Player complaint: Draculabot.

[callum99877]

BYOND Key: Callum99877

Player Byond Key: Draculabot

Staff involved: None

Reason for complaint: So, over the last few weeks ive put up with this. His character (Rebecca McGrath) is taking things too far. Her and my character sort of hate each other due to some IC events. But his character is now ruining my RP as every one of my characters. For example. Im playing as a brand new character today, she was playing as the bartender. After the introductions when i went for a drink IC this was the next thing she said.

http://gyazo.com/b143a4390986607f49939c6f80237f20

And her friend (im not making the complaint about them.) then threw me away.

http://gyazo.com/bdfe2c2eae6969513662ad7e94bd84b8

And this sort of thing happens with all the family because they are related to Karenza. She makes IC complaints every single round even when ive not actualy spoken to her (Rebecca that is) and its getting frustrating to the point that at the start of the round i have to look at the manifest, and if she is there i wont join.

At first i enjoyed it, Rebecca and Esmee were ok, then she just started it. Now its happening to all of my characters, even those Dracula has not met IC.

This complaint is not to get him in trouble, its to simply say, Stop. It was fun at first, not now. Keep issues between the two characters, not all of them. Yes i got Esmee involved at first but that was friendly, not to argue and such. Its restricting my access and things i can do ICly and is getting really frustrating. Thank you.

Approximate Date/Time: The last few weeks. Complaint submitted at 6:30pm on13JUN2015

[Draculabot]

Firstly, -you- need to stop. I have made it abundantly clear IC that Rebecca wants NOTHING to do with the Scotts and their extended family after Rivette's attack on her. OOCly, you have peeped on my conversations with other characters ICly, you have taken measures to ensure every single one of your characters- Esmee, Ezra, Karenza and now Callum, have an unhealthy obsession with ruining Rebecca's day. Esmee mutters curse words under her breath, calls Rebecca a bully, Erza - in another round, after a single insult, beat Rebecca to the point of near death, and Karenza has been an out-and-out psychopath who apparently killed herself but appeared no worse for the wear in the next shift.

You have made me seriously, seriously nervous with your IC and OOC actions. Rebecca as the bartender has the right to refuse service as she sees fit, and an entire family that's out to get her is more than enough reason to turn away a Scott. Please, PLEASE leave me alone ICly. I am being as communicative with you as I have to be OOCly, and to be completely honest, you make me greatly uncomfortable.

Furthermore, I am not a man. I know that's not a focal point here, but however mannish I may seem, I am a woman.

[Guest]

Please note: As IAA Godswood, Ive informed the DOs of a restraining order request, they should be getting to you two eventually.

[callum99877]

First point, I hit you once with a telescopic baton, that should not be near death. Secondly, esmee has not muttered insults unless provoked, and third Rebecca is doing these things to people she has never met. She is doing this to every one of my characters rather than the only one that actually dislikes her, that is the issue here. If a seperate character cant even walk into a bar then what RP is that?

My issue is not OOC. My issue is that actions cant stay between the two characters.

PS: I thought you were a guy, sorry about that.

[callum99877]

you have taken measures to ensure every single one of your characters- Esmee, Ezra, Karenza and now Callum, have an unhealthy obsession with ruining Rebecca's day.

 

Also, Ezra only interacted with you once when you were an antag, Esmee worked as rebecca's assistant and tried to be kind before rebecca started insulting her and callum got thrown out the bar and hasent the slightest clue as to why. To me it seems the other way around.

Karenza is like that yes, for good reasons and i wont argue against rebecca's actions to her. But the others needent be involved.

[enkas]

What I think, is this is totally IC drama, that, as far as I can understand, was caused by you. It is not unreasonable for a person to be distrustful to siblings of someone that he/she dislikes. Instead of saying, that she does it with EVERY character of yours, try creating a character that isn't Scott.

[Draculabot]

> Esmee worked as rebecca's assistant and tried to be kind before rebecca started insulting her

I have -zero- recollection to this happening.

[callum99877]

She sat at the engineering desk for her until the HoP called her away? It was last week or the week before.

She has tried on a couple of occasions to stop this (Because its ruining both of our IC experiences and we can stop it very, very easily)

[Draculabot]

we can stop it!

Stop harassing my character ICly!

Rebecca is only acting as a normal person would!

Scott = Related to Esmee, he's gonna spread shit to Esmee.

[callum99877]

Enkas, i have done this, and the first thing she said to this character was encouraging to stay away from all my other characters as she has to others, and this started because Rebecca did something to Karenza, and she overreacted.

And when these IC situations make a player want to not play it becomes an issue. Ive tried resolving it IC and ive been unsuccessful.

Is it too much to ask for this whole situation to end? ive already had to stop playing one character because im sick and tired of it both IC and OOC. Id rather not have to lose all my others.

[callum99877]

Scott = Related to Esmee, he's gonna spread shit to Esmee.

 

Not actually true.

[Draculabot]

how are you taking the high road when you're the one instigating this!?

[callum99877]

Im not instigating anything, ive tried getting this to stop IC and McGrath has just continued it with all my characters.

When she learned Callum's name she immediatly assumed his relation without even knowing.

[Guest]

Callum.

While you complain that you've had to deal with someone putting a wrench in your endless crusade of Waifuism, I on the other side have had to deal with the aforementioned crusade of relentless suicidal lesbianism.

While people undoubtedly have different tastes in RP, I feel like I have to make a point here and that point is that you literally have no interest in interaction with a character beyond attempting to get them to romance yours. Every single character you have is completely silent or even outright hostile when it comes to any interaction which is unlikely to end in an acceptably arousing ERP scenario including one of your characters. Be it Esmee Scott, Karenza Rivette or Erza Scott, you are an industrial behemoth of waifu acquisition. If you've any character capable of pursuing something as simple as regular interaction or a platonic friendship with an unattractive character you don't intend to romance, I am entirely unaware of their existence.

There's having a selective taste in roleplay, and then there's being outright obsessive with your chosen type of roleplay.

Even worse, your romance RP is odd and irrational, this recent Karenza Rivette debacle is an example of RP I find outright bad.

Karenza Rivette - someone who is apparently played in a HoP position is an alchoholic emotionally unstable woman with an unhealthy habit of killing herself randomly. I was present to two seperate lesbian romance related suicide attempts on Karenza's side, and was later ICly informed of a third succesful one. Those being the most glaring examples of poor romance RP.

Draculabot.

While you may generally be more subtle with your waifuism, and I have seen Rebbeca interact with characters beyond her potential love interest, that doesn't change the fact that you're still pushing ERP in a way so obvious that i'd compare it to having your character run through the halls of the station blowing on a rainbow coloured vuvuzela while holding a balloon covered with inflation fetishism art.

Now, I don't know how much both of you have self inserted into the game with this furious pursuit of pixelated 2D booty, but I consider the fact that this complaint exists in the first place as proof that you've both gone too far. There are plenty of platforms more private than SS13 on which you may pursue various magical activities in relative peace, like skype or f-list.

[Draculabot]

I'm just here to RP, and am fucking insulted by your suggestion.

[callum99877]

Callum.

While you complain that you've had to deal with someone putting a wrench in your endless crusade of Waifuism, I on the other side have had to deal with the aforementioned crusade of relentless suicidal lesbianism.

While people undoubtedly have different tastes in RP, I feel like I have to make a point here and that point is that you literally have no interest in interaction with a character beyond attempting to get them to romance yours. Every single character you have is completely silent or even outright hostile when it comes to any interaction which is unlikely to end in an acceptably arousing ERP scenario including one of your characters. Be it Esmee Scott, Karenza Rivette or Erza Scott, you are an industrial behemoth of waifu acquisition. If you've any character capable of pursuing something as simple as regular interaction or a platonic friendship with an unattractive character you don't intend to romance, I am entirely unaware of their existence.

There's having a selective taste in roleplay, and then there's being outright obsessive with your chosen type of roleplay.

Even worse, your romance RP is odd and irrational, this recent Karenza Rivette debacle is an example of RP I find outright bad.

Karenza Rivette - someone who is apparently played in a HoP position is an alchoholic emotionally unstable woman with an unhealthy habit of killing herself randomly. I was present to two seperate lesbian romance related suicide attempts on Karenza's side, and was later ICly informed of a third succesful one. Those being the most glaring examples of poor romance RP.

 

I dont agree with the majority of this, and yes she was a poor head of staff, Hence the reason she was played as an assistant. She kiiled herself one time, so your "constant" dealing with it is an outright lie. And if you consider a hug ERP then your mistaken. Ezra for one isnt hostile toward anyone unless they have, for example, attacked him with a crowbar or something similar.

[callum99877]

Judging by your post you have clearly only seen Karenza IC and barely interacted with my other characters.

[Guest]

I'm just here to RP, and am fucking insulted by your suggestion.

 

Rebbeca Mcgrath was first introduced to me with a claim made on the general comms that her driving force is trying to fuck pretty medbay Nurses. I initially enjoyed her as a character immensely - the way I saw it, you decided to make a parody of all those classic SSLs by making the most ridiculously over the top female Johnny Bravo-esque lesbian sex fiend which I have ever seen on the server.

Imagine my horror when it slowly dawned on me when me that you were actually serious with this. Even Stamos injected a certain bit of humour in his constant sexual escapades.

Il put this out there - I am aware that a sizable number of people who play on Aurora ERP. What happens between two people of legal age on a private channel is none of my concern, I don't bother these people. However, is there anything to Rebbeca Mcgrath other than her initial claim that she will single handedly fiddle with anything female and attractive in the medbay? You are, for all intents and purposes violently pushing other players into your magical realm, here.

 

She kiiled herself one time, so your "constant" dealing with it is an outright lie.

She killed herself one time because my character was personally fucking there to save her the other two times she tried to, Callum. Even with her ultimately killing herself only once, that doesn't mean the RP wasn't horribly akward and objectively bad.

I have seen Esmee, Erza and Karenza many times over, and they each suffer from the same problem - they are completely and utterly unresponsive/unwilling to do even the most basic tasks, even when it comes to performing their duties and not simply roleplaying, unless a love interest is somehow involved in the equation. Erza Scott and Martin Anderson, your Cmo and HoS are prime examples of this, as they tend to aimlessly wander through the station completely silent, refusing to manage their department or getting lost in maintenance untill presumed dead - all unless there's a sweetheart they can tug along and whisper to. There's just an absolute unwillingness on your side to interact with anyone you don't want your character to romance, and I don't think that's becoming of someone who often puts characters like those in command positions, like you did with Karenza Rivette. I don't quite think that's very presentable for a moderator to do aswell.

[Draculabot]

Fine.

I'm done.

[Ryfer]

Okay, so right off the bat this looks like an IC issue to me. You two are equally involved in starting conflict between your characters. You both do this ICly as well, choosing to respond to conflict and let it keep on going without making any effort to stop it where it belongs: In Character. Please remember that IC and OOC are two separate things, they define how your character feels, then how you feel. Not both at once, because it clearly causes some problems. Callum, this is something I've noticed you have issues with, keeping these feelings apart from one another. When it gets to a point like this, it needs to stop. I can't say I've seen the same behavior to a high extent in Draculabot, but still feel they're an equal contributer in this issue. If it's bothering you both OOCly, stop doing it and speak to each-other. Communication is very important.

That being said, this is an issue that the both of you built up. Honestly, all I have to say is that you originally should have, and should, deal with it yourselves. Resolve it IC, or in LOOC even. A complaint was unnecessary for something of this sort. As for those posting, and planning to post. Please keep what you say civil and respectful, whilst you may have some strong opinions on the matter, it's important to keep from being insulting or too aggressive towards the others.

[Crescentise]

I haven't interacted so much with either players' characters, however, the drama their relations spread ICly is unsavoury. In my opinion, the quality of arpee went from 'somewhat interesting sour grapes' to something completely immersion-breaking in its nature. Due to the insane amount of disagreement and noise involved, I don't see this being resolved ICly even if it is an IC issue. I mean, I would commend Draculabot for making Rebecca have that epiphany in the library recently, but even that's not significant/relevant enough with regards to this problem.

Therefore, I would really implore you guys to talk it over. If you don't reach an agreement and end up continuing with this debacle, please consider making characters of entirely new origin (Callum, that means nobody related to the Scotts in the slightest) and focus on them, as Enkas suggested. Many people do this even if there's nothing wrong with their other characters - it's just objectively good to have variety, you know? I would go so far as to say nobody on the station wants to hear about this anymore. That's how far it's gone.

I believe you're both capable of rising above all of this. You can do it! etc. c:

[callum99877]

I would go so far as to say nobody on the station wants to hear about this anymore. That's how far it's gone.

 

I dont want t hear about it anymore.

Ive tried resolving it IC, this is why i joined as other characters to act as a "bridge" to resolve the needless conflict.

Its not been possible to resolve IC and so ive had to resolve it OOC.

[Frances]

I'm not gonna walk in and ask everybody kiss and make up, but judging from your respective posts, you both seem fairly tense about the issue in an OOC perspective.

Wouldn't it be better to take a calmer and more positive attitude to resolve this? I doubt anybody here is actually out for blood, but neither of you seem to be projecting your intents well.

As Ryfer said, time to take a step back, and figure out how this can be resolved amicably between players?

[Erik Tiber]

I would like to note that there have, in fact, been interactions between Rivette and other characters not related to romance. One glaring example is Karenza running up to a sobbing Lilac, punching her and taking away Lilac's toy monkey because she thought Lilac was the one that ripped its head off, and then drinking herself into oblivion when Lockie gave her a mild scolding and telling her to not jump to conclusions. I think it's a problem when a character's primary method of interaction with others consists of some variety of self harm. Especially when they are a head of staff. Although this incident is not directly relevant, it serves to demonstrate very wide reaching problems with Karenza as a character.

I am quite confident in the abilities of Xander's IAA to resolve the situation ICly, provided that Callum complies with the IAA's decision, as the situation is exceedingly clear cut. It would likely involve something along the lines of a mandatory psychiatric evaluation (likely resulting in mandatory psychiatric hospitalization for 48 hours or more), in combination with some disciplinary action possibly extending to demotion.

I do not see too many issues with McGrath as a character, personally, and I don't see them as being either the primary instigator or primarily responsible for the situation. McGrath is rather promiscuous, but they are emotionally and mentally stable to such a degree that any negative reaction at all will not push them to suicide or alcoholism.

Edit: However, I do think Callum should attempt to make less unstable characters in the future, or at least make them maintain the bare minimum of functionality required to not be involuntarily admitted to a psychiatric hospital.

EDIT2: Oh yeah, McGrath did try stealing Tina from Karenza. Whoops, that's a thing. Well, that's fine and dandy, but Karenza really should.. I dunno, maybe try to keep her personal and professional life separate, or maybe not react with suicide. How long had Karenza actually been dating Tina anyway? They barely even knew each other. They weren't living together. And yet Karenza, who barely knows Tina, is resorting to suicide and attempts it three times. She's not mentally competent to operate in adult society, let alone as a head of staff. Normal people are able to handle rejection without committing suicide. Of course we're not all playing normal people, but... well, past a certain point mandatory psych evals should really be handed out.

[Ryfer]

Seems to be resolved after to speaking to both people involved.

Locking and archiving.