[Resolved] Staff Complaint - WickedCybs

[nodnodnod]

BYOND Key: NodNodNod
Staff BYOND Key: WickedCybs
Game ID: cd0-ahYk
Reason for complaint: Causing an issue when there wasn't one / inflammatory accusations
Evidence/logs/etc: Logs as follows, for your convenience

[02:48:25] wickedcybs -> nodnodnod: Man

[02:48:33] nodnodnod -> wickedcybs: Hm?

[02:48:42] wickedcybs -> nodnodnod: You really ran past a dying person, dived down and grabbed that laser rifle?

[02:48:48] nodnodnod -> wickedcybs: I didn't see them?

[02:49:00] wickedcybs -> nodnodnod: they were right in front of you

[02:49:06] nodnodnod -> wickedcybs: I.. literally don't see them.

[02:49:21] nodnodnod -> wickedcybs: Am I blind? Where?

[02:49:26] wickedcybs -> nodnodnod: Not only were they in front of you, they were in your logs while you were up there man

[02:49:40] wickedcybs -> nodnodnod: Like, eh. At least you didn't ignore them on purpose then.

[02:49:40] nodnodnod -> wickedcybs: wtf are you talking about I didn't see anything

[02:50:01] nodnodnod -> wickedcybs: I can show you my logs on my end, there's NOTHING, nobody

[02:52:50] wickedcybs -> nodnodnod: Okay all I can really say in this case is to like, really. You were getting red logs too of the dragging doing damage. You know grabbing them prevents that right?

[02:53:10] nodnodnod -> wickedcybs: I'm not going to talk to you about this in the middle of it. PM me later.

[02:53:19] wickedcybs -> nodnodnod: Message me when you're free, yes.

[02:55:02] nodnodnod -> wickedcybs: I will say, if you're going to insinuate that I somehow knew there was a fucking gun on the cooler and ran out to it and just ignored a person dying, you're a terrible moderator. It's a dark maintenance shaft and the air was pushing everyone and everything around. I have no log on my end of anything when I ran by them. I pulled them at first to get them out of an airless area, which will kill more quickly than the brute. So, let's hash this out: what's the problem?

[02:55:53] wickedcybs -> nodnodnod: No that wasn't what I was insuinating at all, please pay attention.

[02:56:14] wickedcybs -> nodnodnod: The timeline as I saw it was, you ran in, ran past the officer as they were gasping. It's fair that you didn't pay attention to that considering like I said.

[02:56:38] wickedcybs -> nodnodnod: You went down one level, you run out and grab the levle. You start running around with it.

[02:56:53] nodnodnod -> wickedcybs: PM -> [Moderator PM] WickedCybs: You really ran past a dying person, dived down and grabbed that laser rifle?

[02:57:05] wickedcybs -> nodnodnod: I said you grabbed that laser rifle yes

[02:57:11] nodnodnod -> wickedcybs: Well, yes, I picked it up and RAN AROUND LOOKING FOR THE PERSON.

[02:57:17] wickedcybs -> nodnodnod: If you're taking that as me saying you knew it was there, I do not know what to tell you.

[02:57:27] nodnodnod -> wickedcybs: Then why are you accusing or telling me anything?

[02:58:09] wickedcybs -> nodnodnod: Because how that appeared was pretty easily a bad look. I'm following up on what I'm being told.

[02:58:16] wickedcybs -> nodnodnod: I already acknowledged you didn't ignore them on purpose then.

[02:59:00] wickedcybs -> nodnodnod: Pulling to get them out of an airless area was fine, then you continued to doing it and I counted a lot of drag damage to the point you expedited their death.

[02:59:12] wickedcybs -> nodnodnod: So what I'm saying is, just be more careful with that.

[02:59:33] nodnodnod -> wickedcybs: You're fucking nitpicking minor things. I want a different moderator to handle this. Or one of the admins.

[02:59:55] wickedcybs -> nodnodnod: You don't get to admin shop. If you have an issue with how I handled i, make a complaint against me on the fourm please.

[03:01:16] nodnodnod -> wickedcybs: I'm not admin shopping. You're literally nitpicking an IC issue from an OOC perspective of someone being dragged an extra six tiles.

[03:01:58] wickedcybs -> nodnodnod: Admin shopping is when you try to get someone else to handle the ticket, you're making an issue where there is none here.

[03:02:51] wickedcybs -> nodnodnod: I'll be noting that. Again. If you feel strongly about it, make a staff complaint and somoene else will review this.

[03:03:12] nodnodnod -> wickedcybs: I'm not dealing with you since you're trying to make this into some issue that isn't even in existence. You can note everything you want on your little mod panel.

[03:03:24] nodnodnod -> wickedcybs: What is the round ID?

[03:03:36] wickedcybs -> nodnodnod: You can check that in the status bar.

[03:03:52] nodnodnod -> wickedcybs: Thanks, you can close the ticket now if you're done.

Additional remarks:

I'm playing Chief Engineer. It's a shitshow of a round. Every synth is rogue. There's someone bombing the station. Someone shot someone with a rocket launcher. Engineering is understaffed, and I'm running across the station constantly putting fires out. Near the end of the round, there was a callout that an officer got spaced by one of the rogue borgs on the engineering cooling array. I go down, and I didn't see someone in a dark maintenance tunnel, and was bwoinked by a bored mod that declared I was intentionally ditching a dying person to run down to the area they were reported to be to look for them. They then insinuate I ditched them to go after shiny loot. I deny it. I go on to tell them that bothering me right in the middle of time-sensitive issues isn't working, though since they died right about that exact time, it didn't actually matter anymore and I gave up trying to keep track of command / engineering / alarms / general / the rogue robots / the rogue AI / the distress beacon and just focused entirely on the bwoink, even going so far as to give up on playing in the round any further and cryo in the middle of the crisis. Am I peeved at this point? In the words of Walter White, "You're goddamn right." Instead of backtracking and dropping the issue, he doubles down on an IC issue of me dragging the person out of the airless area for the speed of it, which to his credit he acknowledges, but then he nitpicks that I kept doing it, and as far as I can tell, I only caused two more instances of pull damage because, again, I'm shuffling a hundred things and now a hundred and one with a moderator PMing me in the middle of it. The funny part about all of this? If he didn't bwoink me, I would've gone back up the ladder more quickly instead of spending so long on the solar array and Sokolova PROBABLY would've survived - but I digress. The screenshots below show the damage. They show the player in question was cool and understanding of it, knowing that sometimes you miss stuff. Attached as well are the logs of where WickedCybs claims I saw them. I didn't. I'm not sure if it's incompetency or the logs just aren't functioning right.

WickedCybs displayed minimal tact as a moderator in leaping straight to an accusation of something, and I'm willing to bet it wasn't even adminhelped, but I can't confirm or deny that. WickedCybs contradicted themselves in the conversation, denying they insinuated I just ignored a critical person for epic laser rifle loot (because that's what I fucking want as a CE) ([02:48:42] wickedcybs -> nodnodnod: You really ran past a dying person, dived down and grabbed that laser rifle?, [02:49:00] wickedcybs -> nodnodnod: they were right in front of you, [02:49:26] wickedcybs -> nodnodnod: Not only were they in front of you, they were in your logs while you were up there man)

Honestly, it's turning into a ramble at this point, so I'm going to cut it short: I did literally nothing wrong, the player that was apparently wronged didn't seem to feel they were wronged, and all that came of it was WickedCybs making an issue of nothing, telling me I can't admin shop when I want to talk to someone else about the issue, and telling me like some clipboard-wielding safety-patrol that sees someone running at the pool, "I'll be noting that!" Are you trying to be inflammatory? Are ya' trying to peeve someone? It's working.

Bluntly put, very shitty to take a shit on someone dealing with a shitshow of a round.

Edited September 24, 2021 by Faris

[nodnodnod]

Almost forgot.

Shittalking it in msay and leaking it in dead chat on accident is very epic, though, and totally doesn't aggravate the situation more.

[WickedCybs]

It was ahelped yes,. When I took the ticket, which mentioned you ignored a dying officer and grabbed the rifle I acted immediately and that is what I saw in the moment. I'm also not sure why you think that I'd assume you somehow knew about the gun at all and beelined for it? You were obviously responding to the venting and it was on another level so you wouldn't have seen the officer with it, but it was still notable enough that you grabbed it. The circumstances and the info I had up until that point did make it perplexing, and the officer was constantly making automatic pain emotes which ultimately made me think you just weren't paying attention. It's fair to not have not directly noticed them, considering how an officer in armour and dark maintenance blends in. They did catch my eye instantly though, as did you running over them while they were in front of you. They even had a speech bubble up at one point I think, but hard to see, yes.

Regarding the dragging, Fair to do it when you need to move quickly as I stated. Once you were to safety you kept doing it. It happened more than the two times you claim. We can even count nine instances of the drag damage happening in your own logs that you posted, and I'm fairly certain there was even more. I continued by speaking to you about this, because like I said. I wanted you to be careful about stuff like that for the future. The damage from dragging is actually fairly major and massive. I get it's probably not something people might consider in the moment, but it avoids further issues down the line and I have experience with people just genuinely not knowing they can drag someone in a way that doesn't kill them further. At that point I also really began to think you were tunnel visioning and not noticing the log.

All in all though, the exchange highlighted a more pressing issue with you and it became my main focus rather than the situation in engineering. How you approach these tickets. You have multiple notes and an expired warning about your poor behavior in OOC channels and with staff. It's to the point where you're directly attacking the person speaking to you and I have to wonder why you think anyone would leave it be at that point once you made it the case? While I can get the indignation over how I came in swinging (I believe I should have waited until you went back up), you did yourself no favors. You continue to not do yourself any favors with how vitriolic these posts are. Your warning didn't end up being a ban because I do think even the most positive people just get seriously angry sometimes and I didn't really hold it against you there.

58 minutes ago, nodnodnod said:

Almost forgot.

Shittalking it in msay and leaking it in dead chat on accident is very epic, though, and totally doesn't aggravate the situation more.

We do in fact discuss things in msay, but it wasn't really shit-talking like you assume. I took a look at your history after the exchange and asked for some thoughts about if a warning would suffice since my gut feelings are always to be a little lenient. Read was quoting parts of what you said to highlight to me that I should be considering a ban instead.

Edited September 22, 2021 by WickedCybs
minor addition

[Faris]

I’ll be handling this.

[nodnodnod]

Upgrade it to a ban if you feel it's warranted. My complaints stand.

You dove into it without even taking a minute to watch and see how it would end.
You were accusatory and not helping the situation in a shitshow of a round. It was an absolute shitshow of a round. Code red, beacons, breaches, rogue synths, traitors. You name it. It happened.

You nitpicked purely IC issues from an OOC standpoint (By God, the Chief Engineer dragged someone? A crime against sapient life everywhere. How dare someone not make the perfect move in-character by carefully grabbing and moving them around.) Yes, by that point, I was entirely tunnel-visioned on them, someone saying they were dead, me telling them they weren't, then fumbling with getting them up a ladder.

The only way I can interpret this whole situation of your involvement was, I wasn't playing the game like you would have.

God fucking forbid I try to contribute to the in-game environment with other players and give people things to work with, a character to interact with in a command position, etc.

I get easily frustrated. I limit my frustration as best I can. I'm more than happy to admit I'm not infallible, which is more than a lot of people probably do.

Edit: As you can see in my copy of the logs, I didn't see ANY of the pain emotes. None. Not a single one.

Edited September 22, 2021 by nodnodnod
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[Faris]

Do you have a copy of the logs leading up to the first PM by Cybs? 

[nodnodnod]

I do not. The third picture with the CMO PDAing me shows me hacking through the janitor's closet to get to the cooling array more quickly, because that's how fast I was trying to get there to save the person that I understood to be in space still - not up on the level above it. I believe almost immediately after the PDA message was when the first PM came.

[Faris]

Hopefully this will address everything in this complaint, if not bring it up as a reply and I'll address it.

1- The leak in deadchat in this case was not @ReadThisNamePlz attempting to trash talk you. They were quoting something you said in the tickets as part of a discussion they had with other staff online at the time.

2- Whether something is ahelped or not tends to not be relevant. Staff are free to pursue things both reactively and proactively.

3- I feel like the manner in which Cybs approached you over the matter was not appropriate. It is reasonable to be upset or annoyed by it and I've already spoken to @WickedCybs about it. I don't think it was inherently malicious as Cybs has already acknowledged the issues before being approached by anyone, but it was still improper. 

4- Your conduct in the ticket was not acceptable. Lashing out in the manner you did is something we do not tolerate. Community members are prone to mistakes, players and staff alike, and taking an inflammatory stance only makes things worse. Cybs would have been in the right to have applied a ban for it, but in understanding the issue and the mistakes on their part, they applied a lesser staff action than what is advised for us to do when escalating actions. I'm not using the prospect of a ban as a threat, applying bans is not something we enjoy doing, as at the end of the day we'd all like to enjoy the community together. It would be a genuine shame to lose you, so please try to show more restraint in the future. 

 

I'll give this thread 48 hours before marking it as resolved.

[Faris]

Locking and archiving.