Staff Complaint - Skull132

[MrGabol100]

BYOND Key: MrGabol100
Staff BYOND Key: Skull132
Game ID: null
Reason for complaint: Complaint closed without a chance to address new points brought forward.
Evidence/logs/etc: 

Additional remarks:

While the original post was made so I can atone for past mistakes, apologise and return to the community as a changed member, cross-banning someone over a joke is not only egregious but also without foundation (There are no physical rules that strictly outlaw jokes about breaking a rule, just as there are no punishments for thinking about crime in real life). Besides that, I feel like Garnascus' outburst further reinforces the belief I have that this is a personal matter rather than an intervention of actual rule-breaking. 

https://aurorastation.org/rules.html

Here is a list of your own rules, please read them and point out to me where it says that JOKING about a rulebreak is a bannable offense, if an offense at all. While at it, I would like to request previous bans that relate to players being banned over joking about breaking rules.

I don't believe there is current ruling from past bans, and therefore I don't see why it's so harshly enforced upon me, as I don't find that this is a case from a pure administrative standard but more so from personal belief in the matter. As provided, and as I have previously stated upon the matter, that the outburst purely enforces completely in my belief that I be unjustly targeted for a joke I made quite awhile ago, along with the extended period of time that I have spent awhile from the server.

This is clearly an attack on my person along with the fact that this ban was applied three years ago.

Edited February 4, 2021 by MrGabol100

[Alberyk]

The decision was made by the host and the other heads of staff, not only Garnascus. I am unsure what proof there is that any of us has any kind of grudge against you.

And the rules do support that, the first one in fact. Now for some historical context, people did doxx and try to swat the old cm host. While we do not support or protect whatever apophis was doing, doxxing and swatting is pretty much illegal. Internet mob justice is not something right. And you were indeed banned for being part of a group that were at least planning/trying to. Now saying it was a joke is indeed hardly a defense here, because at the time it was not a joke to anyone involved in this due to all the drama it caused. Lets also consider that much of your argument changed from you not being involved in this at all to it being a joke when we did have a proof that the involvement happened.

[MrGabol100]

35 minutes ago, Alberyk said:

The decision was made by the host and the other head of staff, not only Garnascus. I am unsure what proof there is that any of us has any kind of grudge against you.

And the rules do support that, the first one in fact. Now for some historical context, people did doxx and try to swat the old cm host. While we do not support or protect whatever apophis was doing, doxxing and swatting is pretty much illegal. Internet mob justice is not something right. And you were indeed banned for being part of a group that were at least planning/trying to. Now saying it was a joke is indeed hardly a defense here, because at the time it was not a joke to anyone involved in this due to all the drama it caused. Lets also consider that much of your argument changed from you not being involved in this at all to it being a joke when we did have a proof that the involvement happened.

If people did doxx and try to SWAT him, I was never involved with those actions. I have never brought up what Apophis has or hasn't done because I genuinely don't care.

I was indeed banned for supposedly belonging to a group that according to you (Unlike you claim, at no point have I singled out a member of the staff regarding the ban decision, and my "you"s are a generalization of the Aurora staff against which I hold no ill-will)  planned or attempted to carry out a SWATting action against him. 

As for the point that my argument changed, I started my ban appeal with the hazy memory that I joked about this subject and that I didn't at any point involvement with actual illegal actions. I haven't backed out, I have ommitted information that I knew you had not to take a step in false because I did not have the screenshots and logs that you had, and as such I addressed each picture as it came up, which you tried to use against me to somehow prove that I belonged to a "group" involved with illegal actions. This was never the case, as there was no such group. These pictures were from a public discord and the people I spoke with were just other random people from the SS13 community who were equally disgruntled with Apophis' actions. Yet there was never an organized threat against Apophis that I know of and all my statements were purely made in jest.

You're trying to strongly push what my intent and my thoughts was at the time, with being a third person to this joke that I made, as such, you wouldn't have context nor the understanding that I had as I wrote it. There was NEVER action taken or the INTENT of taking action through illegal means, which is to say I was never involved.

If you do so strong-heartedly believe that I've done something illegal in the past I invite you to pursue legal action against me. In the case that you do understand that this wouldn't possibly hold in court as 1. It didn't take place and 2. There was never an intent, I suggest that you drop my ban as it originally was applied as a cross-ban for taking part in illegal activities, which you cannot prove the intent of.

My argument hasn't changed, the thing that has changed from your part was my ban motive. As multiple times you've half-ackowledged the fact that I was at no point making a threat yet you've gone off to say how I should stay banned for making a distateful joke (in a different server). While the original ban reason was for suppossed illegal actions.

Keeping me banned would mean that you still genuinely believe I have participated in illegal actions, which I deny. And if you don't believe I have, yet you still wish to keep me banned then you would be actively changing the reasoning behind the ban as to lock me out.

If you can't prove that I've done anything illegal, then I suggest you retract your claims.

Edited February 4, 2021 by MrGabol100

[MrGabol100]

Furthermore, here's a few articles regarding actual law and not videogame forum law regarding my defense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_threat

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/232775142.pdf

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/394/705/

[Arrow768]

You can make a staff complaint to get a ban reviewed and you can make a staff complaint to get that decision reviewed.
The option to make staff complaints ends there. (As otherwise one could try to make a staff complaint over every follow up decision that does not go in their favor)

Therefore closing this topic without further action.

[MrGabol100]

5 minutes ago, Arrow768 said:

You can make a staff complaint to get a ban reviewed and you can make a staff complaint to get that decision reviewed.
The option to make staff complaints ends there. (As otherwise one could try to make a staff complaint over every follow up decision that does not go in their favor)

Therefore closing this topic without further action.

May I see where it says that my right to contest a decision is limited?

I've been accused of taking part in illegal activities, which is a rather preposterous claim. I'd rather you not silence me without addressing my arguments.

It would seem to me that you're trying to avoid refuting them objectively out of stubborness.

I know you're never going to concede no matter how much I argument my defense, but you could at least try to hide the fact that you don't have a case against me instead of shutting me out.

Edited February 4, 2021 by MrGabol100

[Arrow768]

5 minutes ago, MrGabol100 said:

May I see where it says that my right to contest a decision is limited?

It is established practice that we never found the need to write down specifically as it is very rare that someone tries to make a staff complaint over a staff complaint.
Accounting for all possible eventualities in our rules would just cause needless bloat.

As a closing note:
This is a private server/community, so we have the capability to choose the people we want to have in our community.
A decision has been made that we do not want you in our community for engaging in jokes about doxxing/swatting people and possibly the actual activity of doxxing/swatting people.