Making Vampire and Ling actually fun

[wowzewow]

I don't know how this hasn't been thought up yet.

Basically, rework Ling and Vamp from LRP murderbone maintgankers to work more akin to social deduction games, ala Town Of Salem, Blood on the Clocktower kind of deal. A perfect fit for HRP.

 

[Dreamix]

I see no point in reworking them for horizon use. People don't really play onship antags, I don't think any kind of rework would change that.

They're good as is in odyssey, and I think any future antag changes or reworks should be done with odyssey in mind instead.

And odyssey currently can have scenarios like Town of Salem or etc. I've seen at least one round like that with ling.

Edited December 17, 2024 by Dreamix

[Evandorf]

Regardless of if we retool for Odyssey or normal game modes, I feel like making antags more versatile and less dependent on specific abilities/tropes should be our goal.

Ling has already benefited from giving you a 10 point loadout from the start and moving away from a need to drain people. The ability to change your voice, manifest clothing, ect lends itself well to being able to switch identities on the fly and I’ve used it to pretty decent effect in the past.

Vamp is probably the least flexible role at the moment due to the need to drink blood and their abilities being largely combat related. A shift in abilities to be more utilitarian and the ability to get normal blood from animals would be a good place to start imo.

I also agree with Dreamy that most people are hesitant to play onship antags and screw with their relationships, even if it’s not canon. Even when I play a character like Shaw who is supposed to be unlikable and regularly an antag it gets stale after a while and I can’t truly change things like fingerprints or DNA without admin bus. Some mechanic to allow for antags to truly change their character when they roll antag but remain onship would be good.

4 hours ago, Dreamix said:

I see no point in reworking them for horizon use. People don't really play onship antags, I don't think any kind of rework would change that.

They're good as is in odyssey, and I think any future antag changes or reworks should be done with odyssey in mind instead.

And odyssey currently can have scenarios like Town of Salem or etc. I've seen at least one round like that with ling.