The Security Staff of the secret round at 6 PST on 10/15

[LetzShake]

BYOND Key: Letz Shake

Player Byond Key: Not sure.

Reason for complaint: So during the course of this round, Samantha Mason's speech impediment became a subject of public discussion, and some people ridiculed it or expressed doubt about its legitimacy including my character. This led to Cirno Y'orney assaulting my character in retaliation. I tried to walk away at first, but when they kept pursuing, I fought back, and after trying to walk away several more times and being attacked, I kept fighting until eventually we were separated by crew.

Now because I was playing a bald assistant, and because I'd said something their character didn't like on a personal level, security chose to treat me differently than they probably would've treated anyone else. So they did quite a few things wrong during the course of the incident

1. I was not given proper medical treatment. My character's eyes and face were badly damaged due to the assault and were not treated before security hauled me off.

2. I was charged with assault for the self-defense. Rather than being charged with attempted murder for beating me nearly to death (broken skull, broken face, and they never stopped attacking) Cirno was also charged with assault. A

3. I was not given a chance to defend myself against the charges. Security made up their mind to arrest me for assault without hearing any witnesses (there were at least two) or giving me a chance to officially give my side of the story, nevermind an opportunity for a trial which is a right outlined in space law. My headset was taken away to keep me from contacting the head of security or an IAA , while Cirno's was not.

4. When finally able to talk to the head of security, he ignored corporate regulations/space law, saying there was no right to have a trials or tribunals granted, and literally said "space law isn't a thing".

5. When I adminhelped the issue, early on, I was brushed off by Tablespoon who said that security systematically abusing their power was a purely IC issue, which I disagree with, entirely. I think people abusing their jobs and doing them entirely wrong.

6. A number of things unrelated to my incident were taken from my possession and not returned. Security officers took my silver coin, insulated gloves (which I can excuse), and Drengr, out of spite, extinguished my cigar rather than putting it away. Again, minor, but it contributes to the overall picture of the poor play by security

Not all of the security in the round was abusive. One allowed me to have my headset back. But Jakob Drengr, Imraj Brar and in particular head of security Alex Noels were abusive of their power and did a poor job of roleplaying security simply because the person they were dealing with was an assistant.

[Susan]

A right to a trial is not guaranteed in corporate regulations - and Space Law isn't a thing. It has henceforth been renamed to corporate regulations, so Pumpking was in the right to say that it 'isn't a thing'. It is a stupid name. Moreover, you should not have expected a trial to begin with. Trials are civil proceedings held by federally appointed officials, of which there are none on station. NanoTrasen has no authority to perform a trial because it is not a government entity.

Another thing to note is that when charges of 'attempted murder' or 'assault with intent to kill' are tossed around, the primary decision is the motive and the intention of the suspect. If security finds sufficient evidence to corroborate that indeed the woman hitting you was purposely trying to end your life then 'attempted murder' would apply. However, I am assuming they did not, and as such the charge did not stick. There are multiple crimes specific to both homicide and assault; judging from your recollection the geneticist was probably only guilty of assault with intent to kill given the situation. There is a distinct difference between these sentences and laws.

[LetzShake]

They absolutely never stopped attacking me, even when I was on the ground and near death. Intent to kill could not have been clearer. And trials/tribunals are indeed in the Space Law/Corporate Regulations. Unless this server uses a different set from baystation which should be made a bit more clear if it does because I haven't seen that written anywhere visible.,

[Chaznoodles]

Can you say how badly you were injured?

Security should be of a higher standard than this, seeing as to how they are supposed to interact with a crew. As for a trial, in Space Law, it is left to the choice of the Security force at the time to determine if they have the required manpower and time.

[LetzShake]

I fell unconscious very quickly after I was taken into the medbay. I THINK I went into crit, but I'm not sure because of the pain system. But injured enough to have facial reconstruction, a skull fracture, and badly damaged vision. So it was really bad and they didn't stop attacking me until I was dragged away to the medbay.

[Baka]

Hi, Sam Mason here. I dunno if I should say anything regarding the matter because I'm not the one making the complaint, but I can tell you all the damage level he was at.

I actually took him to Medbay via cryobag because his health meter was flashing, there was blood, and he was bleeding. Although he was at critical upon arrival, it was enough to just put him in -1, with a bleeding head (not internal bleeding). But by the time he was in critical and my arrival to the care there were people breaking up the fight. You were bandaged and placed into cryo by me, and then in the scanner. I called out your injuries over medical radio (which was a skull fracture), and left it at that since there was a medical doctor/surgeon on board.

That's all I have to say on the matter.

[Susan]

No, it literally isn't, Chaznoodles. This is important to establish - trials are not and never will be a thing. Ignoring the common sense fact that a trial is held by a government and NanoTrasen as a corporation does not have the authority to hold them, does not employ public servants like judges who can tender an impartial verdict, has no jury system (as jurors must be picked specifically and the defense can dismiss jurors based on their life experiences, ie a rape case and a juror is a rape victim) and does not have the legal authority to sentence in place of the Alliance.

Tribunals are what you're looking for, and tribunals are only needed to be held in the event of a capital crime (ie murder, sabotage, or anything that might permabrig someone) at Command's discretion.

Security was not in the wrong to forgo a tribunal as it wasn't necessary.

[Chaznoodles]

Cool your jets. I think we all knew what I meant by a trial, and if you'd read properly, I said they weren't guaranteed to happen.

Now, back to the topic at hand, instead of attempting to browbeat me. Did Security, at any point, take note of your injuries? Would it be possible to get any of the Security force who were online at the time to post their side?

[Guest]

According to the HoS they just dragged Art to the brig after only getting minimal treatment for his wounds and slapped on the charge of assault for what was actually self-defense. Assault with malicious intent to maim CAN be classified as attempted murder in some cases, but security decided to brig both of them for assault because of lack of knowledge of the incident.

Additionally, I as the captain that round was getting a psychological evaluation, blah blah blah meow meow meow, so I couldn't deal with the breach of protocol as I wish I could.

[TishinaStalker]

I was an officer that round, I had been playing Rebecca Inn (the blue haired security officer). Allow me to respond to the complaint's points in the order they were presented from my point of view:

1) I honestly did not know your face was damaged since I never took a moment to examine you, mouse you over to see that you were unknown or interacted with you through a mechanic that would say Unknown (As Art Dilligence). I apologize for this because had I noticed, then I definitely would've asked the HoS to take you to the medical bay.

2) I did not know of what your charges were. I joined in after they had occurred, and all I was told to do was to update both you and Cirno's records to reflect the Assault charge.

3) Basically what Sue said about the trial. Jakob Drengr was in the wrong to not give you your headset, and when you actually did tell me (I was AFK for a big portion that you saw me at the desk because of wifi issues and studying for a midterm) about the headset I went in to give it back to you. As a side note, the IAA was SSD at that time, and hadn't returned for quite some time.

4) Already discussed.

5) Not really related to me...

6) I think it should be added that the silver coin you had, had a wire attached through it when I glanced over. Personally, I didn't know you could do that, and I'm not sure if one could remove the wire through wire cutters, but if it was, then I think it's kinda crappy to not have returned the coin. Also... It's just a cigar, man... I won't lie, it was kinda funny when he extinguished the cigar because it felt like a real slap to the face, and I think you could somewhat argue as it being destruction of your property despite seeming petty.

As a conclusion, I know you probably tried RPing the pain when I was at the desk, and I'm deeply sorry that I hadn't noticed it or I would've acted upon it and what not by getting you to medical and ensuring you got surgery. Sorry if that was an issue on my part!

[LetzShake]

No, it literally isn't, Chaznoodles. This is important to establish - trials are not and never will be a thing.

Ignoring the common sense fact that a trial is held by a government and NanoTrasen as a corporation does not have the authority to hold them, does not employ public servants like judges who can tender an impartial verdict, has no jury system (as jurors must be picked specifically and the defense can dismiss jurors based on their life experiences, ie a rape case and a juror is a rape victim) and does not have the legal authority to sentence in place of the Alliance.

Tribunals are what you're looking for, and tribunals are only needed to be held in the event of a capital crime (ie murder, sabotage, or anything that might permabrig someone) at Command's discretion.

Security was not in the wrong to forgo a tribunal as it wasn't necessary.

 

Really just being pedantic about trial vs tribunal because the exact wording isn't the important part the concept is. Even if the procedures are not the same, the goal and concept are. A fair hearing for someone accused of a crime. And nowhere in corporate regulations does it say Tribunals are just for capital crimes. It does say don't ask for a tribunal for a sentence under ten minutes, because it's a stupid waste of time. But no other limits are placed on it.

 

According to the HoS they just dragged Art to the brig after only getting minimal treatment for his wounds and slapped on the charge of assault for what was actually self-defense. Assault with malicious intent to maim CAN be classified as attempted murder in some cases, but security decided to brig both of them for assault because of lack of knowledge of the incident.

 

And I appreciate the IC help you gave. You handled the situation as well as you could. My problem with the HoS is he knew what was happening and laughed off any IC complaints of protocol or mistreatment until he was confronted by you later. As for lack of knowledge, they did no investigation into it at all, which goes back to my call for a hearing. There were two eyewitnesses to the fight, though I can't remember who, specifically.

And as for you Tishina, you did just fine, you were the specific officer I had in mind when I wrote.

 

Not all of the security in the round was abusive. One allowed me to have my headset back.

 

The main ones were Noels, Drengr, and Brar. I think one or two of the others were idly laughing about it and saying to put me in a strait jacket or something but since I can't honestly remember I wouldn't blame them.

As for the coin with the wire... they said it was contraband. I don't think it really is. It's arguable, I guess, so that's a point I'd cede if an unbiased staff member were to come in and agree that it is.

Also I think they took or lost my rainbow hat but I couldn't prove that it wasn't dropped when I went into cryo or at some other point, since my character was in and out of consciousness the whole time. Again, not super important, but it adds to the whole picture

 

Now, back to the topic at hand, instead of attempting to browbeat me. Did Security, at any point, take note of your injuries? Would it be possible to get any of the Security force who were online at the time to post their side?

 

They absolutely did. As I was being initially dragged out of the medbay I told them that I wasn't finished being treated, couldn't see, and my face was still destroyed. They didn't care.