Player Complaint - Eva Meier, Clark Coldsmith

[Ublicto]

BYOND Key: Ublicto
Game ID: cps-azWj
Player Byond Key/Character name:

Eva Meier - ckey unknown
Clark Coldsmith - ckey unknown

Staff involved: None, I did not ahelp it during the round.
Reason for complaint: 

Unfair and arbitrary security play.

While I was an antagonist this round, the only thing I had done is buy a voice changer and pretend to be the Dominian Emperor and Chairman of Pluto over the radio. They had no proof this was me, or reason to suspect me however. They also never discovered the gas mask in my bag was the voice changer to my knowledge, and that would not have justified arresting my character in the way they did. While I am aware they intercepted messages between me and one of the other antagonists on our PDA, this in no way would have been enough to reasonably arrest my character or suspect them of a crime. Furthermore, when I was arrested off they would not tell me what specifically I was charged with and then tried to use a hardsuit that had been brought in to the security desk that I was holding at the time they arrested me as evidence against me. This was very plainly absurd. They would not give me specific charges when pressed - the most specific thing they said was that my prints were somewhere on deck three I believe, which I doubt because the only antagonist items other than my own I had touched was some bugs and a box that I ensured stayed in the antagonists hands and should not have left the brig, much less incriminated myself some how.

 

Essentially my complaint charges both investigator players with;

-metagaming to profile my character as an antag because I play antag relatively frequently compared to other players.

-bad security play for essentially arresting me for no reason and refusing to explain charges. I understand if some of this was IC animosity towards my character, but I was standing there trying to explain to them that me holding a coalition hardsuit that was turned in is not evidence of a crime nor is talking to a criminal once during the shift. The head of security was prepared to let me go after I made a show of helping them deal with a prison break, but these two investigators continued to accuse me of crimes in a way that made me think I was being singled out in an OOC way.

 

While this is by no means an incredibly major round ruining issue, it was very annoying at the time and basically cut me off from doing anything antag related near the end of the round for no reason including continuing my radio prank call gimmick.

Did you attempt to adminhelp the issue at the time? If so, what was the known action taken by administration/moderation? Not applicable.
Approximate Date/Time: 8/24/23 at about 1:00 EST

 

 

[CampinKiller]

Me and @Loorey will be handling this.

First would like to get @Ricky_the_banshee and @DrPockets side of the story

[Ricky_the_banshee]

Hi there, I'll try to be as abridged and descriptive as possible on the events on my own personal account of how things happened.

I was a latejoin with Eva Meier within the 1 hour mark, when I heard reports of a supposed diplomatic incident, as well as reports of two state leaders conversing over comms and being supposedly mad a "Chernov" (there were 2 and the messages had me lost on which one was mentioned)  had allegedly said something that sparked outrage in the Emperor of Dominia to the point that the Plutonian party chairman had to chime in afterwards and ask around for this individual. it was a bit absurd, and even in comms there was some allusions that it could be some local radio station taking the piss out of the shuttle. Overall, it didn't seem like many took it as serious so it was whatever.

However, as time went on, we received reports of infiltration occuring on the bridge by a Skrell janitor, as long as a tip that a device referred to as a "power sink" was being deployed elsewhere. Eva went to take a look at the D1 substation next to the staircase to find two engineers atop of a restrained G2, who immediately confessed they were being ordered to by same Skrell to commit these acts on their behalf, and also provided information of a secure channel that was being deployed by the men to keep taps on each other. 

Leonides, the commander at the time, was also present and a theory was quickly developed that a conspiracy was being conducted on the ship by crew members. Security was quick to find out that Sarrj the Tech Support was going around giving heavy sums of money, and while this initially wasn't that suspicious (since assumptions were made that Sarrj simply had the means compensate people as someone of nobility, even though he technically is not nobility as he's expressed many times), it was later on revealed he had made contact with some of the perp's and was likely part of the conspiracy as well.

Moving on to the point where things escalated with Sarrj, which also inavertedly led to the point where Elwood Johnson became a suspect. Security was requesting assistance from the warden at the brig to manage it, and Elwood was being quiet. At first its whatever, because sometimes things get delayed or lost in the flood of messages. Admittedly, the sec radio was quite a mess and people had to repeatedly ask for their orders or specifics because everytime they did it would be drowned out by other officers asking similar questions. Moving back to what got Johnson on our sights was the fact that after a couple of requests, he finally responded with a clarification of his absence on being that he was in the bathrooms, which is fine. However, what clued in that something was amiss was that the voice-overs abruptly cut off upon the moment the Commander issued a quite heavy-handed order as his presence was needed in the brig. This abrupt cut-off was also accentuated with an audible emote over comms. Eva made sure to contact Rammstein over PDA, as radi communications at the time were such a mess, expressing her confusion about Johnson, to which even Rammstein noted having some distrust brewing towards his warden, aka Johnson. 

I was being told that Johnson was going to get frisked and checked by security, so I went back upstairs to run forensics on items that were found in the crew lounge (hidden in potted plants) when an officer came upstairs and literally told us the man pushed someone aside (dunno if they resist walked into someone or actually used resist push) and then allegedly bolted away which only incriminated him further in Eva's eyes. Bare in mind, at the time I was going to run read the print-out of the items i had recovered from the crew lounge. This didn't pinpoint anything prior, but it looked like the commander had already made up his mind about distrusting Johnson.  Eva was also informed that Johnson allegedly had a Vulture suit on him as he was "fleeing", hence why the comments about him running off with a Vulture suit became so present among the security staff. 

After that happened, Martinez returned to the forensics lab to hand us the wristbound belonging to Johnson, which revealed that he too had established contact with Sarrj and met up with them in the crew lounge area at some point. Forensics at the bathrooms near D3 initially gave the same impression as prints and fibers were found belonging to both Sarrj and Johnson which was now being handled as evidence that they at some point could have crossed paths.

The intent was to eventually interrogate him as well, but at the time the round turned out to be ending (Too much was happening to even recall a crew transfer vote having happened tbh), and at the time Eva and Clark confronted him about this their minds were made up that he had reportedly ran off before with the Vulture, only to come return seemingly with no hostile intent to downplay his actions. This was at least the reason mostly why Eva had her disruptor aimed at him, and mostly saw his intent mostly as faux to make himself appear less involved. At the time, nobody had told investigations that Johnson was to be ignored or let go off. All, atl east from Eva's perspective, she knew was that there was a dead IPC on the floor, and Johnson was there at the scene once more. He did state that he assisted security, but at the time she had no reason to trust him still as it was just his word as a suspect.

I believe most of the call-outs later and the limited response aside from a quippy"Sol bad" remark was due to after the fact shenanigans with Sarrj who was being apprehended, only to result into a fight against his psionic duplicates (which nobody knew was the result of psionics at the time.), so at that time Eva was mostly fed up and focused on finding out more clues on what Sarrj was up to, hence the tunnel diving. The charges were being put down on him by the commander and an officer (who notably had to ask several times what they were as they had not much of a clue either, again likely due to the chaotic communications over seccom.) Eva continued looking for anything else related to the Conspiracy case, while earlier on she asked Coldsmith if they could handle interrogations. The actual arrest and processing happened in the middle of crew transfer, so there may have no been enough time after the sec officer handling the processing did not seem to know what charges to apply on Johnson, which only delayed the process.

 

 

All and all, I cannot speak at all for what prompted Clark Coldsmith's personal actions nor shed alot of light on @DrPockets's choices on how Coldsmith should react. HOWEVER, what I will say is that whatever he based off of the case was largely based on information that Eva had uncovered as well. I believe most of the responsibilities or whatever decision is being made should be directed at ME alone.

 

Granted, I do not think I overstepped my boundaries as a player, and made sure that Eva's responses were entirely based on information provided within the round. Granted, I will admit that communications was a mess, and I've done little to contribute to fixing that problem for the team as a whole, instead having Eva simply directly message people to get things done since it seemed like the more likely method for her to get a message across, hence why she PDA'd Leonides.

 

I also want to address the suspicions of OOC singling out as well. By NO means were any of the decisions made in-game based off of OOC information, nor was it an attack on you OOCly as a player.

I hope this clarifies everything from my perspective, but if more information is required, I'll try and offer as much as I can. o7

 

[Ublicto]

1 hour ago, Ricky_the_banshee said:

Hi there, I'll try to be as abridged and descriptive as possible on the events on my own personal account of how things happened.

I was a latejoin with Eva Meier within the 1 hour mark, when I heard reports of a supposed diplomatic incident, as well as reports of two state leaders conversing over comms and being supposedly mad a "Chernov" (there were 2 and the messages had me lost on which one was mentioned)  had allegedly said something that sparked outrage in the Emperor of Dominia to the point that the Plutonian party chairman had to chime in afterwards and ask around for this individual. it was a bit absurd, and even in comms there was some allusions that it could be some local radio station taking the piss out of the shuttle. Overall, it didn't seem like many took it as serious so it was whatever.

However, as time went on, we received reports of infiltration occuring on the bridge by a Skrell janitor, as long as a tip that a device referred to as a "power sink" was being deployed elsewhere. Eva went to take a look at the D1 substation next to the staircase to find two engineers atop of a restrained G2, who immediately confessed they were being ordered to by same Skrell to commit these acts on their behalf, and also provided information of a secure channel that was being deployed by the men to keep taps on each other. 

Leonides, the commander at the time, was also present and a theory was quickly developed that a conspiracy was being conducted on the ship by crew members. Security was quick to find out that Sarrj the Tech Support was going around giving heavy sums of money, and while this initially wasn't that suspicious (since assumptions were made that Sarrj simply had the means compensate people as someone of nobility, even though he technically is not nobility as he's expressed many times), it was later on revealed he had made contact with some of the perp's and was likely part of the conspiracy as well.

Moving on to the point where things escalated with Sarrj, which also inavertedly led to the point where Elwood Johnson became a suspect. Security was requesting assistance from the warden at the brig to manage it, and Elwood was being quiet. At first its whatever, because sometimes things get delayed or lost in the flood of messages. Admittedly, the sec radio was quite a mess and people had to repeatedly ask for their orders or specifics because everytime they did it would be drowned out by other officers asking similar questions. Moving back to what got Johnson on our sights was the fact that after a couple of requests, he finally responded with a clarification of his absence on being that he was in the bathrooms, which is fine. However, what clued in that something was amiss was that the voice-overs abruptly cut off upon the moment the Commander issued a quite heavy-handed order as his presence was needed in the brig. This abrupt cut-off was also accentuated with an audible emote over comms. Eva made sure to contact Rammstein over PDA, as radi communications at the time were such a mess, expressing her confusion about Johnson, to which even Rammstein noted having some distrust brewing towards his warden, aka Johnson. 

I was being told that Johnson was going to get frisked and checked by security, so I went back upstairs to run forensics on items that were found in the crew lounge (hidden in potted plants) when an officer came upstairs and literally told us the man pushed someone aside (dunno if they resist walked into someone or actually used resist push) and then allegedly bolted away which only incriminated him further in Eva's eyes. Bare in mind, at the time I was going to run read the print-out of the items i had recovered from the crew lounge. This didn't pinpoint anything prior, but it looked like the commander had already made up his mind about distrusting Johnson.  Eva was also informed that Johnson allegedly had a Vulture suit on him as he was "fleeing", hence why the comments about him running off with a Vulture suit became so present among the security staff. 

After that happened, Martinez returned to the forensics lab to hand us the wristbound belonging to Johnson, which revealed that he too had established contact with Sarrj and met up with them in the crew lounge area at some point. Forensics at the bathrooms near D3 initially gave the same impression as prints and fibers were found belonging to both Sarrj and Johnson which was now being handled as evidence that they at some point could have crossed paths.

The intent was to eventually interrogate him as well, but at the time the round turned out to be ending (Too much was happening to even recall a crew transfer vote having happened tbh), and at the time Eva and Clark confronted him about this their minds were made up that he had reportedly ran off before with the Vulture, only to come return seemingly with no hostile intent to downplay his actions. This was at least the reason mostly why Eva had her disruptor aimed at him, and mostly saw his intent mostly as faux to make himself appear less involved. At the time, nobody had told investigations that Johnson was to be ignored or let go off. All, atl east from Eva's perspective, she knew was that there was a dead IPC on the floor, and Johnson was there at the scene once more. He did state that he assisted security, but at the time she had no reason to trust him still as it was just his word as a suspect.

I believe most of the call-outs later and the limited response aside from a quippy"Sol bad" remark was due to after the fact shenanigans with Sarrj who was being apprehended, only to result into a fight against his psionic duplicates (which nobody knew was the result of psionics at the time.), so at that time Eva was mostly fed up and focused on finding out more clues on what Sarrj was up to, hence the tunnel diving. The charges were being put down on him by the commander and an officer (who notably had to ask several times what they were as they had not much of a clue either, again likely due to the chaotic communications over seccom.) Eva continued looking for anything else related to the Conspiracy case, while earlier on she asked Coldsmith if they could handle interrogations. The actual arrest and processing happened in the middle of crew transfer, so there may have no been enough time after the sec officer handling the processing did not seem to know what charges to apply on Johnson, which only delayed the process.

 

 

All and all, I cannot speak at all for what prompted Clark Coldsmith's personal actions nor shed alot of light on @DrPockets's choices on how Coldsmith should react. HOWEVER, what I will say is that whatever he based off of the case was largely based on information that Eva had uncovered as well. I believe most of the responsibilities or whatever decision is being made should be directed at ME alone.

 

Granted, I do not think I overstepped my boundaries as a player, and made sure that Eva's responses were entirely based on information provided within the round. Granted, I will admit that communications was a mess, and I've done little to contribute to fixing that problem for the team as a whole, instead having Eva simply directly message people to get things done since it seemed like the more likely method for her to get a message across, hence why she PDA'd Leonides.

 

I also want to address the suspicions of OOC singling out as well. By NO means were any of the decisions made in-game based off of OOC information, nor was it an attack on you OOCly as a player.

I hope this clarifies everything from my perspective, but if more information is required, I'll try and offer as much as I can. o7

 

From what you say a lot of it might be a legitimate misinterpretation of events caused by a chaotic round. I think though that in two situations you gave me an unfair deal. For example, when you saw me on the third deck and asked why I was there, I said I was in the bathrooms near the stairs. My running to the brig should not have made you suspicious of me, and neither should have our encounter downstairs when there was the destroyed robot. I had already been searched, the head of security and multiple officers had witnessed the robot self-destruct, and furthermore the head of security had said on the radio that I had tried to stop the fleeing prisoners.

At the time I had not been suspected of a crime. Even if the voice changing gas mask in my bag had been identified I would have been held for hooliganism at best - hardly deserving of a prison sentence. Even if I had cooperated with Sarrj, which I did not, at the time I think holding me would have been unwarranted because there was no evidence I had done anything criminal. I had said over the radio several times that there was no reason for me to want to steal a vulture suit and my resistance to being arrested was asking for my charges to be read out and backing away from the people hitting me with a baton, which is generally a realistic thing for a character to do if they're being struck by a stun weapon designed to cause pain.

 

In general the root of the remaining issues you have not explained is assuming criminal intent where there was no evidence to suggest that. From my perspective it seemed like I had a number of arbitrary and large charges being piled on me - I think at one point an officer or the head of security remarked that others were stacking unnecessary charges on me. Were you recommending I be charged to the HoS by PDA, or were you receiving distorted information from the rest of security and then relaying that upwards?

[Ricky_the_banshee]

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From what you say a lot of it might be a legitimate misinterpretation of events caused by a chaotic round. I think though that in two situations you gave me an unfair deal. For example, when you saw me on the third deck and asked why I was there, I said I was in the bathrooms near the stairs. My running to the brig should not have made you suspicious of me, and neither should have our encounter downstairs when there was the destroyed robot. I had already been searched, the head of security and multiple officers had witnessed the robot self-destruct, and furthermore the head of security had said on the radio that I had tried to stop the fleeing prisoners.

Hi there. In any other situation I'd agree that simply coming from a direction is not enough, but I should reiterate again that what truly tipped them off was the abrupt silence of the "Heads of States voiceovers" which immediately occured after Johnson was being reprimanded and demanded to return to the brig by the commander. The direction he came from was considered a possible lead, but all and all, at the time was only deemed suspicious. Investigators are there to connect dots that would otherwise be easy to miss for some crew, and the immediate resurfacing of the warden after the voice-overs died out was a cause for suspicion at least to Eva. If he had just been in the washroom in D3 security, it would have been whatever and at the very least, but the distance and convenient reemergence aroused suspicion in the first place.

 

35 minutes ago, Ublicto said:

At the time I had not been suspected of a crime. Even if the voice changing gas mask in my bag had been identified I would have been held for hooliganism at best - hardly deserving of a prison sentence. Even if I had cooperated with Sarrj, which I did not, at the time I think holding me would have been unwarranted because there was no evidence I had done anything criminal. I had said over the radio several times that there was no reason for me to want to steal a vulture suit and my resistance to being arrested was asking for my charges to be read out and backing away from the people hitting me with a baton, which is generally a realistic thing for a character to do if they're being struck by a stun weapon designed to cause pain.

 Impersonating Heads of State with with a voice changer is quite a serious deal, though at minimum one could argue that it is hooliganism when done out of some immature reason and I'd I agree, However, what ultimately made things more complicated was the PDA revelation that demonstrated that Elwood established contact with and met up with a known criminal who at the time was assisting with/organizing a conspiracy with other crew. Elwood was basically believed to have been part of this as well. His notable absence from the brig and communications were noted by both the HOS and Eva through PDA communications as sec radio at the time was indeed chaotic. On the topic of the Vulture suit, declaring there was no ill intent with the Vulture suit likely would've worked had it not been for the reports stating he presumably fled along with it or tried to use it  at some point for nefarious reasons, which is what was told to investigations shortly after the alleged push-and-flee happened. I'm not saying that pushing and fleeing is not a realistic response to being prodded with a stunbaton mind you(those things hurt after all), but the context that a baton was brandished (and used) completely unknown to Eva nor my character for that matter,  all they knew was that they ran.

32 minutes ago, Ublicto said:

In general the root of the remaining issues you have not explained is assuming criminal intent where there was no evidence to suggest that. From my perspective it seemed like I had a number of arbitrary and large charges being piled on me - I think at one point an officer or the head of security remarked that others were stacking unnecessary charges on me. Were you recommending I be charged to the HoS by PDA, or were you receiving distorted information from the rest of security and then relaying that upwards?

I was not the one who issued the charges or made any recommendations at least to my recollection. All I've stated through my character were the place that Johnson had come from, which was not enough yet until items were later found though that was quickly uncovered to be belonging to Sarrj. After things got further suspicious, she made sure to check the D3 stalls as well which had shown that Sarrj and Elwood had been in that room before, granted it was not enough for an arrest, but enough to warrant a search and possibly an interrogation as well to get a further explanation. I had no knowledge of any weapons or batons being brandished during a search, and had this come out with nothing much, investigations would have likely kept focusing on the more pressing matter which was Sarrj. I was explicitly told that Elwood "pushed" an officer and took off, which I interpretated as him fleeing. I do not recall receiving a message of Leonides stating they had Johnson was completely in the clear, hence why upon meeting him downstairs the disruptors were brandished. All and all, I think the charges likely came from everything that was relayed thus far, including the revelation there was at some point contact between Elwood and Sarrj, which is why he ended up being charged with charges originally meant for him and his co-conspirators.

And again, the original intent was to have you sit down and possibly get an interrogation going on, but then things spiraled out of control when officers had to apprehend Sarrj (who spawned a bunch of clones to fend them off), Eva checked to see the source of the gunshots and ended up assisting in the fight against the clones, and reprioritized looking for another else that Sarrj could have left behind.

If it was indeed me acting on either misinterpretated messages or receiving disorted information, then I'd like to apologize that. I've had no intent of actively wanting to ruin the experience for you nor anybody else. I simply acted on the information I had and was provided to me ICly and did so ICly.

 

 

[Ublicto]

1 hour ago, Ricky_the_banshee said:

Hi there. In any other situation I'd agree that simply coming from a direction is not enough, but I should reiterate again that what truly tipped them off was the abrupt silence of the "Heads of States voiceovers" which immediately occured after Johnson was being reprimanded and demanded to return to the brig by the commander. The direction he came from was considered a possible lead, but all and all, at the time was only deemed suspicious. Investigators are there to connect dots that would otherwise be easy to miss for some crew, and the immediate resurfacing of the warden after the voice-overs died out was a cause for suspicion at least to Eva. If he had just been in the washroom in D3 security, it would have been whatever and at the very least, but the distance and convenient reemergence aroused suspicion in the first place.

 

 Impersonating Heads of State with with a voice changer is quite a serious deal, though at minimum one could argue that it is hooliganism when done out of some immature reason and I'd I agree, However, what ultimately made things more complicated was the PDA revelation that demonstrated that Elwood established contact with and met up with a known criminal who at the time was assisting with/organizing a conspiracy with other crew. Elwood was basically believed to have been part of this as well. His notable absence from the brig and communications were noted by both the HOS and Eva through PDA communications as sec radio at the time was indeed chaotic. On the topic of the Vulture suit, declaring there was no ill intent with the Vulture suit likely would've worked had it not been for the reports stating he presumably fled along with it or tried to use it  at some point for nefarious reasons, which is what was told to investigations shortly after the alleged push-and-flee happened. I'm not saying that pushing and fleeing is not a realistic response to being prodded with a stunbaton mind you(those things hurt after all), but the context that a baton was brandished (and used) completely unknown to Eva nor my character for that matter,  all they knew was that they ran.

I was not the one who issued the charges or made any recommendations at least to my recollection. All I've stated through my character were the place that Johnson had come from, which was not enough yet until items were later found though that was quickly uncovered to be belonging to Sarrj. After things got further suspicious, she made sure to check the D3 stalls as well which had shown that Sarrj and Elwood had been in that room before, granted it was not enough for an arrest, but enough to warrant a search and possibly an interrogation as well to get a further explanation. I had no knowledge of any weapons or batons being brandished during a search, and had this come out with nothing much, investigations would have likely kept focusing on the more pressing matter which was Sarrj. I was explicitly told that Elwood "pushed" an officer and took off, which I interpretated as him fleeing. I do not recall receiving a message of Leonides stating they had Johnson was completely in the clear, hence why upon meeting him downstairs the disruptors were brandished. All and all, I think the charges likely came from everything that was relayed thus far, including the revelation there was at some point contact between Elwood and Sarrj, which is why he ended up being charged with charges originally meant for him and his co-conspirators.

And again, the original intent was to have you sit down and possibly get an interrogation going on, but then things spiraled out of control when officers had to apprehend Sarrj (who spawned a bunch of clones to fend them off), Eva checked to see the source of the gunshots and ended up assisting in the fight against the clones, and reprioritized looking for another else that Sarrj could have left behind.

If it was indeed me acting on either misinterpretated messages or receiving disorted information, then I'd like to apologize that. I've had no intent of actively wanting to ruin the experience for you nor anybody else. I simply acted on the information I had and was provided to me ICly and did so ICly.

 

 

I remember you or the other investigator explicitly telling the HoS that I should be locked up after they asked for a recommendation. At that point I had been searched and the HoS was prepared to let me go and therefore continue my gimmick of pretending to be the Dominian Emperor on the phone. The rest of this makes sense except for how I had repeatedly attempted to explain myself over the radio and did not see investigations attempt to confirm anything they heard said about me resisting or fleeing or doing anything that could be seen as an indication of criminal history or intent.  I can understand being brought in the first time but what I don't understand is being searched multiple times and detained essentially arbitrarily throughout the latter part of the shift. Were you communicating with other officers over PDA about this?

 

 

[DrPockets]

Going to try to keep this brief, but feel free to ask me to elaborate on anything. 

Firstly, regarding the alleged metagaming, from my end there was no OOC bias. There were several IC reasons to be suspicious which I will get in to.

Ricky's summary of the round's events matches what I remember. While Eva was dealing with the power sink, Clark was dealing with the bug in the consular's office. In the course of the investigation, it was found in PDA messages that the janitor was paid/extorted to put the bug there. While all this was being worked through in the brig, Johnson was nowhere to be found which was the first (minor) point of suspicion. 

The round got a lot more chaotic around this point, especially over sec's radio, so I might not have the order of events 100%. HoS ordered Johnson detained and searched. Johnson did not readily cooperate so the officers started to baton him. When he went down he dropped the hardsuit, that and him moderately resisting are 2 other IC reasons we were suspicious of him. If someone turned it into the lobby and Johnson did just happen to pick it up right before he got detained, very unfortunate timing for him because it made him look very guilty. 

Around the same time we found the PDA messages between Johnson and Sarrj. Nothing incriminating in the messages, but given how similar it was to the messages between Sarrj and the janitor which were used to plan the bugging of the consular's office and the prints/fibers suggesting that they did physically meet, this was another red flag.

Towards the end of the shift the HoS asked Clark and Eva whether or not Johnson should be let go. With the aforementioned reasons to distrust Johnson, I think there was ample IC probable cause to want him to stay detained while the rest of his case was worked out. Unfortunately, due to the round ending and the numerous other things going on during the round, there was never really enough time to properly investigate Johnson. 

Happy to expand further on anything, but that's about the gist of it. 

[CampinKiller]

Okay me and Loorey have taken a look at the logs and what's been posted here, and come to a decision.

From what it appears to us, this round had a mess of communication, especially over the security radio. There does appear to have been sufficient reason for @Ricky_the_banshee and @DrPockets to suspect Johnson was up to something, and given the Head of Security ordered him to be detained and searched, which was reported to have been resisted, we don't see an issue with the suspicion. Unfortunately when communication breaks down during a chaotic round, sometimes people get the short end of the stick, but it's not necessarily any one persons fault, nor metagaming. As for the arresting/charges, it appears to have been another issue with the cluster of communication and round coming to an end. In summary, we don't think there was any targeted metagaming of any sort, the round was just chaotic and communication questionable.

Additionally, if you do suspect there to be metagaming going on, please ahelp it in round. It is much more difficult to look into in this fashion.

If there's nothing else, this will be locked and archived in 24 hours.

[Ublicto]

Alright, I'll drop all my complaints. Thank you for taking a look at this, and I apologize to Ricky_the_banshee and DrPockets for falsely accusing them of something.