SierraKomodo Posted June 26, 2015 Posted June 26, 2015 I think we need to look at adjusting/replacing/generally changing around some of the forms in the database, to better fit what we currently know and understand as regulations and protocol. I'm not sure what the best way to go about suggesting these adjustments is, but for now I'm going to go one form at a time (As I personally see issues with forms), put them up in a single thread, make my suggestion, and see if anybody has anything they want to add/change based on what I've suggested. Then, see if the admins approve of the change and the devs want to put it into effect. Firstly, I'm looking at NCF-0106 [Execution]. Currently, this form implies being able to print it out, fill it out, and sign/stamp it as a Tribunal to authorize an execution - Except we don't have tribunals, and the current lore law states that executions persons that are not an immediate threat to crew must be approved by Central Command. Below is the current form as it exists in the database, I believe (I took this from here: http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=59 which may not be 100% up to date), and below that is what I suggest using for this form instead NCF-0106 [Execution] [small] [center][b]NanoTrasen Inc. Civilian Branch of Operation[/b] Form 0106 Execution[/center] [hr]Facility: NSS Aurora Date: [field] Index: [field] This form permits the execution of the denoted employee of the NanoTrasen Civilian Branch. This action may be undertaken as a result of a Legal Tribunal conducted aboard a NanoTrasen Space Station, in accordance with corresponding articles of Space Law. Employee: [field] Method: [field] Reason:[list][field][/list][hr]Captain: [field] Tribunal Member Stamps[/small] NCF-0106 [Execution Request] [small] [center][b]NanoTrasen Inc. Civilian Branch of Operation[/b] Form 0106 Execution Request[/center] [hr]Facility: NSS Aurora Date: [field] Index: [field] This form is a formal request for the authorized execution of the denoted employee of the NanoTrasen Civilian Branch. This action may be undertaken only as a result of the approval of Central Command officials. Employee: [field] Method: [field] Reason:[list][field][/list][hr] Supervising Head of Staff: [field][/small] This changes the purpose of the form from authorizing an execution following a tribunal/by having the captain just sign off, to requesting permission from Central Command to perform the execution, which better fits in with the current established lore/law.
Guest Posted June 26, 2015 Posted June 26, 2015 We dont have executions at all anymore . Its illegal in Biesel law and we removed the execution room.
SierraKomodo Posted June 27, 2015 Author Posted June 27, 2015 We dont have executions at all anymore . Its illegal in Biesel law and we removed the execution room. I havent been told that by lore persons; Jackboot's in the DO chat when we discuss faxxes regarding executions that we do receive.
Guest Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 Sierra. Check the Lore Questions Board, Jackboots post regarding spacelaw.
SierraKomodo Posted June 29, 2015 Author Posted June 29, 2015 Sierra. Check the Lore Questions Board, Jackboots post regarding spacelaw. I'm not seeing this in the lore questions or answered questions section?
Guest Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=73&t=2858 Capital punishment is not legal.
Vanagandr Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=73&t=2858 Capital punishment is not legal. Strictly speaking, executing someone who can't be contained- wiz, say -wouldn't count as capital punishment, though.
Guest Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 If they can't be contained, you are not going to take the time to file an execution request to Central, you're going to do the logical thing and shoot down the most likely: Ling, Wizard, Murderer.
Vanagandr Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 If they can't be contained, you are not going to take the time to file an execution request to Central, you're going to do the logical thing and shoot down the most likely: Ling, Wizard, Murderer. Retroactive arse-covering?
Guest Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 If they can't be contained, you are not going to take the time to file an execution request to Central, you're going to do the logical thing and shoot down the most likely: Ling, Wizard, Murderer. Yes you are, it's called making sure that you don't get fired for killing someone when you get back from work. because how the hell are CC going to know that the person you killed was a Ling, Wizard, Murderer. Oh wait killing a Murderer is capital punishment.
Guest Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 If they cannot be contained, I believe we were under the assumption that they are actively fighting Security. Capital punishment is defined as: the legally authorized killing of someone as punishment for a crime Killing someone/thing actively fighting Sec or killing others by shooting a few lasers in its head while it runs at you is NOT capital punishment, it has not been authorized, it will not be authorized, there is no capital punishment in Biesel and thus, no murder will ever be a legally authorized killing. It will always be murder or self/other-defense. Think, Nuke-Ops are raiding the station, you don't FAX CC for permission to use lethals, the Head of Security or Captain makes the decision on whether lethals are probably necessary, and then they give permission to Security to use them as required to defend the station and themselves. People need to stop including CC in EVERY decision thats made onboard. We need MORE independence from the Admins and DOs, its impossible to have fun or do anything when every choice you have to make must go through a higher power which can take up to 30-minutes to fax back with an answer.
Guest Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Think, Nuke-Ops are raiding the station, you don't FAX CC for permission to use lethals, the Head of Security or Captain makes the decision on whether lethals are probably necessary, and then they give permission to Security to use them as required to defend the station and themselves. People need to stop including CC in EVERY decision thats made onboard. We need MORE independence from the Admins and DOs, its impossible to have fun or do anything when every choice you have to make must go through a higher power which can take up to 30-minutes to fax back with an answer. Nope. You (and I, and he, and she, and they) all have rules to abide by as a head of staff. First and foremost, Command staff listens to CC. They ask for advisement on certain situations (including nukeops, unless you don't want an ERT I guess, that's your problem) and then execute orders based on their response, exactly how they want it done. Anything outside of those rather simple parameters is absolutely unacceptable for efficiency's sake. Welcome to playing command staff, Xander. You have a responsibility and that is to ensure the round is going smoothly without mucking it up for anybody. This can and will cut into your 'fun'. Might I also add, as to the DOCorps' mission statement and what it pertains to? Right, I'll do that. The DOCorps' mission is to ensure someone is there to curb the elitism and prejudice that is occurring amongst the regular members of the community. We don't dispatch with a full escort to fire a bald chemist, that's somebody else's job. What we do, however, is punish those taking advantage of their regular status within the community to ensure transparency is shown, and a community is being nurtured to be healthy and welcoming to newcomers. We're also here to ensure command staff has a higher power to answer to on a more regular and available basis as opposed to admins answering every fax painstakingly. We're a specialist group, and so far it's been working effectively. We also have an SOP to adhere to. We go through the proper channels before making any major decision, though often major decisions are stalled due to the occasional red tape involved. Also, what Scopes said. Killing someone as an authority because the offender did something is capital punishment, period. Imagine what the Central Command official that pulls in every command staff member for debriefing at the end of a shift would say if they found out you killed someone without telling CC beforehand what went on. If you personally and willfully kill a nuke op on-station, then you CAN be charged for nothing less than first degree murder according to space law, since capital punishment is illegal. Criminal status doesn't matter if you didn't tell anyone what was going on. End of line. -------------line ends here.
witchbells Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 I am going to politely request that you calm the fuck down, Xander. People need to stop including CC in EVERY decision thats made onboard. We need MORE independence from the Admins and DOs, its impossible to have fun or do anything when every choice you have to make must go through a higher power which can take up to 30-minutes to fax back with an answer. The Duty Officer corps was created to give eyes, ears, and a face to Central Command authority. They are the ultimate authority that Nanotrasen staff answers to, including command staff. Duty Officers are not your enemy. They are here to keep everyone accountable, including command staff. Let me reiterate that. Command staff are not the highest authority. They have people they answer to, which is why the DO system is in place, aside from having IC reports.
SierraKomodo Posted July 1, 2015 Author Posted July 1, 2015 Alright so ignoring the irrelevant discussion on usage of lethal/non lethal response to a lethal, uncontained threat... This form is apparently irrelevant to the current in character laws and regulations, in that executions are against Biesel law entirely. So, unless that's going to change, the execution form may as well be removed entirely from the database.
Guest Marlon Phoenix Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 We could just change it to a request to force someone into cyborgification.
Guest Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Thread purged of flaming, do not start attacking people in suggestion threads.
SierraKomodo Posted July 1, 2015 Author Posted July 1, 2015 We could just change it to a request to force someone into cyborgification. Cyborgification request possibly, but from my understanding thats covered under regulation as something command staff can authorize without contacting CC first (But requiring the borgified person's permission in the form of a signed waiver)
Guest Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 So from capital punishment to forced slavery? My characters have a huge problem with getting turned into a cyborg, one of them it's dangerous as they can't handle it.
Guest Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Cyborgification isn't really considered capital punishment. Freedom is entirely subjective in a workplace, anyway, and the overseeing government doesn't want to hear about synthetic enslavement to begin with, so unless someone gets loud about it, they just... let it slide.
TishinaStalker Posted July 2, 2015 Posted July 2, 2015 Actually, you can make a pretty good case for cyborgification being capital punishment as lore stands. MMI'd brain means *everything* that made you Human is now gone. Your memories, your personality, etc. You are no longer you, but instead a machine now owned by a mega corporation; You as a whole are, essentially, dead.
jackfractal Posted July 2, 2015 Posted July 2, 2015 That was the lore until I rewrote it, and it was accepted by Jackboot as of last month. It's still not up on the wiki (I still don't know why), but the lore has been changed. Thought manipulation technology is independent of cyborgization technology. Both exist, but they are not the same. The lore about cyborgs using wetware only as auxiliary processors is not canon anymore, despite it still being up on the wiki.
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