Unban Request

[Dimitri Zhukov]

Ckey: DreggMorris

Character name: Winston Wolf

Duration of ban:

4320 minutes at time of writing. 

Time of writing: 20.12.2019.y

Time of ban applied 18:57:56.

Reason for ban:  there should be an image attached.

 

Reason for appeal are as follows:
Without a doubt,I believe that Aurora is the current best server in hub. It isn't the code that makes it good,nor the atmosphere,nor the game modes,neither of all these things. It's the players that make it fun,both for me and I'm certain for plenty others.

I've very often had this feeling of whether I should leave the server,and with each note I received,I kept thinking "God,am I ruining this player's experience?". 

I'm talking about genuine good players. Players who can make a good scenario without a god damn whitelist. A simple visitor who makes the whole shift enjoyable. And although I get into a ruckus with the admins sometimes,I understand their side as well. They owe us nothing. And although the ban is short,it takes over all my weekend,which means I won't be able to enjoy it all the way until the next weekend.

Now,let's talk about the reason I was banned. And I'll go into detail.

 

I was a bartender that shift,first time ever. I saw there was another bartender,and I thought,it'd be a good way to learn. So,I made a character,gave him a good name "Winston Wolf". And I was off. I got into the bar,and saw it's a fucked up place already. I made a joke about it.

I greeted the bartender,and sadly soon he was off,saying he needed to do something. I said fine,and said good luck.

There was a small incident which I will apologize for,this engineer was fixing our lights,but he went over our table to which I said "Get the fuck out" without looking at context. Sorry random engineer.

As the shift went on,I met this Skrell alien,I'm not sure which species exactly. 

They asked for a drink,to which I answered,with approval. I gave them watermelon juice. I had the small doubt in my head,that some drinks are toxic for aliens,but I didn't go deeper into it. The skrell was unhappy,and asked for an alcoholic beverage. I don't quite remember,but I think I said something about toxins,and they also told me ethanol is poisonous to them. I gave them whiskey with ice. And they went on to make a big scene. I actually believed that whiskey wasn't toxic,because the bartender,who was I believe present at that moment,said something in my defense. Anyway,they kept on bragging,insulting, and mind you,I'm not innocent. I also made some poor insults. I threw the bottle which they wanted into disposals,because,that's how my character felt,frustrated.

Another patron came in,I asked kindly this time what they wanted,and I searched the wiki for the recipe,but they started to meddle into this incident. Starting to call me a dumb bartender who should learn recipes for xeno species. Perhaps they're right,but would this require an OOcly intervention? Anyhow,I defended myself,and kept myself tolerant,trying to make their drink. 

They kept going on,even when the person in question,left. Then I told them to fuck off. To just get out of the bar. When they refused,I called security. Me and the second dude(skrell,f) continued to argue over the radio,despite being in clear sight of each other. HoS came,then detective(Jesse,surprisingly) and it was over. I was sad,again,i might have ruined someone's gameplay. Really,it's hard with constant thinking of that kind. So I made xeno-tolerant drinks. And I made some for humans as well. I noticed some were taken,but they must've been ha-

BWOINK

The admin in question,shestrying,asked me neutrally,coldly, along the lines "Are you really playing a xenophobic character?".

Again,I will say that admins really need to say why they PM-ed you,what they expect from you,and what you should expect from them. I first asked does xenophobic mean racism to aliens,to which they simply said "Yes".

I answered with a no,and answered the situation,with them throwing some interrupting remarks with "Whiskey is poisonous to them." With one of my PMs being "And in short,Aurora is not a happy place for new starting roles".

They answered, "Whiskey is toxic to aliens". And that's it. No further answer. I genuinely did not understand what I did that was exactly forbidden. They did not mention the rules broken,nor what I did that can be considered rule 1.

And,I got frustrated. First the incident,then the meddling incident,then this. I told them something along the lines "Look,did you PM me just to tell me that? I've started out a new role,first interaction sucked,do you need to throw in salt?".

And then it hit them,they had the attitude excuse,and like every admin,they booked it,and they booked it hard.

They told me to chill my attitude out,and to which I answered that I did not have an attitude,that I simply wanted a clear and proper answer as to why I was PM-ed. I didn't manage to answer I believe,as I had to go talk to my father over the phone.  I was banned while I returned,in a matter of 2 minutes. And now I am writing this to you,dear admins.

Again,I both understand you and sympathize with all of you. Cnaym,who I believe is a good admin,even when he is incapable of helping,I appreciate him. Prate,an admin who I made a post about,I still appreciate,because they still try to be better then they were previously. I appreciate all of you,but you need to be more informative on your first PM.

"Hello,could we talk a bit? This is about your character,is he a xenophobic player? As,it isn't quite allowed due to rule number one. If you could please not do that,that would be wonderful. And if you're not trying to play a xenophobic player,then please understand that other players are human beings as  well,try to make them a good rp scenario." I'm guessing this is what they wanted me to understand,but simply saying.

"Hey can we have a moment" "Are you playing a xenophobic player?" "Yes" "Whiskey is a toxic beverage" "Whiskey is a toxic beverage" "Whiskey is toxic to them". Is far,far and very far less detailed and informative. 

I did not swear to them,insult them nor generally swear and complain as much as they say. Stop lying about what I did.

Damn,this is long. I won't apologize to the admin in question,but I will say I appreciate all admin's work. I'll leave this request up to you admins.

 

Edited December 20, 2019 by Dimitri Zhukov

[ShesTrying]

Hi there! You're right-- playing xenophobic characters is not inherently bad. In fact, once I'd determined that it was only xenophobic behaviour, and not self-antagonistic, I was going to close your ticket, no harm done whatsoever. It's important to note that I did not ban you because of your actions-- I banned you because of your attitude OOCly. Admins and moderators are voulenteers. It is not tolerated behaviour to salt or complain or insult in tickets. You had accumulated far too many notes in a short period of time without any real action that you, a player, can take note of-- and now you can. 

The ticket actualy did start out as you suggested-- I'll post the logs so we can both refer to them as the ban appeal moves forwards.

I want you to understand that attitude in tickets is not acceptable. You are expected to be cordial in tickets, and work with server staff as we do our due dilligence. The only reason you were contacted was for clarification, which you then made worse of your own volition.

[Dimitri Zhukov]

I would like to first talk about the reason you PM-ed me. You said you wanted to be certain I was not being self-antagonistic. Alright,that is perfectly fine. But how about instead of saying this:
"Hey got a sec" "whiskey has ethanol in it" "any typical human drinks contain ethanol" and then just stop giving information as to WHY you PM-ed me.

you say this in the first PM: "Hello,I'm sorry to disturb your round,I'd simply like to know if you're trying to be self-antagonistic. Are you attempting to play a xenophobic player?".

This single message gave me more information than all of your PMs. And me trying to be self-antagging?

Perfectly IC related,without any self-antagging(Are you going to PM everyone who had a clash with some other player?). I explained what happened in my first post,so people won't take it without context. It'd be preferable if you sent the logs as well.

 

Now,as for my attitude.

"It is not tolerated behaviour to salt or complain or insult in tickets." I have not once in my messages gave you or another admin both directly nor indirectly a insult. I have not sworn at you. I simply pointed out how you,can't make it clear and simple of what is expected both from you and from me. I realized only now that you wanted to know if I was self-antagging. You're volunteers,capable of removing players from the game. Don't use the excuse so lightly. I sympathize with the admins and moderators,but I do not pity them.

 

 "You are expected to be cordial in tickets, and work with server staff as we do our due dilligence". Although the end of the sentence is hard to understand,I think I get the gist of it,and although I agree,I think you should also be informative,and easily understood in your few first PMs.

And my warnings and notifications?

I completely understood why I received a specific warning,and did learn from each warning. And even though I did make a post with an issue between Prate and me,I still didn't stop appreciating what the admins do. And is it up to you,to bring up previous warnings and notes from the past,into a completely different issue.

Again,I did not have an attitude in my messages,I did not insult you,nor another admin. I did not throw any swears at you,and I'd appreciate if you'd stop lying about me cursing and insulting you.

[ShesTrying]

If you read the logs, you swore. You came out of nowhere complaining about the fact you were bwoinked. I gave you information about the drinks ans as I was about to tell you to enjoy the round you, of your own volition, came out of nowhere asking if you were going to be permabanned.

Your warnings and notifications are your own responsibility to remember and acgknowledge. You cannot join the game without looking at your warnings, and as such not knowing about them is not an exvuse to continue poor behaviour, and you have at least two warnings about poor attitude/arguments in tickets and ooc, with both players and staff. 

I'm sorry you didn't like the way I handled the ticket, but the end result came because of a month-and-a-half long trend of you exhibiting a poor attitude in LOOC and tickets. Please stop lying in your boldtext statements, it's not very hard to dismantle them.

 

Appeal denied.  Wait out the three days and clean up your attitude in tickets.

[Dimitri Zhukov]

Alright,since you're so determined to keep lying about me swearing or cursing at you,please quote me in which specific message I either insulted,or cursed at you. 

I didn't complain about me being bwoinked. Quote me when I did.

And if you gave me a bwoink simply to tell me some information about the drinks,then you should have done so in the first message. I genuinely thought that what I did was wrong,and was about to receive a ban.

And I did acknowledge both my warnings and tickets,which I mentioned many times in my posts,and have not once used them as an excuse,do you even read my posts thoroughly? 

Next,how do my previous issues relate to this incident? You shouldn't bring up previous tickets,bans etc. into a issue that is being handled. I've seen this being brought up by admins and players in complaints,and unban requests.

"But the end result came because of a month-and-a-half long trend of you exhibiting a poor attitude in looc and tickets".

Does this mean I was banned for my tickets? If so,who are you exactly to decide if I will be banned due to my warnings? I myself believe it's up to the judgement of the last admin who gave me the ticket if I should be banned or not. 

Again,I did not swear at you,I did not give you any insult,nor any other admin. Quote me when I did.

I'm also rather confused,I believe the admin who gave me the ban,ticket or warning,can not handle or choose the final decision on whether my unban request,warning or ticket removal will be accepted. If it's so,then it's a broken system,a admin or mod will be simply able to abuse this. Banning and then refusing the request to unban. 

[ShesTrying]

If you have an issue with my ruling, you can make a staff complaint.