nodnodnod Posted March 18, 2021 Posted March 18, 2021 BYOND Key: NodNodNodStaff BYOND Key: alberykGame ID: Unknown, probably unimportant, timestamp in screenshot.Reason for complaint: Overzealous use of 'warning'Evidence/logs/etc: See attached images.Additional remarks: Huivn was playing a mercenary that was part of some Zheng-Hu bio-team or something, because it was that awful roundtype of mercenary + borers. One of the borers made the decision to be very obvious very early in the round, and it became obvious we had an issue with several borers on the station. Round progresses decently along, some scuffles, some slug kills, et cetera, until the ZH team starts talking about kidnapping a slugged member of ISD instead of letting them get the surgery done. Obviously, ISD is not on board with this, and we all move to medical to prevent the abduction and to get the surgery complete. I'm standing in the OR with another officer while a doctor tries to operate on the one that is slugged when Huivn's merc comes in, stating once to "Move." The reply given was, "No." His reply to that was to pull a gun and start pointblank magdumping with lethals. Despite being shot in the head many times, I survive (ultimately pointlessly) and he gets disarmed by another officer. Seeing as he has no gun and knows he has 'lost', he elects to detonate a TTV in medical, blowing up myself, the other officer, the slugged officer, two members of the merc team, himself, and I believe two doctors - effectively ruining the round. His response when called out for it can be seen in one of the attached images, to which I replied with the 'offending comment'. I maintain that the action was incredibly stupid and his reasoning provided more-so, since he elaborated that "he wasn't going to let the slug survive at any cost"... when we were destroying the slugs in the first place, and he had previously stated he wanted the slug to survive anyway. Naturally, due to his flip-flopping on his explanation, I invoked the use of the word 'mong'. Maybe it wasn't nice, but it certainly wasn't a clusterbomb insult and hardly worthy of an actual warning. I have little doubt I can find instances of actual toxic behavior, or more severe insults getting no warning, and I do believe consulting my notes will reveal that I seldom insult players on an OOC level (if I ever even have, but I've been here for too long to remember all the inane dumb stuff that happens).
Alberyk Posted March 18, 2021 Posted March 18, 2021 Let me explain why I gave you this warning: Quote 362512021-02-22 01:22:12 alberyk Had a talk about saying faggot in character Now, if this did not happen, I would not have applied this warning. I looked into your behavior in deadchat and it was pretty much a pointless pissfight. I applied the warning because I felt that you were taking too many liberties with how you were talking with people in-game. Take in consideration that you just came back around last month or so, you are not playing here constantly.
nodnodnod Posted March 18, 2021 Author Posted March 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, Alberyk said: Let me explain why I gave you this warning: Now, if this did not happen, I would not have applied this warning. I looked into your behavior in deadchat and it was pretty much a pointless pissfight. I applied the warning because I felt that you were taking too many liberties with how you were talking with people in-game. Take in consideration that you just came back around last month or so, you are not playing here constantly. An in-character insult with no OOC malice, and when told that IC insults of that type aren't permitted, I haven't done it again. It is important to differentiate IC and OOC.
Alberyk Posted March 18, 2021 Posted March 18, 2021 Just now, nodnodnod said: An in-character insult with no OOC malice, and when told that IC insults of that type aren't permitted, I haven't done it again. It is important to differentiate IC and OOC. Warnings don't really require prior similar offenses to be applied. I might even argue that ooc behavior is more grave than ic behavior, and deserve a warning instead of a note. Now, why I think that the note matters? Because you just decided to yell a out of place slur to offend someone in character. Which like I said, fits that you were just not thinking or caring about what you did in regards to whatever you said in the server.
nodnodnod Posted March 18, 2021 Author Posted March 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Alberyk said: Warnings don't really require prior similar offenses to be applied. I might even argue that ooc behavior is more grave than ic behavior, and deserve a warning instead of a note. Now, why I think that the note matters? Because you just decided to yell a out of place slur to offend someone in character. Which like I said, fits that you were just not thinking or caring about what you did in regards to whatever you said in the server. I'm not really sure what point you're attempting to make here, nor why you're publicizing other notes that are almost entirely unrelated. There was no intentionally ill OOC behavior prior - what it was was me simply assuming that IC insults were just -that-. IC insults. If poor OOC behavior constitutes calling someone a mong when they suicide bomb everyone, I can almost certainly find worse incidents from others that had gotten no punishment whatsoever. So, again, I'm not really sure what you're saying here. That I had a character that used homophobic insults? I changed the character to comply with server rules, no issue, no complaints, even apologized about it. Regardless of all of that, I still feel the warning was heavy-handed and overzealously applied, and would like the incident reviewed by other staff members that aren't involved in the situation.
Alberyk Posted March 18, 2021 Posted March 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, nodnodnod said: I'm not really sure what point you're attempting to make here, nor why you're publicizing other notes that are almost entirely unrelated. There was no intentionally ill OOC behavior prior - what it was was me simply assuming that IC insults were just -that-. IC insults. If poor OOC behavior constitutes calling someone a mong when they suicide bomb everyone, I can almost certainly find worse incidents from others that had gotten no punishment whatsoever. I explained how it is related. If you had no notes last month, I would likely just put a note instead of a warning. You don't need to have a note related to the same kind of conduct to warrant a warning. And if someone is breaking the server rules, feel free to ahelp or make a complaint. Just because someone got away with doing something, it does not means that we can't punish when people bring issues to our attention. 4 minutes ago, nodnodnod said: So, again, I'm not really sure what you're saying here. That I had a character that used homophobic insults? I changed the character to comply with server rules, no issue, no complaints, even apologized about it. Yes, I never said you did not fix it, but you still did, which is why the note is here. I pointed out that just yelling out of place slurs kinda fits the theme of saying whatever you think it is fit without thinking if it is proper or not, which is what you did in dsay. 15 minutes ago, nodnodnod said: Regardless of all of that, I still feel the warning was heavy-handed and overzealously applied, and would like the incident reviewed by other staff members that aren't involved in the situation. Other staff will handle this complaint.
nodnodnod Posted March 19, 2021 Author Posted March 19, 2021 Upon further review (thanks to Discord brits), I've learned that apparently mong means someone with Down's syndrome. I've only ever heard it used to call people stupid or dumb, and genuinely didn't know that. Regardless, I'll leave the appeal of the decision up, and admit that I inadvertently used a slur without realizing it. My bad on that one! TIL.
Garnascus Posted March 19, 2021 Posted March 19, 2021 Quote 23:29:48.807] SAY: Ghost/kimbabwe1 : he did instantly start resist spamming you know [23:29:57.193] SAY: Ghost/kimbabwe1 : you think that allows me to talk to him [23:30:09.753] SAY: Ghost/kimbabwe1 : btw two borers stuck in maint lol [23:30:36.968] SAY: Ghost/kimbabwe1 : and yeah I tried to talk to people [23:30:51.940] SAY: Ghost/kimbabwe1 : but that didnt go well [23:30:59.489] SAY: Ghost/kimbabwe1 : so I tried more direct but wow do they suck [23:31:21.748] SAY: Ghost/kimbabwe1 : is instantly killing yourself after taking control really the only way [23:32:20.287] SAY: Ghost/kimbabwe1 : I will just disable borer for now because hmm [23:35:44.859] SAY: Ghost/kimbabwe1 : gotta get that valid hmm [23:37:05.814] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : wh [23:37:09.812] SAY: Ghost/firstact : amazing meme [23:37:10.198] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : what the fuck just happened [23:37:14.667] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : uh [23:37:15.234] SAY: Ghost/potato1234 : Jeebus [23:37:17.696] SAY: Ghost/Gentlemanly Headcrab : what the fuck [23:37:18.904] SAY: Ghost/gabopwn : what the fuck just hhappened [23:37:19.372] SAY: Ghost/potato1234 : Thats a big fucking hole [23:37:22.583] SAY: Ghost/firstact : slow clap [23:37:25.356] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : what the fuck just happened [23:37:30.893] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : that wasn't me [23:37:33.257] SAY: Ghost/Gentlemanly Headcrab : I think one of the mercs had a suicide bomb [23:37:41.513] SAY: Ghost/Gentlemanly Headcrab : nice [23:37:41.634] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : oh [23:37:43.330] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : welp [23:37:57.767] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : rest of us didn't know about that [23:37:59.348] SAY: Ghost/potato1234 : Its always medical.. [23:38:18.134] SAY: Ghost/firstact : why is it always the wordless suicide bombing in /medical/ [23:38:26.162] SAY: Ghost/firstact : what makes that so appealing to antags [23:38:31.670] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : well [23:38:35.400] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : to be fair this was more that like [23:38:47.026] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : a gunfight erupted in medical and a bomb was used [23:38:52.351] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : still fucked that they suicide bombed tho [23:39:30.915] SAY: Ghost/nodnodnod : >asked to move, say no, get magdumped with lethals [23:39:37.724] SAY: Ghost/nodnodnod : yeah, no, buddy. [23:39:47.394] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : so uh [23:39:50.399] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : the fuck just happened [23:39:53.926] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : yeah idk who the fuck bombed [23:39:59.422] SAY: Ghost/gabopwn : merc ttv [23:40:01.640] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : it was the other zheng guy [23:40:01.926] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : rest of us didn't know about a suicide bomb?? [23:40:02.021] SAY: Ghost/nodnodnod : one of the antags suicide bombed after he magumped me [23:40:06.180] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : christ [23:40:16.388] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : I robusted him and I guess he just said "fuck this round" [23:40:26.254] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : fucked up [23:40:31.640] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : bruh [23:40:41.058] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : why'd you suicide bomb [23:40:44.415] SAY: Ghost/nodnodnod : Yeah. Wanna explain that one, or you gonna remain silent? [23:40:51.841] SAY: Ghost/gabopwn : mhaps [23:40:54.404] SAY: Ghost/gabopwn : perhaps, even [23:40:58.324] SAY: Ghost/gabopwn : an ahelp may be wise [23:41:05.241] SAY: Ghost/nodnodnod : Oh, it was ahelped already. [23:41:07.986] SAY: Ghost/firstact : even if its shitty dont harass them over it. keep it to yourself [23:41:10.187] SAY: Ghost/gabopwn : ah, okay [23:41:11.005] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : you pumped up kicks medical despite a fight not really even starting [23:41:13.690] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : then ttv'd [23:41:25.708] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : you were going to lose, so you decided to ruin the round [23:41:26.706] SAY: Ghost/nodnodnod : You forced a fight by magdumping me for not moving. [23:41:28.177] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : sounds about right [23:41:33.946] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : yo deliverer, there were 2 other ZH mercs still up and fighting [23:41:34.052] SAY: Ghost/nodnodnod : And then play the victim. [23:41:37.975] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : i mean [23:41:39.581] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : to be fair [23:41:53.552] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : I mean, yeah, round is pretty much fucked now [23:41:55.090] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : security were also not complying, it's not a one-sided fight here [23:41:58.247] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : buuuuut yeah [23:42:03.512] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : round's a bit fucked after that [23:42:07.539] SAY: Ghost/nodnodnod : Nah. That was real shit. [23:42:14.259] SAY: Ghost/nodnodnod : And I rarely, if ever, ahelp antags. [23:42:15.708] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : I know, but suicide bombing the OR's and killing half of medical isn't really good escalation for an infection disagreement [23:42:17.516] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : think dr mercy's still working on keeping it spicy tho [23:42:24.469] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : Dr Mercy is based [23:42:25.273] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : yeah no doubt @rooster [23:42:40.000] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : I assume someone already ahelped so I wont bother [23:42:44.783] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : yeah someone ahelped [23:43:19.340] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : ...wait [23:43:21.626] SAY: Ghost/nodnodnod : "We have suicide pills, so that means I'm allowed to be a mong" [23:43:27.369] SAY: Ghost/nodnodnod : Thanks for that one. [23:43:48.881] SAY: Ghost/nodnodnod : No, you're just an idiot. [23:43:50.770] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : being a merc is not justification for wanton terrorist bombing believe it or not [23:43:51.194] SAY: Ghost/nodnodnod : Which is fine. [23:44:00.390] SAY: Ghost/Lorilili : if you already ahelped it insulting eachother in dsay wont accomplish shit [23:44:06.954] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : true [23:44:12.391] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : not trying to be insulting but that was just [23:44:13.781] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : really [23:44:15.846] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : not cool [23:45:05.639] SAY: Ghost/gabopwn : im going to say that not alot of people know that merc ttvs are maxcaps by default [23:45:22.204] SAY: Ghost/nodnodnod : Doesn't even matter. The gimmick isn't a merc death squad. [23:45:22.543] SAY: Ghost/gabopwn : and have the ability to flatten an entire department [23:45:29.324] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : yo captain kinda based tho [23:45:35.467] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : yeah deliverer [23:45:38.193] SAY: Ghost/gabopwn : merc ttvs are max caps [23:45:39.233] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : that is why medical is a crater now yes [23:45:43.641] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : merc ttvs are maxcaps by default here [23:45:49.893] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : nope [23:45:51.663] SAY: Ghost/gabopwn : its the same as bay [23:45:53.238] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : that was a genocide brick [23:45:59.762] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : yeah [23:46:07.168] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : ttvs are only used when shit is REALLY fucked [23:46:07.483] SAY: Ghost/firstact : im more surprised it didnt gib half the room [23:46:09.937] SAY: Ghost/gabopwn : it pierced all 4 z levels of the station [23:46:23.505] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : captain here's kinda based tho [23:46:24.474] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : It blew the walls off OR2 then sent me flying into OR2's walls [23:46:33.651] SAY: Ghost/memescopemcgee : helping the ZH mercs activate the nuke to contain the infestation [23:46:50.200] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : I hate the nuke so much [23:47:33.580] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : Im boutta go make some hamburger helper to drown my sorrows [23:49:05.600] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : marryam gon die [23:49:23.827] SAY: Ghost/nodnodnod : most definitely [23:50:02.244] SAY: Ghost/desven : i couldve fucking be saved but i was not administered pneumalin even though i pleaded [23:50:15.234] SAY: Ghost/gabopwn : o [23:50:21.431] SAY: Ghost/gabopwn : pneumalin autoinhalers [23:50:33.161] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : tf is bennett doing\ [23:50:37.674] SAY: Ghost/gabopwn : gaming [23:50:43.344] SAY: Ghost/desven : i had the inhaler with me [23:50:51.776] SAY: Ghost/peppermint96 : She is dead, comrrrrades [23:50:58.527] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : f [23:51:16.320] SAY: Ghost/peppermint96 : Honestly, fuck the borer who was just trying to get me to kill myself lol. Idk what that was about [23:51:18.433] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : how did marryam even die? Was she next to the babomb? [23:51:27.515] SAY: Ghost/peppermint96 : Yeah, astro turf shit [23:51:31.438] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : wild [23:51:38.327] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : I got blown THROUGH the wall into OR2 [23:51:44.003] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : somehow didnt get gibbed [23:51:54.532] SAY: Ghost/peppermint96 : Like, no RP, nothing, just took over and tried to stuff me down a disposal chute three or four times in a row [23:52:02.185] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : sounds about right [23:52:08.384] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : the best part is them complaining in LOOC after [23:52:13.532] SAY: Ghost/peppermint96 : Right??? [23:52:32.932] SAY: Ghost/roostercat12 : anywho, im gon make some food before next round [23:52:38.605] SAY: Ghost/peppermint96 : Laters [23:56:05.682] SAY: Ghost/desven : ok so what exploded in med [23:56:11.679] SAY: Ghost/desven : i was there and i have no idea what happened [23:56:49.931] SAY: Ghost/nodnodnod : someone decided that they'd go for frags [23:56:52.894] SAY: Ghost/nodnodnod : is the TLDR [23:57:00.072] SAY: Ghost/peppermint96 : What started that fight? [23:57:26.381] SAY: Ghost/nodnodnod : ord told me to move, i said no, so he just whipped out a gun and started magdumping PB with lethals [23:57:29.933] SAY: Ghost/Huivn : holy fucking shit. Yeah, this is way more damage than I intended [23:57:36.767] SAY: Ghost/peppermint96 : Nice [23:57:44.949] SAY: Ghost/peppermint96 : And yeah lol, the implants are crazy strong [23:57:45.923] SAY: Ghost/nodnodnod : ah that's the ckey [23:58:03.979] SAY: Ghost/Huivn : Well, why would you bodyblock me? [23:58:33.719] SAY: Ghost/peppermint96 : I feel like the escalation was fine. They were within their rights to fight us at that point [23:59:21.985] SAY: Ghost/melariara : That's a bug and a half [23:59:25.625] SAY: Ghost/Huivn : I was honestly expecting like a 5x5 or something, not half of fucking medbay gone Here are the logs. Courtesy of geeve's logifier. I did a search for everything with the Ghost/ prefix as that is how our dead chat logs are labeled in the logs. I cant see to find the second screenshot you linked but i can see your response to it? Not really sure why that is the case.
nodnodnod Posted March 19, 2021 Author Posted March 19, 2021 I have no idea why it's not popping up, but it was definitely said. There must be something wrong with the logifier. Regardless, they flip-flopped and gave conflicting reasonings for suicide bombing to the point I felt like they were full of manure, and were simply saying anything they could to justify maxcapping everyone in an epic gamer moment. There was a decent bit of confusion about why he would even suicide bomb and kill his own squad too - really, a lot of confusion all around about motivations. Enough that "we have cyanide pills" wasn't a very good reasoning, and I took the bait and called it out and got rather peeved with the flippant, nonchalant attitude about it.
nodnodnod Posted March 19, 2021 Author Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Garnascus said: Here are the logs. Courtesy of geeve's logifier. I did a search for everything with the Ghost/ prefix as that is how our dead chat logs are labeled in the logs. I cant see to find the second screenshot you linked but i can see your response to it? Not really sure why that is the case. Would the ghost/ prefix not attach if someone was in their corpse while talking, maybe?
Garnascus Posted March 19, 2021 Posted March 19, 2021 Doesn't look like it. I cant even find it by searching for key words of the logs, lmao. Its fine, its not relevant the issue and i can just assume it was said. I would still say your words here where kinda mean. Definitely something I would drop a warning for or other staff would. I am sure people exist that have said worse and did not get warned. We are not omniscient and sometimes no one ahelps and we do not notice it being said.
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