Erik Tiber Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) BYOND Key: Erik Tiber Staff BYOND Key: Dea_Tactica, 1138, Rusty Sh4ckleford, Reason for complaint: Hostile work environment Evidence/logs/etc: Currently in the lore chat. As I was removed, I no longer have access to these logs. If anyone with access would like to look through that chat, feel free. Tablespoon can corroborate the manner in which I gave in my resignation. Additional remarks: EDIT: I've resolved things with Rusty via PM, there's no hard feelings between us at all. On January 18 at around 7:00 pm Central Standard Time, I had a rather unpleasant experience in the Lore Team chat. You see, I happened to notice a skype notification in the upper right corner of my screen. I've normally just ignored these, since I am not too good at that whole 'staying in touch' thing, but this time, something caught my attention. They were taking about me in the lore chat, apparently. So I opened the skype call and was greeted by Delta 38 claiming that I had asked Skull to help with exogenesis code, claiming that I had lied on the OOC channel, and then saying that it "was pathetic." I was rather taken aback. I did not know why people were so hostile over this. I looked through the logs, people were talking about how very horrible it was that I had 'hidden' my coding experience, that I had not volunteered it to help Aurora, even though I was not experienced with Byond code, even though I have no obligation to volunteer to code for Aurora (That's why it's called volunteering), and acting if I were somehow double-crossing the server and as if this were some great deception on my part. So I decided to say some thing or other in an attempt to clarify. Nobody acknowledged my message in the chat and they tried to immediately change the subject, not even bothering to address me. I said a few more things, I honestly don't remember what the specific words were. Then, Rusty Shackleford decides to be the first person in the lore chat to acknowledge my existence. He asks "Why does Erik still have access to this channel? Didn't he quit?" He refused to even acknowledge me in the first person. He instead referred to me in the third person, This was especially hurtful because Rusty had never indicated that he had a problem with me. Neither had Dea, who decided to join in on the 'fun' and complain about what a terrible person I was. That was what especially hurt. So I decided to notify them that I would be leaving the lore chat, in an attempt to appease them. I was trembling and quite frankly shocked. So I went to Tablespoon and handed in my resignation as well as a lengthy apology. Below are the logs of my resignation. Tablespoon can corroborate this. January 18 me 7:49 PM I've repeatedly wasted your time, did not deliver on numerous promises especially with the Skrell, have failed to maintain regular communication, and simply procrastinated on returning to the lore chat for an entire month. I have also had repeated problems with cooperating with others and listening to their feedback Under the circumstances, I'd like to resign from the lore team. Given my inactivity, I should have either chosen to resign or remain active in Aurora much earlier. I apologize for the inconvenience. 7:50 PM My userpage on the wiki does contain some random stuff about Skrell which might or might not be of use, in case you want to check that out. 7:54 PM Under the circumstances, I should probably be removed from the lore team chats. 7:55 PM I'd just like to make clear that I'll still be playing on Aurora. However, I have not handled this whole business with Exogenesis well. I'd like to apologize for that as well. message has been removed. 7:59 PM ...It may be a bit late to ask this, but do I file the resignation here or on the forums? Ben 8:28 PM there is no place to file the resignation just tell me and you can make an announcement on your own, if you want, in the general forums I personally have no issue with you, it's just you've been really hard to reach me 8:39 PM Yeah, sorry about that. I bit off way more than I could chew. In the meantime, I do hope the lore team continues doing well. I really hope this whole 'working with exogenesis' thing doesn't leave any poor feelings. I wasn't initially planning on leaving, but in light of recent circumstances (namely the fact that I've not done anything in weeks), I think it'd be good for me to take a hiatus from the team at the very least. Once I get a handle on school I might reapply. This message has been removed. 8:40 PM ...Whoops. Anyway, best wishes and all that. I'll make a thread on the forum. Ben 9:11 PM ok 9:12 PM I can remove you from the lore chat me 9:12 PM Thanks. Of course, later that very same night, Delta has the balls to ask me to help him with Skrell lore. Which, I oblige. Because I really did not want to have another argument. Because the last time I was completely blindsided and on the verge of tears because people who I thought were my friends, or at least acquaintances, were saying I was pathetic, refusing to even acknowledge my existence, flat out ignoring everything I said and simply taking up another subject, not even showing any reaction at all to what I wrote, refusing to even address me in the first person. Past this point I don't care too much about 'revenge' and I never plan on returning to the lore team. This post is primarily for the purpose of informing others. If anyone would like to own up to what they did, feel free, but I'm not overly inclined to believe them ,given their history of dishonesty. And if they choose not to, then I hope this post will serve as a warning to anyone with the misfortune of working alongside these people in the future. I originally wished to simply be on the lore team for Aurora and Exogenesis. I did not have any intention of somehow betraying Aurora. I did not have any hatred towards these people. I thought that we were at least something close to friends, since I had invested a lot of time into the team. So when someone who I thought liked me treats me like a subhuman, it hurts. Edited March 19, 2015 by Guest Link to comment
Rusty Shackleford Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) The only reason I referred to you in the third person was because I wasn't aware of you being online at the time. And sorry if you took offense to me asking why you were still in the lorechat. I didn't really mean to insinuate that you should have been removed, but was rather inquiring as to whether or not you had actually resigned. Because, you're right, I never had a problem with you. Edited March 19, 2015 by Guest Link to comment
Erik Tiber Posted March 19, 2015 Author Share Posted March 19, 2015 The only reason I referred to you in the third person was because I wasn't aware of you being online at the time. And sorry if you took offense to me asking why you were still in the lorechat. I didn't really mean to insinuate that you should have been removed, but was rather inquiring as to whether or not you had actually resigned. Because, you're right, I never had a problem with you. And I perfectly understood the "unproductiveness", as it were, becaus I'm the same way. I'm not sure why you would be unsure if I was online at the time, given that I was actively posting in the chat. I did clarify immediately after. I was posting my clarification in the chat. Nobody addressed my posts. Nobody responded to me. Nobody even acknowledged that I had typed anything into the chat. Link to comment
Rusty Shackleford Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I'm an oblivious person most of the time. Anyone who has known me for five minutes could probably see that. Sorry if you took offense. Link to comment
Erik Tiber Posted March 19, 2015 Author Share Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) I'm an oblivious person most of the time. Anyone who has known me for five minutes could probably see that. Sorry if you took offense. I was posting repeatedly in the channel. You asked why I still had access to the channel. This is more than just a bit unobservant, given that I was the very subject of the discussion and was repeatedly trying to reply to the blatant lies which were being spread. And given your particular timing, this seems like one hell of a coincidence. Given the general tone of the discussion, with people calling me pathetic, color me unimpressed. And the anger was over my association with Exogenesis. Edited March 19, 2015 by Guest Link to comment
Rusty Shackleford Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Well, sorry anyway, for what it's worth. Link to comment
Erik Tiber Posted March 19, 2015 Author Share Posted March 19, 2015 Well, sorry anyway, for what it's worth. Why am I supposed to take your apology seriously? Are you sorry I made the thread or sorry for actually doing this? Given the circumstances, I am not at all inclined to believe that this was simply a mistake. Given my repeated posting in the topic, and given me being the very person whom the discussion was about. And you just 'happening' to remember that I still had access to the channel right after I had posted inside it. That's an awfully tough pill to swallow. Do note I'm not the one with logs here, you are, so you have every motivation in the world right now to lie to cover your own ass, since without logs it's just my word against three others. Until, of course, somebody in the chat would come and retrieve logs, but seriously, the very people I'm reporting are the very same people with access to those logs. EDIT: Given recent developments, I'm a bit more inclined to give Rusty the benefit of the doubt. Or even forgive him. However, there is no way I am going to extend anything resembling that to Delta, given him calling me pathetic one second and then asking me for help only a few hours later, completely ignoring what happened, never apologizing despite repeated contact. If for some reason my posts simply did not go through, then he went behind my back and is a two-faced liar. And if my posts did go through, then he has an awful lot of balls spewing that garbage about me, then asking me, utterly nonchalantly, to help him, by elaborating upon the work that I had done. And then, later, asking me if I wanted to rejoin the lore team. Either scenario does not paint a good picture of Delta whatsoever. Link to comment
Guest Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 This was a long time ago, and I'm a bit surprised to see this brought up again. Given what I had heard from some people I know from Exogenesis, you didn't exactly have very nice things to say about the staff or community here either. I had a hard drive corruption since then, so I would have to refer to my contacts again to retrieve the logs. I didn't care that you moved onto a new horizon. I cared that you went out of your way to call us shit right after you resigned. But, you know what, I didn't let that stop me because we had a productive chat on how to improve a piece of lore. And I thank you for being civilized in that instance. You wanna talk about 'betrayal?' You wanna talk about a hostile environment? Because we had a chat in OOC about CMD not a few days ago where I gave my input on the matter where you, quote unquote said, "Are you fucking for real, Delta? Are you serious? Ahahaha!" If you wanna talk about being felt like being treated like a subhuman, perhaps you should practice what you preach, too. But, hey. I don't really care about the hypocrisies and miscommunication and utterly pointless arguments at this point. It was an argument that got out of hand and lost focus and meaning. And, you know what. I don't see the point in anyone owning up to anything. Things were done, words were said, nothing is going to change that. No amount of "I'm sorry" is going to repair that rift. Link to comment
Dea Tacita Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 yes, I did ignore you as I was personally quite displeased with how the situation unfolded, and about logs from several people of you talking about Aurora and its lore team specifically being "shitty". I ignored you simply because as many people can testify to, I can get VERY unpleasant when I'm emotional, and I was indeed emotional at that time. However, I don't recall making fun of you, mocking you or otherwise doing anything inappropriate. Either way, that situation was thoroughly unpleasant for everyone involved, and if I did say something that I don't remember (which is a distinct possibility) I apologize, I have no disdain for you as a person, nor as a former lore-dev. This whole situation was bleh, at best. Addendum: Spell my name right you scrub Link to comment
Johnny Mnemonic Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 This was a long time ago, and I'm a bit surprised to see this brought up again. Given what I had heard from some people I know from Exogenesis, you didn't exactly have very nice things to say about the staff or community here either. I had a hard drive corruption since then, so I would have to refer to my contacts again to retrieve the logs. I didn't care that you moved onto a new horizon. I cared that you went out of your way to call us shit right after you resigned. But, you know what, I didn't let that stop me because we had a productive chat on how to improve a piece of lore. And I thank you for being civilized in that instance. You wanna talk about 'betrayal?' You wanna talk about a hostile environment? Because we had a chat in OOC about CMD not a few days ago where I gave my input on the matter where you, quote unquote said, "Are you fucking for real, Delta? Are you serious? Ahahaha!" If you wanna talk about being felt like being treated like a subhuman, perhaps you should practice what you preach, too. But, hey. I don't really care about the hypocrisies and miscommunication and utterly pointless arguments at this point. It was an argument that got out of hand and lost focus and meaning. And, you know what. I don't see the point in anyone owning up to anything. Things were done, words were said, nothing is going to change that. No amount of "I'm sorry" is going to repair that rift. i remember that CMD ooc chat. And i remember OOC being muted twice because of it. However what i don't remember is Erik personally insulting you. He said your stance was ridiculous and current CMD is dumb, and you agreed it was, but "ss13 is just a game". He didn't call you pathetic and ignore you. i can't be the only one that sees a difference there also does this mean you're owning up to what you did to Erik? instead of responding to his points about you, you instead opted for essentially; "you also did a thing, so that makes my thing justified". Which i don't think is right Link to comment
Erik Tiber Posted March 19, 2015 Author Share Posted March 19, 2015 I've resolved the case with Rusty, there's no hard feelings between me and him at all. Will reply to Delta later. yes, I did ignore you as I was personally quite displeased with how the situation unfolded, and about logs from several people of you talking about Aurora and its lore team specifically being "shitty". I ignored you simply because as many people can testify to, I can get VERY unpleasant when I'm emotional, and I was indeed emotional at that time. However, I don't recall making fun of you, mocking you or otherwise doing anything inappropriate. Either way, that situation was thoroughly unpleasant for everyone involved, and if I did say something that I don't remember (which is a distinct possibility) I apologize, I have no disdain for you as a person, nor as a former lore-dev. This whole situation was bleh, at best. I don't have a particularly good memory of what you said, so I don't feel confident in arguing this point. And you're right, that was an assholish move of mine. Is that channel still open and is there any particular way for us to get logs? Those would seriously help a lot in putting this to rest. Link to comment
Chaznoodles Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 What happened to Aurora's community. This is absolutely horrible to read. Nobody should be being treated like this in any way, ever, no matter what. Link to comment
Guest Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 i remember that CMD ooc chat. And i remember OOC being muted twice because of it. However what i don't remember is Erik personally insulting you. He said your stance was ridiculous and current CMD is dumb, and you agreed it was, but "ss13 is just a game". He didn't call you pathetic and ignore you. i can't be the only one that sees a difference there also does this mean you're owning up to what you did to Erik? instead of responding to his points about you, you instead opted for essentially; "you also did a thing, so that makes my thing justified". Which i don't think is right I gave an explanation as to why the current guidelines were in place, not necessarily because I believed it. Erik likely mistook that as my actual belief and decided to be belligerent and he insulted me for explaining it. No, I opted for the fact that everyone does awful things and that we're all human. 0/10, would not make the same decision to shit-talk again. And it's pointless to say "I'm sorry" about this when it's very clear that it was a decision that I made that could not be corrected nor wiped from the slate. Because I've said "I'm sorry" far too many times that I feel pathetic for every single time for even saying it. When the word "sorry" exits your mouth enough times, it eventually starts losing its validity. What I said before was a mistake. I take full responsibility and accept any further consequences that may be inflicted upon my person after this complaint is resolved. Link to comment
Guest Marlon Phoenix Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Two named in this complaint are no longer members of the lore team, and the third has apologized to Erik's apparent(?) satisfaction. While it happened before my becoming loremaster, I still apologize that it happened in the first place. I didn't speak out as I should have. I hope this doesn't leave a sour taste in your mouth. At the very least, be assured that it won't be happening again. Link to comment
Erik Tiber Posted April 4, 2015 Author Share Posted April 4, 2015 Two named in this complaint are no longer members of the lore team, and the third has apologized to Erik's apparent(?) satisfaction. While it happened before my becoming loremaster, I still apologize that it happened in the first place. I didn't speak out as I should have. I hope this doesn't leave a sour taste in your mouth. At the very least, be assured that it won't be happening again. Could an admin close this? This is resolved. Link to comment
Guest Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Will reply to Delta later. When is this happening, out of curiosity? Link to comment
Erik Tiber Posted April 4, 2015 Author Share Posted April 4, 2015 Will reply to Delta later. When is this happening, out of curiosity? Now. (editing) Link to comment
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