Player Complaint: TechnoKat

[Jamini]

-About the end of round part, I'm simply looking to bar off any other possible justifications for Techno's actions which can be ignored. Being violent and trying to kill a member of sec could paint you as an extremely dangerous and unscrupulous character, but doing so five minutes before the end of a round doesn't help you establish your character (it's a bit late for that) and doesn't justify killing someone alone. (Which is why I'm saying it can't have been because of that.)

 

Considering TK's actions all round (again, they had murdered multiple people by admission while in that suit. They had sabotaged the station. They were acting violent for most of the round as well!) If anything I would call violently assaulting Ana the climax of the story. While perhaps a little excessive, it certainly was a fantastic highlight and finishing statement to make. It could have been done better, but as far as conflict climaxes go it just... doesn't seem that off.

They certainly were well past the point of establishing their character.

Now I can't get this image of a person running around in a chicken suit, slamming people into walls as they try to make their escape (and are then dogpiled by everyone and their cat)

[Frances]

I can definitely see what you mean. However, weren't most players fed up with Techno's actions at that point? While the idea of a chickensuit killer sounds hilarious, we're still looking at the case of a player who was just recently spoken to for acting in an overly aggressive manner ICly, creating situations that were more unpleasant than anything else, and said player once again acted with excessive force with very little lead-up.

I do think it could've been a good climax to the round otherwise. But the execution (grab random sec officer in your escape, murder) was bad enough that I think this complaint deserves to stand.

[Jamini]

I can definitely see what you mean. However, weren't most players fed up with Techno's actions at that point?

 

The crux of the issue with TK's actions leading in was their self-antagging and acting like a dick when not an antagonist. To the point where they were usurping the legitimate antagonists of the round. (Literally, at one point, making me ask if it was REV when I had SEEN THE WIZARD in one round in question!)

This isn't a case of self-antagging. TK was a legitimate traitor in this event. Traitors need to be given room to act within that role.

A talking-too about excessive force? Maybe. An antagonist ban? Also maybe due to history.

But the claims of Ganking and EoR as initially stated are honestly unfounded in my eyes. Neither of those rules were outright broken as far as I can tell.

[EvilBrage]

I disagree; the issue is that TechnoKat has very little regard for the enjoyment of other players and will go ahead and just do whatever - that is the common theme in all of these complaints, and that is also a very poisonous mindset to have in what is essentially a book written by fifty different authors at a time.

Why did they wipe a pAI and upload a ridiculous law? Because they wanted to, pAI player be damned.

Why do they go into a hissy fit whenever they're arrested? Because they want to, security protocol and justification be damned.

Why did they slam Ana's head into a wall repeatedly? Because they wanted to, Sue's enjoyment be damned.

Honestly, I also have a problem with Sue's aggression towards antagonists, but that actually has to take place before you can begin to claim that was the trigger. If being arrested was the trigger, why wait for Centurion's backup to show up? If Ana's aggression was the trigger, why did Lauren go off before even a line of text was exchanged? What I'm starting to sense is that Techno is a player who simply does what they desire in the immediate moment without any thought for consequence or other players, and as stated above, I don't believe that's a mindset we want to endorse, regardless of whether or not that player is the round's antagonist.

[Guest]

I was told by one person earlier that a possible reasoning of TK going for the kill on Roh'hi'tin was that the character was 'known for being a loose cannon' and that the player was known as a validhunter-killer.

As I stated earlier when talking to them regarding the incident, putting OOC reason into IC actions is metagaming, assuming this is the case here. Metagaming is described as using external knowledge your character would not know and then putting it into practice so that it puts your character in a position where they have an unrealistic and unfair advantage. A lot of prior evidence and behavior suggests this is so.

And as a matter of fact, assuming it holds some sort of relevance, prior behavior or activity in previous instances can indicate a modus operandi is taking place. That means something common is happening, folks, and nothing is being done about it. Yet.

[Jboy2000000]

I agree with Delta, Techno has had 4-5 complaints and incident reports made to them, all of them are about how Lauren is a terrible, self-antagging characters who doesn't provide good roleplay and is just a general pain, and a bad antag. Its beyond time, I think Techno gets some form of punishment. Id settle for an antag ban, but a real, timed ban is what I think should happen.

[Tainavaa]

I have to agree with both Delta and Brage. I don't enjoy Lauren myself, because despite TechnoKat's justification, she just reminds me of what people often describe goon/tg station characters and playstyles.

No matter what, for no matter what charge, you can not trust Lauren NOT to try and disarm/push you and take your weapon as an officer - even if she's in there for 3-4 minutes. That's much more than just being a hooligan.

I believe some sort of punishment needs to happen here.

[Guest]

Right, uh, just for future notice, I'd recommend you lot stay away from the "ban he" thing we've been doing lately with complaints. It comes off as childish and dickish, so let's not.

Let the administration decide punishment or no, hm?

[TechnoKat]

In all honesty, I see Sue everywhere almost everywhere when security is dealing with antags. Regardless if CSI, surgeon, whatever. Comes up and already starts fighting, no words given or any interaction. I was cornered by almost four security members already and I see Ana coming up, with the history of her being very aggressive, I decided to try escaping by slamming her face until unconscious, which took a lot of hits.

Doesn't really matter as an antag ban was already issued to me, but Sue's history against antags is what made me go against Ana, because no matter what, you'll be detained without a word at all or attempts to resist, Ana will robust you no matter what. I do however apologize for the actions made.

[Jboy2000000]

So you admit to metagaming and ganking? Because not matter what the reason, its still both of those things. And you obviously don't have an antag ban, because you were a ling in the round thats just about to end now.

[Ryfer]

Due to recent events, general antag ban has been applied, this complaint contributed to the decision and it is to be considered the punishment.

Staff decision made, complaint considered resolved.