Player Complaint - Acetrea

[Nol4]

BYOND Key: nol4
Game ID: czi-dCQw
Player Byond Key/Character name: Acetrea | Mae Lin
Staff involved: N/A, related to an IR
Reason for complaint: Excessive elitism
Did you attempt to adminhelp the issue at the time? If so, what was the known action taken by administration/moderation? No, an IR triggered this
Approximate Date/Time: April 26 2025

Short version: during an canon event round, Mae Lin as a character engaged in excessive elitism: she attempted to enforce a specific playstyle on the paramedic and stated that it should defer to physicians and herself on all things. There are two parts to this: a needless, security-enforced micromanaging of my paramedic's equipment, and an IR aggressively pursuing an OOC mistake on an obscure mechanic. Mae Lin went to the head of security, and when the head of security refused, the Captain himself over the bag micromanaging. The IR is over this and an obscure mechanical mistake despite both resolution in game (the character affected agreeing not to pursue charges + the Captain agreeing with that) and OOC resolution (the affected player and I agreeing to retcon it- though staff informed us this is no longer an option). She is pursuing the obscure mistake so intensely that the character is IRing the Captain himself.

All the while, she enforced other aspects of elitist play: she cites her friend as 'the best paramedic' (despite the character in question not being that job!), claims to be an authority over other jobs, and chased all of this at the expense of actually engaging with a canon event round.

This is the behavior that drives away new players. It ruthlessly punishes mistakes and any deviations from the in-group meta. This is a game, not real life: characters shouldn't be bullied into following a specific meta, and mechanical errors will happen and deserve some grace, especially when the actual players involved agree to gloss over them.

I think other medical characters leaned into this behavior that round, but I am focusing on Acetrea, as she escalated to the IR.

Long version:
 

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During an event round, medical, including Mae Lin, requested that Adzi retrieve a blood bag left by the other paramedic in the paramedic area. As I was involved in event things, Adzi responded that it was busy and asked them to use one of the bags in the OR storage. They promptly informed it that it had 30 seconds to return it before they called the HoS.

Adzi immediately (within 30 seconds) returned the bag to the OR storage. Medical, including Mae Lin, then began to interrogate Adzi about why it normally carried two bags, demanding it return them, that it 'upgrade' to Saline Plus, and saying it left the GTR understocked. Adzi refused, the HoS refused to investigate, so they asked the Captain to come to medical in person. This causes a prolonged meeting with the Captain themself as several medical characters, and Lin, argue that Adzi should not be allowed to decide how much blood it carries. Someone in medical also said it should be charged with *theft* for carrying blood at all- I don't know who this was, only that the Captain refused the charge.

All of this occurred during an event round: I had very little room to interact with the event once this kicked off.

The Captain pointed out that Adzi is allowed to make judgement calls about paramedic work, and does not automatically defer to other medical professionals. Mae Lin emphatically argued that it is not a medical professional, and that the physicians would know better than it on everything. The Captain reprimands all of medical for wasting his time. All of this occurs well before the OOC mistake:

After this conversation, a whole bunch of gremorians happen. Adzi treats a Tajaran with SBS, an obscure, rare part of medical that I honestly forgot is something Tajara can take. As the Tajara has lost an enormous amount of blood, it attaches blood bags- which are incompatible, and the blood kills its kidneys. Whoops.

Adzi admits the mistake (I improvise something about Solarian datapacks about Tajaran health being incomplete due to institutionalized racism). The Tajara is saved by medical. The character doesn't pursue charges: the player OOCly agrees to retcon the kidney loss to gremorian poison, stating that they know it was an understandable mistake OOCly and don't want to hammer it. Mae Lin wants to hammer it and files an IR.

Quotes/Screenshots (I can provide screenshot or log form as necessary: I trimmed out anyone else talking for readability)

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Mae Lin says, "Two bags is still one more bag than it should have."

Ricky Oberst says, "There is no establisheed best practise that any one physician, pharmacist, surgeon, or even like, chief medical officer can set."

Mae Lin says, "But when there are problems with things pertaining to medical, you should listen to the medical professionals."

Ricky Oberst asks, "Is the paramedic not a medical professional?"

Mae Lin says, "Not as much as the physicians, surgeons, and a pharmacist."

Ricky Oberst says, "A degree doesn't matter. The paramedic is more knowledgable than surgeons in pre-hospital medicine."

Mae Lin says, "I disagree."

[Time passes: she says later:]

Mae Lin says, "The knowledge that those with a medical degree, as in a PhD and MD, surpass that of a Paramedic.

Mae Lin stating that paramedic characters should completely defer to even the pharmacist. Aside from micromanaging a role which is not her subordinate, this feels like powergaming.

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Mae Lin says, "Adzi."
Mae Lin says, "Show us your bag."

Mae Lin says, "Cough it up, dude."
Mae Lin says, "We need those blood bags." (more on this later)
[later]
[Medical] Mae Lin says, "So you can either give them back and take the saline bag on the desk, or we can get security involved."

Demanding to inspect my character's equipment (again, as the pharmacist) + commanding their loadout at threat of security involvement.

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In the IR, she says:

"Liam Knight specifically having a reputation before getting his Doctorate as being the most knowledgeable and best Paramedic on the Horizon."

During round she says:

Mae Lin says, "Plus, Liam Knight was previously a Paramedic."

Mae Lin says, "So he should know."

This gain feels like plain elitism: claiming yourself or friends/members of an in-group to be the best at something and enforcing that method of play on all other players via that self-assigned status. This is especially egregious when the characters in question aren't even playing that job, and leans into powergaming.
 

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The other player stating they intended to let it go by gently due to being an OOC error.
 

Regarding the "Blood Shortage"

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From the IR: "Physician Knight noticed the ICU O-negative blood locker did not have enough blood to go on the IVs in the GTR.`

Throughout this entire interaction, there were no less than: 4 IV stands with O- blood bags in the ETC, 2 IV stands with O- blood in the OR, and 4 more bags of O- blood in the OR closets, on top of the crate of typed blood, and at least one bag of saline. I know this for fact because Adzi showed it all to the Captain in person during the prolonged investigation. It is simply not true that they were "unable to supply the GTR". They also refused over medical net to use any of the stockpile in the ORs. Claiming there was any issue with supply is purely a vaneer for micromanaging of a how another player filled their bag, and escalating into charge-worthy accusations by claiming it was causing critical supply issues.

Edited Saturday at 04:10 by Nol4
added a screenshot, adjusted a bit of wording

[Bear]

I will be taking this player complaint along with the trial Maxspells, give me a day or so. We will be asking multiple questions soon.

[Acetrea]

Hey Nol4, I'm really sorry that you got to the point that you felt you needed to player complaint me. I didn't realize you were so upset with how the canon odyssey round went. I want to try to clear some things up with you.

I do want to preface this with the fact that as of this past week, I've been playing Mae as very stressed and frazzled. I'm really really sorry if it seemed like I was coming for you OOCly or trying to be an overbearing powergamer. As you know since you play a character close to Leonides, Helena was aboard the vessel this week. I know this won't make sense to other readers, but I know it makes sense to you. Helena sent Mae the photos that Levi and Yekta were shown by Helena before, which was a main cause for Mae's strained actions, especially during this round.

In the beginning of the round during setup, Mae wasn't really involved in the blood discussion. Initially, it was Amelia Dresden who noticed that there wasn't enough blood to fit on all four IVs in the GTR. Mae mentioned she could make half-bags of saline, which wasn't really responded to by the paramedics, but she didn't jump on the bandwagon until later in the round when this problem started to ramp up. 

When PHM left the round and I'd learned that the O-negative bag they had was in the Paramedics Quarters (which only paramedics can access), I'd sent an ahelp to ask a mod/admin to ask that player to put things like that away properly, since non-Paramedics can't get in there without an Engineer. I didn't want there to be a round where the bag got stuck in there because no one could open the door. Even then, I didn't want PHM's player to get into trouble. I even said it wasn't a big deal to Fyni. https://imgur.com/a/gbCfyC7

When Adzi was being asked to move said blood bag (which was already when Liam Knight and Amelia Dresden were upset with Adzi about the blood bags), Mae also didn't say anything to Adzi over medical comms.

The next time I noticed it brought up was in the medical lobby right before and during the time when Mi-Young Seo arrived to medical. Mania Haller had been called over, not by Mae, but I think it was over PDA because I don't see anyone asking her to come over on common in my chat logs. The only thing Mae said during this was a relay of what Liam had said, which was "Checked all three lockers, still missing." Mae then said, "We did a count and it's still missing" to Mania.

After this encounter, Jay said, "Searched the third deck of Medical. No sign of the missing blood." Mae responded on comms, "Adzi, I'll give you saline in exchange for the blood bags you have on you." "And you will just use that instead." And then after Adzi stated, "This unit's protocols favor carrying blood.", Mae said, "Well your protocols are outdated and wrong." This was first time she really interacted with the blood bag problem.

This is when the ordering began. I did not mean for the way Mae treated Adzi E6 to be conceived as me trying to powergame and be elitist. Adzi E6 acts very much like a Viax or a cyborg. If you give Adzi an order to follow someone around or to do something, I've noticed that they tend to do it exactly like how those previous roles mentioned would. So that's the way Mae treated Adzi, like they were a cyborg you could give commands to. Again, I'm really sorry if this upset you. Saline Plus being better than a bag of blood is something that I was taught by Ren Hartfort (Comrade Batman) and I've also seen it spoken about on discord, specifically by medical players like Shimmer (I think), about how Paramedics should carry around Saline plus instead of blood because it restores blood faster than carrying around a blood bag would and because you use less of it overall. When Adzi refused to use the saline plus bag Mae had set out, she resorted to trying to order Adzi to do it instead because of the way she and I perceived them.

When Mania Haller got involved for the second time, Mae was not the one to call her to the GTR again. Mania Haller was PDA messaged by someone other than Mae to come speak about Adzi. When the Captain joined the round and asked medical over comms how they were doing, Mae said, "Actually, since Haller isn't answering us, we could super use your help." Liam Knight then conferred, "Yeah- we need t'talk to you skip." Mania Haller did end up coming over before the Captain did. It was not only Mae talking to Mania Haller. It was also Liam and Amelia and even Jay put some words in after Mania said it didn't matter, "I did not know it was permitted to steal things and then refuse to return them. I will note this for later." I really want to preface that it was not just Mae trying to hark down on Adzi about the blood bags. Mae also has a prior issue with Mania Haller that she hasn't let go, which was when Mania Haller nearly charged Mae Lin with gross negligence for asking a Viax assistant if they were able to get the dead carp from the hull. That is a whole different issue entirely, but I can go into it if it's needed. I can definitely say that Mae's upsetness with Mania Haller was one of the driving factors for making the IR in the first place. She saw it as unjust for trying to charge her with something so severe like gross negligence, but when brought issues, she doesn't do anything about it and literally tells everyone to "Stop whining" and "Stop bothering everyone about it".

When the Captain was brought in (which wasn't at the behest of Mae besides the prior comment mentioned(I think he PDA messaged too)), Mae did not say she wanted Adzi charged with anything. Never in the round did Mae say she would like Adzi charged with something. After the Captain had said that over medical comms after everything was dying down at the end was what had me write it in the IR, I think. It didn't really cross my mind to have Mae try and charge Adzi beforehand.

1 hour ago, Nol4 said:

All the while, she enforced other aspects of elitist play: she cites her friend as 'the best paramedic' (despite the character in question not being that job!),

I feel like there may be some confusion over this. Liam Knight was a Paramedic for many years on the Horizon. He only recently, like within the past month or two, made the switch to Physician after being gone for a while. His time as a Paramedic wasn't retconned, Mae knew him as a Paramedic, and so she believed him when he said that Adzi shouldn't need two blood bags.

Regarding the IR, I had posted it before I heard that you and Vadim's player were wanting to retcon Adzi's mistake. Only afterwards, thirty minutes after it was posted, was I pinged in general chat about it. You said it was an OOC mechanics mistake, which I thought might've been something regarding a bug, and so I'd asked you to elaborate. When you'd said that it was your own OOC mistake, I was hesitant to edit the IR right away before I got information from an admin/mod. I was under the impression that the event was canon, so things like that needed admin approval. Initially, I'd messaged Mel about it. But moreover, it feels a bit icky to be retconning something like that, when it was your character's mistake. When I played surgeon, there was an incident where a grey unathi and a grey tajaran had both had their left legs chopped off by a ling. I had both legs, but it was impossible for me to tell whose leg was whose. They were both grey, and when examining the leg, it did not give a description of fur, scales, or species. Long story short, I chose wrong and I gave them the wrong legs. A situation like that is what I feel should be retconned. There was no way for me to know whose leg was whose. For Adzi's situation, you can read blood type with a simple scan. I assume Adzi did that because how else might they have known Vadim was so short on blood? So therefore, because you missed it, Adzi did too.

I never wanted the IR to escalate to an OOC action like this. As previously mentioned, I was in the process of asking Mel if the mistake is canon or not. Mel is busy today, so I wasn't able to get that answer right away, and I actually still don't have an answer for it. I'm really really sorry it didn't come across this way in the IR, but in my head, the IR was more targeted at the Captain and the HoS. The whole idea was that if either of them had told Adzi to switch to the saline plus bag, then Vadim never would've gone into organ failure. I'm super aware OOCly as the player that that is a huge stretch! The HoS and the Captain wouldn't have known Adzi would make a mistake like that! That was kinda supposed to be the point of the IR.

I will admit that I'm hurt this turned into a player complaint because I posted the IR, but I can definitely see how it looks like Mae/I was the sole aggressor through your eyes. I really want to establish that that's not true. Mae gave Adzi a few commands, but she wasn't the one to call Mania. She wasn't the one PDAing her and the Captain. I decided to have Mae double down and follow the blame train after the second conversation with Mania with the rest of the medical team, and I'm really sorry that this hurt you OOCly, but it really wasn't just Mae. I'm fine with trashing the IR if the situation gets retconned. It really was supposed to be an IC thing, or else I would've made it into a character complaint against Mania Haller, Ricky, or Adzi. 

If you have any more questions or you want to DM me and talk about it, I'm happy to do so. I've saved the log of the round.

Edited Saturday at 05:08 by Acetrea

[maxspells]

@Cash7800 Hi hello, who was it that PDA'd/reached out to Mania to get involved with the incident in medical?

[maxspells]

@Acetrea Were you, or any of the other medical staff involved a CMO or acting CMO?

[Cash7800]

Amelia Dresden called sec earlier in the round then later Liam Knight PDAd me about it, and I can confirm there weren't any acting CMOs.

[maxspells]

@Nol4 Hello! What sort of steps, if any, did you take to sort of mitigate the incident with the team? Can you expand a bit on the discussion that happened after you returned the bloodbag from the paramedic office to OR storage a bit so we have some context of how that conversation went before and during the meeting with the captain?

[Nol4]

2 hours ago, maxspells said:

@Nol4 Hello! What sort of steps, if any, did you take to sort of mitigate the incident with the team? Can you expand a bit on the discussion that happened after you returned the bloodbag from the paramedic office to OR storage a bit so we have some context of how that conversation went before and during the meeting with the captain?

Adzi immediately moved the blood bag left by the other paramedic to the OR storage, but of note, the head of security was already in the lobby by the time I was done doing that. I think it was less than two minutes from them demanding it return it to the HoS arriving. Adzi informed the HoS, in front of both doctors and the pharmacist that it had done so, and the HoS heard this and dismissed the whole thing.

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[VIP tours medical here and everyone does other things for a bit]

 Mae is the first to return to the issue, and demands Adzi also hand over the blood it equipped itself with. You can see the VIP hasn't even left the screen at this point.

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Adzi again refuses, giving its reasons (namely: it has a protocol, and that protocol isn't determined by them). I leave medical to help the chef meal plan for the VIP, but I didn't end up having very much time, because Mae Lin instantly calls to get security involved again. (This log is immediately after I left the department.)

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Not long after this (it's on the same page on my log), the Captain checks in on the medical net. Not satisfied with the HOS' ruling, Mae Lin asks him to get involved.

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Ricky then calls a meeting in medical, which Adzi is summoned to. In front of Mae Lin, Liam Knight, Amelia Dresden, Jay Elder, and the Captain, it again states that it returned the blood bag, which the Captain confirms. Mae Lin interjects that it has more than she's deemed necessary, and it should be accepting her swap.

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It also states that it isn't required to defer to the pharmacist or other non-CMO characters, which the Captain also confirms. It then shows the Captain the 10 available O- blood bags already in the department, which the Captain records on a recorder. 

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 Let me know if I can help with anything else.

Edited Sunday at 05:31 by Nol4

[Bear]

On 26/04/2025 at 00:02, Acetrea said:

It was not only Mae talking to Mania Haller. It was also Liam and Amelia and even Jay

I would like to clarify on this, as I read through everything. These characters have been mentioned multiple times, but haven't been listed in the initial complaint. Are you saying they were also just as involved or were the reasoning behind your actions?

I'm still confused as to why the head of security was reached out to in the first place. Can you guys elaborate on that?

@CoolSortieBro @Sparta9001 and @ASmallCuteCat , if your characters were involved could you weigh in as well? Thanks.

[BravoBohemia]

Hey, sorry; my byond client is linked to this forum account for some reason so I figured it'd be best if I comment with it. I'm CSB/Liam. 
 

The situation began early in the round with a disagreement over blood supplies. Paramedic Adzi collected two O-negative blood bags, which left the GTR one short as most paramedics tend to take at most one if at all. 

Later, after PHM departed via the residential tube, they left gear behind in the paramedic ready room, including their previously collected blood bag. Since Adzi was the only medical staff member with access at that moment (without involving Engineering), the team asked her to retrieve it to fill the gap left by the earlier deficiency. I attempted to introduce some urgency by stating that the unrefrigerated blood could spoil, being that this is an environment where we're encouraged to portray a character accurately, I felt it prudent to do so as this is a huge issue in real life.

There was some back-and-forth, as Adzi seemed unwilling at first, but she eventually retrieved the bag. However, it was believed at the time that she had either stashed the bag elsewhere in the department as both myself and Elder had checked all likely cold storage locations (surgeon's lockers, organ cooler, typed blood storage, O-negative locker), with no bag to be found.

This disappearance became a major point of contention. The rest of the medical staff repeatedly questioned Adzi about the bag's whereabouts, speculating it might have been thrown out, hidden, or kept on her person (as she often mentioned preferring to carry multiple bags).

Given the seriousness of a missing bag of universal donor blood – a significant breach of medical protocol, akin to security losing track of a firearm – I felt it necessary to escalate the matter to the Head of Security and the Captain; again, as one in a professional medical setting might do. 

Unfortunately, our concerns were dismissed by both the HoS and the Captain as "baseless." This reaction frustrated the medical team (three doctors and a pharmacist), as we believed our professional judgment regarding medical supplies and procedures was being disregarded.

The situation culminated during the Gremorian outbreak. The Warden, who needed specialized SBS blood because of his augmentations, received roughly 1.5 bags of O-negative blood administered by Adzi. This error led to blood rejection and complete kidney failure. The Warden required emergency dialysis for about 15-20 minutes to be kept alive until an Operations Manager could provide prosthetic kidneys.

In summary, while emotions were heightened due to the last minute gremmie rodeo, the medical team's persistent focus on the missing blood bag stemmed from the idea that we were portraying our characters in a way that someone would react in real life to missing medical equipment. The actions of Liam, Jay, Amelia, and Mae were a direct response to the missing critical supply, perceived resistance from the Adzi, and the disregard shown by command for their professional opinions.

[Sparta9001]

Heya, so I did notice it was said I was the one to call sec. TBH I was a bit unsure myself if I did or not cause I honestly didn't remember. So I had a look at the logs from the round and I did not see anything on common about it and I never pda messaged security about it. I'm not sure why its being said I contacted security about the issue. but this did not occur. tbh I didn't want this to be an issue where security even got involved at all. Since at the time it was a simple disagreement over allocation of medical supplies.

The only issue my character had with the blood situation is that there were not enough to stock the stands at round start from the blood locker in the GTR. But there really isn't an issue with paramedics carrying a bag of blood on them. infact I would say its common place to do so. I never felt the need to want to press charges or even call security in the first place. I do believe a miscommunication occurred later with the blood being returned in a different spot than expected IE the OR blood lockers. I'm not sure if the blood being returned later in the round was ever communicated with the rest of the department or it was communicated, it was done in a confusing fashion which did not remedy the situation.

I'll be honest during the whole meeting with the captain there were several times I had to leave in the middle of it to treat people because of a series of Gremorian infestations. So alot of what was said I ended up missing out on alot of what was said. I'm not really sure why this turned into an OOC issue because I don't believe anyone involved had any hard feelings about it towards Adzi's player in any shape or form.

As what was said, the whole situation was in no way to promote any kind of meta way of playing medical. It was more roleplay the possibility of losing valuable equipment or having it misplaced somewhere. Which would be troublesome in any medical environment as hospitals I've worked at, strict logs are kept for storing and using equipment. With multiple people checking off validity of logs for inventory to ensure its correct.

[ASmallCuteCat]

Jay's player here.

My character was only "involved" in the sense that he was present and active in the same area/department that everything took place in. He didn't contact Security, he didn't contact the Captain, if my recollection is correct he didn't even talk much during the confrontations apart from offering clarification to a couple questions that were asked. Jay was only at the meeting with the Captain because he was told to attend it, and he spent most of said meeting watching Security dealing with greimorians outside.

In the later part of the round, I was completely locked in and frying my brain trying to keep the Warden alive. I have no idea what happened between Adzi, Command, and the rest of Medical during/after that, my focus was all used up. Jay had no part in the ingame aftermath surrounding the Warden's treatment or the IR.

So, all in all, I would say that Jay was a bystander for the most part. Please let me know if there's anything else I can clarify.

[Nol4]

I was asked for my input on Liam Knight, Amelia Dresden, and Jay Elder's involvement. From least to most involved:

Jay Elder

I've included every single log quote he made related to Adzi carrying blood below- there weren't many. Obviously there's tons of chat trimmed between, but nothing in context made him seem like the driver to me.

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[Medical] Jay Elder says, "No."
[Medical] Jay Elder says, "It's in the paramedic's quarters. Which... we cannot access."
[Medical] Jay Elder says, "This unit suggests, put the damn bag where it's supposed to be. Not in a place that only a single person can access."
Jay Elder says, "There's specific lockers in the GTR for blood bags." (during the meeting with the HoS)
[Medical] Jay Elder says, "Searched the third deck of Medical. No sign of the missing blood." (When he was searching for the blood- while Adzi had told the team in front of the HoS where it had placed it by this point, I think only Dresden and Knight were there)
[Medical] Jay Elder says, "Dealing with a - .... minor security issue." (When the Captain asked what was happening in medical)
Jay Elder says, "It is not good to have a supply locker that is out of supplies, in Medical." (during the Captain's meeting)
Jay Elder says, "Paramedics do not require a degree." (During the Captain's meeting)
As ACC said, after this point Elder was involved in responding to gremorian attacks and didn't say anything else on it.

Amelia Dresden
Amelia was not very involved initially, aside from demanding on the net that Adzi move the other paramedic's bloodbag. She did however endorse to the Captain that there "wasn't enough to set up the GTR". I'm putting a pin in how this isn't true for now to reduce redundancy- it'll be in the next section as well.

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Amelia Dresden says, "Didn't even 'ave enough to set up the GTR."

She has some scuffle on comms with the HoS:

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[Common] Mania Haller says, "You're getting so whiny about blood-bags you aren't ready to like, do your jobs. Weird."
[Common] Amelia Dresden says, "We're talkin' to the captain. curb the attitude."

She does get pulled out of the Captain's meeting twice by gremorian related things, as Sparta said. When she returns, she states that she used to be a paramedic, as well as a nurse, during the discussion about Adzi deciding its own equipment as a paramedic.

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Ricky Oberst crosses his arms, dipping his head forwards. "Nurses and paramedics are valuable members of the medical community," he says, "Doctors, by virtue of their degree, are not inherently superior."
Amelia Dresden says, "I was both before I was a doc as well."
Amelia Dresden says, "Semantics."
Amelia Dresden says, "Its in mah records."

Liam Knight

Per comments above, Knight summoned the HoS initially and quickly, which matches with my radio log.

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[Medical] Liam Knight says, "Now I'll ask kindly before I have to get Haller involved."

[Maybe a minute later?]

[Medical] Liam Knight says, "Adzi, Haller wants t'see you in the lobby

He's also the first to chime in that Adzi should also put the blood it's carrying, not just the other paramedic's, into the lockers. Adzi also tells Knight and Dresden here that it returned the first one, twice.

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Mania Haller says, "Medical is whining about you having three bloodbags or something. Put one of them back."

Liam Knight says, ".. two would be preferred."

Amelia Dresden says, "Yeah."

Liam Knight says, "But- whatever."

Amelia Dresden says, "Two."

Adzi E6 says, "This unit has already placed the blood bag back."

Mania Haller says, "Oh."

Amelia Dresden says, "In the GTR."

Mania Haller asks, "Soo. Were you two like, not counting?"

Adzi E6 says, "This unit notes that the blood bag is returned to the blood freezer."

Amelia Dresden facepalms.

He justifies this by telling Adzi the blood doesn't 'belong to it'.

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Liam Knight says, "I don't know if you're aware Adzi, but they're not yours." 

Liam Knight says, "They belong to the entire department."
Adzi E6 says, "This unit observes no less than eight blood bags in public use and storage." (Adzi pointing out just the eight O- bags I can see in the department from where Adzi is standing at that moment)

Knight also calls the Captain.

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[Medical] Mae Lin says, "Actually, since Haller isn't answering us, we could super use your help."

[Medical] Liam Knight says, "Yeah- we need t'talk to you skip."
[Medical] Liam Knight says, "In person if at all possible, that or I can ping you over the quick and dirty."
[when the Captain is busy with the event and doesn't come immediately:]

[Medical] Liam Knight asks, "You still on the way skip or are you meeting and greeting?"

During the Captain meeting, Knight repeats several times that Adzi has up to three bags, despite Adzi again stating during the meeting and demonstrating to the Captain that it has two, and returned the other paramedic's.

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Liam Knight says, "Again- captain, this is life-saving medical equipment that is, by all counts, missing."
Liam Knight says, "Barring that, we have to ask operations to order a fresh supply using the department funds that not a single person in this room barring you likely has access to."
Liam Knight asks, "Then can you ask Adzi to truthfully tell us where it placed the bag left in the ready room by the other paramedic who hit the tube?"

Then gremorians happen. However, I'd like to touch on two things from Sortie's post.

4 hours ago, BravoBohemia said:

The situation began early in the round with a disagreement over blood supplies. Paramedic Adzi collected two O-negative blood bags, which left the GTR one short as most paramedics tend to take at most one if at all. 
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The actions of Liam, Jay, Amelia, and Mae were a direct response to the missing critical supply, perceived resistance from the Adzi, and the disregard shown by command for their professional opinions.

Except the GTR wasn't short. I detailed in the initial complaint all ten O- bags of blood in the GTR once Adzi had returned the first bag, all of which were verified by the Captain. This 'critical shortage' is completely made up- Liam himself says the GTR is 'one short' which means 'I wanted to put one on all five IV stands, four of which already have blood'. This is reflected in Mae Lin's statement about the 5th IV stand. He also acknowledges there's even more blood in the surgeon freezers, as he verbally refuses on Medical net to use that blood for his fifth IV.
This excuse has no basis in reality, and implies the GTR would be 'critically short' on any round where there are two paramedics both of which take a single IV bag.

4 hours ago, BravoBohemia said:

Later, after PHM departed via the residential tube, they left gear behind in the paramedic ready room, including their previously collected blood bag. Since Adzi was the only medical staff member with access at that moment (without involving Engineering), the team asked her to retrieve it to fill the gap left by the earlier deficiency. I attempted to introduce some urgency by stating that the unrefrigerated blood could spoil, being that this is an environment where we're encouraged to portray a character accurately, I felt it prudent to do so as this is a huge issue in real life.

I simply do not believe this, because Knight explicitly wanted the bag to hang on a 5th IV pole. Hanging IV bags are not refrigerated. It seems like your character only cares about refrigeration when managing paramedic's bags, not when spiking and hanging five IV bags, which would surely also spoil, and would be considered flagrantly wasteful in real life.

Edited Monday at 02:21 by Nol4

[maxspells]

Hi. So, after a lot of deliberation, and reading over the logs that were provided, as well as the full chat logs of the incident, we have decided to action Acetrea and Coolsortiebro and the matter will be resolved in 24 hours.

We think it’s very clear from what we’ve observed that both Mae Lin and Liam Knight made the round worse for another player over what was essentially a minuscule thing (A paramedic holding an extra bloodbag.)

We believe this crossed the line into toxicity, whether intended or not, when the characters in question continuously, throughout the round, accused Adzi of stealing/hoarding the bloodbag that was returned when asked, called security to force them to give up one of its blood bags, got the HoS involved, got the captain involved, and when neither of those worked out, followed through with an IR on the command members and Adzi itself. We believe this is a valid complaint, and it’s of our opinion that most players would feel targeted and micromanaged in this scenario, especially during a special canon event round.

In addition, we would like to address the overstepping of the characters involved, particularly Mae Lin and Liam Knight as they were the main ones pushing the issue with command and the IR. Neither of the characters involved were acting CMOs or command members, and as such had no authority to restrict the equipment of an FR. Arbitrarily restricting the equipment of subordinates is something only command staff should be doing. Roleplay or not, the implication that a physician, surgeon, or pharmacist could restrict a responders equipment simply due to “Being a medical professional” or that a character “used to be a paramedic” is not something we want to entertain, as we believe that only command staff should be the ones able to make such calls.

[Bear]

To piggyback on this, I want to talk about handling The Right Way to tackle a department. The reality is there are many, many different ways to play the game, but unless you are playing a command member you shouldn't be trying to limit another player's approach. We may know our best way to play but that may not work for others, or we may in fact know The Meta when it comes to a certain department. Other players may not be that far in their journey. It's okay to try and teach. It's okay to complain, and then even take an issue to command or if that fails, an IR. But what we cannot do is harass another player through the round with unrealistic expectations, overstep into different job lanes, or make up situations to validate our want to place control on the department/round even if it is with the best outcome in mind. If someone is doing poorly, and/or not taking feedback or teaching from proper channels then you should ahelp if it's obviously in bad faith, dangerous, or if you just have questions on how to approach a confrontation/disagreement.