockie, several times Vittorio assigned my character to take a complete inventory of the medbay. Now it was not specified whether they meant the entire medbay or simply the storage room, but this was twice, and this was without anyone trying to steal anything. And he kept bothering me, repeatedly, about filling out a form, even after someone attempted to murder my character.

 

That is one of the evilest ways to use paperwork, +1

 

Like it's rather important to talk about whether or not it's a good idea for people to go about implementing this much paperwork. I think we should have a discussion on this, because I personally don't see why we're focusing on making the game so mundane. For all that Skull complains about realism holding us down, all I've seen as problematic is excessive mundanity. This is not asking "What would a future society realistically be like?". It's saying "What is a modern 2015 work environment like?" then copy-pasting it into a futuristic setting with a few 'future-looking' bits tacked over it.

The only thing I can think of off hand to help with that is tablets, or biotech huds like you see in several book series; that allow you to mentally deal with things; like bank accounts, vehicles, paperwork, locks.

 

Genetic engineering. Cybernetics. Transhumanism. Comptuter technology. AI. Many other things which are realistic to have in a futuristic setting, technologies which are developed in the modern day. Instead we have a bizarre pseudo-futuristic setting where people drive their space cars to work at their space office, at their space 9-to-5. We do not think deeply about what the setting should be like. Instead, we free ourselves of the terrible restrictions of realism, thus giving us the freedom to... copy paste the most mundane elements of modern life into the setting.

I simply do not understand this bizarre double standard at work here in regards to what is considered 'too realistic'. Like we're willing to sacrifice realism to make the game intentionally more boring, because that is central to suspension of disbelief, but at the same time realism is condemned? What do admins actually mean when they say "realism is a problem?" Because I'm receiving some serious mixed signals here.

 

Having more estoric tech would be fun; weird and wonderful things to catch people's interest, but first ideas need to be drawn up, mechanics figured out, then posted on the suggestions to see what the community thinks; I wouldn't mind gene-tech, or nanotech, they would be interesting; as would the RP potential of Transhumans who think that normal humans are lesser, or simply misguided.

[Nik]

I just want to state that I find the Fax form so fucking awful that it makes me not want to be a head, in case I need to fill it out.

[Guest]

I just want to state that I find the Fax form so fucking awful that it makes me not want to be a head, in case I need to fill it out.

 

Pssst, I hope you aren't using the one in the guide section. The Sitrep NCF from the request console is much better than the forum Fax, and is considered the new way to fax central, in fact they prefer it. And none of that stupid dating, just normal DD/MM/YYYY

[Vittorio Giurifiglio]

I think it's extremely important to note that 'tone policing' can really distract from the actual meat of a debate, and the validity of an idea or a criticism is completely independent of the tone in which said complaint is said.

I'm rather disappointed in Gollee for simply dismissing Cassie's point based on her tone. This server needs to be open to feedback and criticism. Going and nitpicking their tone to distract from their argument is not arguing in good faith and it is especially not something our actual staff should be doing.

 

Despite my earlier, and honestly rather hostile comments. Sorry about that, my anger wasn't really meant towards you as I was just not in the greatest mood before posting and misapplied my feelings towards you.

I do see where you're coming from.

You don't want paperwork forced onto people who don't put themselves into a position that requires its use.

Ultimately really though, this's upto the players as individuals. It's not really much of an issue to enough players to actually actively enforce anything about this, in addition to it rarely happening. I'd say, just do as you said earlier and just set your spawn to cryo if you want to avoid it on the rare occasion where it does occur.

What if you're just randomly getting paperwork forced on you by an asshole superior? When I was playing as Lockie, several times Vittorio assigned my character to take a complete inventory of the medbay. Now it was not specified whether they meant the entire medbay or simply the storage room, but this was twice, and this was without anyone trying to steal anything. And he kept bothering me, repeatedly, about filling out a form, even after someone attempted to murder my character.

Like it's rather important to talk about whether or not it's a good idea for people to go about implementing this much paperwork. I think we should have a discussion n]on this, because I personally don't see why we're focusing on making the game so mundane. For all that Skull complains about realism holding us down, all I've seen as problematic is excessive mundanity. This is not asking "What would a future society realistically be like?". It's saying "What is a modern 2015 work environment like?" then copy-pasting it into a futuristic setting with a few 'future-looking' bits tacked over it.

Genetic engineering. Cybernetics. Transhumanism. Computer technology. AI. Many other things which are realistic to have in a futuristic setting, technologies which are developed in the modern day. Instead we have a bizarre pseudo-futuristic setting where people drive their space cars to work at their space office, at their space 9-to-5. We do not think deeply about what the setting should be like. Instead, we free ourselves of the terrible restrictions of realism, thus giving us the freedom to... copy paste the most mundane elements of modern life into the setting.

I simply do not understand this bizarre double standard at work here in regards to what is considered 'too realistic'. Like we're willing to sacrifice realism to make the game intentionally more boring, because that is 'central to suspension of disbelief' or whatever, but at the same time realism is condemned? What do admins actually mean when they say "realism is a problem?" Because I'm receiving some serious mixed signals here.

Actually It was 4 shifts, And it took so long for you to do it