Staff Complaint - WickedCybs

[Filthyfrankster]

BYOND Key: Filthyfrankster

Staff BYOND Key: WickedCybs

Game ID: N/A
Reason for complaint: Judgement on the unban appeal.

Evidence/logs/etc: I was told to make a staff complaint in regards to the decision made on my appeal by WickedCybs by another staff member.  For I'm currently unable to discuss with them in private DM's on the matter due to a block between us. 

Additional remarks: N/A

Edited June 10 by Filthyfrankster

[Garnascus]

What is the basis for this complaint. There arent any hard policies on how long to keep a player permabanned for though the initial unban appeal seems genuine to me. 

[Filthyfrankster]

20 hours ago, Garnascus said:

What is the basis for this complaint. There arent any hard policies on how long to keep a player permabanned for though the initial unban appeal seems genuine to me. 

Simply recalling on what cybs mentioned in the 'after everything that has happened'. The basis is that Cybs is possibly using past situations as a way for simply 'try again at the end of the year'.

Going into detail on 'everything that has happened after it was applied'. 

1) I was partaking in a giant group art commission for some interdepartmental stuff involving the character that Cybs deleted and I was informed through another staff member and due to Cybs blocking me after the ban, I was unable to obtain any further details. So I went back and forth with the artist on obtaining a refund. Why would I want to be taunted by a picture of my character that was deleted? That's a slap in the face if I ever seen one. So it led to me eventually having to go through with paypal until a refund was given, which nearly ruined the art project for everyone due to the stress on the artist. But why is Cybs punishing me for this? In what sane world would I like to see a character who was instantly thanos snapped out of mid-air without further discussion? Why am I being labeled the bad guy for realizing I wasted my money on an art commission of a now deleted character and wanted it back and now it's being held against me for post-poning my ban appeal? People have a right to not want artwork of a now deleted character of theirs and request a refund. Even more if the artist wasn't showing any progress and was working on other commissions in the meantime. 

2) The complaint on Mel/The defamation. I honestly found it strange that Ki was instantly deleted due to that event without any further discussion /after/ all the quarrels she went through with Mel's character. Which it was obvious that it was putting some form of stress on Mel OOCly. The idea I found of a dominian snitching over a synthetic related manner as well did not help with the impression of giving off some meta buddy vibes. It's what led to me making the complaint in order to clear things up initially for this ban. However it was decided that it was simply better off filing a simple appeal. I had my reasonings and while I do apologize for the mess, I feel Cybs is simply punishing me for the complaint by purposefully keeping the ban extended. Is this the impression that is being given to other players? Make a staff complaint and we'll hold it over your head as a threat/ammo in the future? 

3) In the ban reasoning, it was mentioned I have a negative attitude against staff. I won't lie, I have a defensive attitude when it comes to interacting with staff due to the fact it's admin notes such as this one 

 

That was left by Mattatlas and sent to me by another member of staff following a staff complaint. I find it difficult to be openly friendly and arms open to people in a group that openly called me a thick headed idiot behind my back. Let alone what else could be written in my admin note profile. It's tedious to put on a loving smile whenever I'm bwoinked and questioned. But I understand that I could focus on lowering my guard and forgiving past negative contacts. But take this a show of reasoning for why I'm a defensive turtle. 

Other than Matt's comment on the admin side note. I don't quite see a warning paper trail for my attitude. From Cyb's ban note, it simply seemed to be improvised out of the blue reason than more of a key part to applying said ban. 

Edited June 20 by Filthyfrankster

[WickedCybs]

Most if not all this is just rehashing the complaint on Mel, which you posted after I perma'd you. I'll link it here. My response there still applies, as does your behavior which appears to remain unchanged.

Now, part of your post here.

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I feel Cybs is simply punishing me for the complaint by purposefully keeping the ban extended. Is this the impression that is being given to other players? Make a staff complaint and we'll hold it over your head as a threat/ammo in the future? 

I tell you, you've been banned for your character's extremely LRP behavior during that plane crash round, something that's been a recurring theme for them on other rounds. Afterward, you begin spreading a conspiracy that Mel had a hand in it and was out to get you banned, which completely blindsided me, she wasn't even involved. I investigate and learn you've essentially been harassing her while I was on break. I perma you due to this. You then make a staff complaint on Mel and not me regarding the ban and when Alb points this out among other things you ask to close the complaint. Your behavior there is absolutely relevant to my considerations, more so than the warning by Matt you post on every thread regarding staff, which I handled three years ago and disciplined Matt over.

Now you post this complaint after your appeal, in which you say you understand you were the issue. I think you were either lying to me due to this or the denial unfortunately had you repeat your problems. Regardless of whether you were sincere or not, you were never getting unbanned just a few months after what you did and continued to do afterward. That's called consequences and you have an issue accepting them. And here's the thing about your behaviour, mate. I've seen what you said over discord DMs and elsewhere. We've both talked about things you've said in-game before, you've demonstrated it on this thread, on Mel's thread, on other threads on the fourm. There's little if any positive comments regarding your conduct when I've asked others about it. If you're really going to make an appeal and say you understand you were at fault, this isn't a question you'd need to ask on this complaint.

After all, you've said this on Mel's complaint.

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I noticed many of my friends who were either on the staff team either stop speaking to me or straight up block me. Even then, many of my non-staff member friends simply stopped talking to me.

And the reason is pretty clear.

So, Instead of putting on a "tedious loving smile" and forgiving us just this once, be a more civil person instead and show a baseline level of respect to other people. Not just staff. Not everyone is going to get along, but even a turtle isn't going to do what you do and randomly slander others off the cuff on OOC channels ingame. If you do that, there's no way you won't be unbanned even after yet another thread like this. Although I'd hope this is the last instance of you not accepting a judgement. It will take time and I'm not going to tell you this thread isn't also now another thing to note about your reactions. It is. 

But, yeah. Current thought is you are staying banned until close to the end of the year. If there are more problems before then, that might need to be reconsidered. Up to garn if he thinks that's reasonable though.

And a note for Garn, we do have a lot of the Discord messages collated on the staffcord. Can link that later.

Edited June 21 by WickedCybs
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[Filthyfrankster]

9 hours ago, WickedCybs said:

 

So, Instead of putting on a "tedious loving smile" and forgiving us just this once, be a more civil person instead and show a baseline level of respect to other people. Not just staff. Not everyone is going to get along, but even a turtle isn't going to do what you do and randomly slander others off the cuff on OOC channels ingame. If you do that, there's no way you won't be unbanned even after yet another thread like this. Although I'd hope this is the last instance of you not accepting a judgement. It will take time and I'm not going to tell you this thread isn't also now another thing to note about your reactions. It is. 

This alone gives off the feel of fear in regards to players being targeted or treated differently in the game if they are seen as troublemakers or whistleblowers.  Why are you stating the obvious message that attempting to rock the boat via making a staff complaint will lead to it being held against you? 

 

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You then make a staff complaint on Mel and not me regarding the ban and when Alb points this out among other things you ask to close the complaint. Your behavior there is absolutely relevant to my considerations,

I made the staff complaint against Mel because I believe there was misconduct regarding the CCIA as a result of the investigation and the possibility of metabuddying due to the fact one of the whistleblowers helping the synthetic (In this case, a dominian snitching and helping a synth. Mel's character to be exact). and to plead my case via my side of the story.  The issue with Mel was pretty much the reason for the ban, hence why I made the complaint against her. 

[WickedCybs]

21 hours ago, Filthyfrankster said:

This alone gives off the feel of fear in regards to players being targeted or treated differently in the game if they are seen as troublemakers or whistleblowers.  Why are you stating the obvious message that attempting to rock the boat via making a staff complaint will lead to it being held against you? 

You were so deep in the hole that you wanted to hurt someone who continually asked to have nothing to do with you again. That's the difference between you and a lot of other people who make staff complaints to contest a decision they feel was wrong. I think you know yourself that you're being dishonest here.

21 hours ago, Filthyfrankster said:

I made the staff complaint against Mel because I believe there was misconduct regarding the CCIA as a result of the investigation and the possibility of metabuddying due to the fact one of the whistleblowers helping the synthetic (In this case, a dominian snitching and helping a synth. Mel's character to be exact). and to plead my case via my side of the story.  The issue with Mel was pretty much the reason for the ban, hence why I made the complaint against her. 

All that aside, the reality is that you're going to have to talk with us even if you get unbanned and that we're going to expect changes. If you can't let go of your baggage or at least push it aside, I don't think you really belong here anymore. You should play on a different server with a different staff team if that doesn't sound acceptable. 

Edited June 22 by WickedCybs

[Garnascus]

Sorry for the late response

I think the initial permanent ban is definitely valid given the sequence of events. I think frank even acknowledges its validity given the text of his ban appeal. Permanent bans are expected to be exactly that. Permanent. They are not placed lightly and its not always a guarantee that they can even be appealed. While i acknowledge the exact length of time for when to consider an unban appeal is a bit "Feelcrafty" it is up to the banning administrator. 

Considering i do not have any problems here with the ban itself i feel like siding with cybs on this one. 

[Filthyfrankster]

I can agree with me having to let go about the baggage and past issues 100%, to which I'm going to do that. However as Garn said, it all seems a touch 'feelcrafty'. Roughly put, I'm not fond of the wording when it came with 'Apply again at x and we'll see'.

[Garnascus]

Locking and archiving as judgement has been rendered. Frank can appeal again at the stated time.