moltenkore Posted August 28, 2015 Posted August 28, 2015 I was thinking, it would be cool if IPC could speak the race language they were a shell of, this would give shells a lot more depth. Of course in order to do this the person must be white listed for both IPC and the race they are trying to shell. So for Silk'Maas a person must be whitlisted for Tajaran aswell as IPC. I'm wondering how hard this would be to pull of code wise.. hmm.
Guest Posted August 28, 2015 Posted August 28, 2015 As I said on server, it's a species restriction. If you want to be a Tajaran/Unathi then be one of them, if you want to be a shell, be one. But you can't have everything in one. Unless there is a very clear "this person is an IPC" marker (That is not from examining them) and IPC get restricted on what they can wear by what shell they have on, I am very unlikely to add this.
moltenkore Posted August 28, 2015 Author Posted August 28, 2015 Yeah, that was another thing I was going to bring up. At the moment race shells are not restricted to race only hardsuits and gloves etc. If that was added would this be reconsidered? And also, right now there is no real 'this person is a shell' marker anyway.
SilverTalismen Posted August 28, 2015 Posted August 28, 2015 Yeah, that was another thing I was going to bring up. At the moment race shells are not restricted to race only hardsuits and gloves etc. If that was added would this be reconsidered? And also, right now there is no real 'this person is a shell' marker anyway. Unless your somesort of horrible chimera creature with multiple colors, then its obvious
Guest Posted August 28, 2015 Posted August 28, 2015 Unsure about if they are added, but what I can say is while the two things I said are around (or not in the case of "this person is a shell") we won't be giving IPC's extra abilitys.
LordFowl Posted August 28, 2015 Posted August 28, 2015 It's about what's on the inside, not the outside. If I were to go hunting and kill an ape and wear its skin I wouldn't suddenly be able to speak chimpanzee.
Reyjakai Posted August 28, 2015 Posted August 28, 2015 IPCs already sort of have a language. They're given Tradeband, which has sort of been adopted by synthetics anyway on the station. It is pretty handy being able to speak both tradeband and sign, too.
Guest Posted August 28, 2015 Posted August 28, 2015 Baycode initially intended for IPCs to have their own robotspeak without it being AI binary. Tradeband was an unfinished placeholder. not unlike many things baycode makes
Alberyk Posted August 29, 2015 Posted August 29, 2015 It's about what's on the inside, not the outside. If I were to go hunting and kill an ape and wear its skin I wouldn't suddenly be able to speak chimpanzee. But, the ipcs can have mmis in the place of the posibrain, so, they could be human, unathi or tajaran brains, which would know the language, by the way.
LordFowl Posted August 29, 2015 Posted August 29, 2015 Typically MMIs are wiped of their past memories, so I don't see a reason why they would know the language of their species.
Reyjakai Posted August 29, 2015 Posted August 29, 2015 Typically MMIs are wiped of their past memories, so I don't see a reason why they would know the language of their species. Well that depends on the individual backstory. A way to fix this would be to have two languages allowed for IPCs, based on their origin. Posibrain synthetics would have a synthetic language and one of their choice, human MMIs would have common and another language, etc. for the rest of the races. With this, you could actually have a whitelist for IPCs and the specific races. That way, even if an IPC re-skins themselves as another species, a true IPC from that species would be able to speak the language. You'd need to add different MMIs based on the species they came from, however. Just a thought.
EvilBrage Posted August 29, 2015 Posted August 29, 2015 Because we wouldn't want any verbal cues that they're not the race they look like, now, would we? I said this while it was a mere suggestion and I'll say it again: the 'shell' thing was, is, and will forever be a stupid idea. I have no clue what led anyone to think the implementation was a good idea, given the mechanical advantages of the IPC, but I think we've gone far enough with it.
jackfractal Posted August 29, 2015 Posted August 29, 2015 Typically MMIs are wiped of their past memories, so I don't see a reason why they would know the language of their species. That's what the lore used to be, but that's been changed. MMI's are no longer obliged to remove memories but the process of being implanted in an MMI, especially from someone who experience violence beforehand, is typically fairly traumatic. Some short term memory loss is expected (do not yell out who murdered you, that is bad form).
Dreamix Posted August 29, 2015 Posted August 29, 2015 I am against it, we already have unoriginal IPC's that look, talk and act exactly like their organic counterparts. If IPC's could select alien race's languages, what would this encourage? Another tajaras, that secretly are IPC's? Or normal TV-heads that know alien languages for no reason? But, I'm all for race indicators when examining. We already have IPC's that look, talk and act exactly like their organic counterparts. There was an incident, when one of those security IPC's was attacked by nuke ops with tasers. Did not went well for ops.
EvilBrage Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Give them the little description add-on that a changeling using digital camouflage has. Something about being uncanny. That, or give them their own custom descriptor that's added to every IPC; despite the technological advances, I'm sure that IPC-people wouldn't be entirely indistinguishable from their organic counterparts. Let's see how many people still want to play 'shells' when they've got an "EMP me" sign on their back for antagonists to exploit like the rest of the IPC's, eh?
jackfractal Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 I did intend on adding a "They look robotic" thing to IPC's Examine text when I first did the Shell update. That was an oversight that it's not in there. I can't remember if it's in my bugfix pull that has yet to go live. I can't think of a way to put it in their icons though. 32x32 sprites are too tiny!
Alberyk Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Give them the little description add-on that a changeling using digital camouflage has. Something about being uncanny. That, or give them their own custom descriptor that's added to every IPC; despite the technological advances, I'm sure that IPC-people wouldn't be entirely indistinguishable from their organic counterparts. Let's see how many people still want to play 'shells' when they've got an "EMP me" sign on their back for antagonists to exploit like the rest of the IPC's, eh? Bay has something like that, when you examine a non-humam after its names shows the species they belong, for example; This is Urist MacLizard, an unathi.
Loow Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 I am glad that this thread did bring up interesting topics regarding the original ideas behind the IPC linguistic ability and the like. That said,I see no good reason to add alien languages to the long list of reasons why people should make IPC's their preferred race. (If people are serious about wanting to make an optional alternate language similar to AI binary for the IPC's, it may be interesting to read a thread on it or to write one.) I'm afraid that the IPC shells may discourage people from trying "new things" with these races by keeping one IPC character that may simply switch shells. I highly recommend making a character of one of the other races in addition to IPC's. It often proves to be an interesting exercise in RP and a chance to make a character that others may enjoy. IPC shells with alien languages will just make the possibility of a "fresh" Unathi or Tajara character even less likely.
Loow Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 I am glad that this thread did bring up interesting topics regarding the original ideas behind the IPC linguistic ability and the like. That said,I see no good reason to add alien languages to the long list of reasons why people should make IPC's their preferred race. (If people are serious about wanting to make an optional alternate language similar to AI binary for the IPC's, it may be interesting to read a thread on it or to write one.) I'm afraid that the IPC shells may discourage people from trying "new things" with these races by keeping one IPC character that may simply switch shells. I highly recommend making a character of one of the other races in addition to IPC's. It often proves to be an interesting exercise in RP and a chance to make a character that others may enjoy. IPC shells with alien languages will just make the possibility of a "fresh" Unathi or Tajara character even less likely.
Killerhurtz Posted September 29, 2015 Posted September 29, 2015 Just putting this out there: active posibrains understand all languages. So it's not a brain restriction. It might not be lore, but there's SOMETHING in the body that prevents them from speaking other languages.
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