Guest Posted November 4, 2014 Posted November 4, 2014 I'm going to take a moment to write up a complaint for rage driven summary execution of a non-antagonist who was unarmed and already in custody.
EvilBrage Posted November 5, 2014 Posted November 5, 2014 File all the complaints you want to, but that doesn't make your actions any less wrong; I don't think you're understanding that at all.
LetzShake Posted November 5, 2014 Posted November 5, 2014 I'd say it does, really. You escalated to lethal force first. She didn't have much reason to suspect you wouldn't kill her too.
Guest Posted November 5, 2014 Posted November 5, 2014 I understand what happened EvilBrage. You have said your piece and I said mine. I've made it clear what I think and why I did what I did and its up to the community to decide what happens. I have no doubt that Susan will be there to apply action if and when something similar happens. They've been very attentive thus far.
Frances Posted November 5, 2014 Posted November 5, 2014 Opposing the entire station to break someone out of permabrig and then throwing explosive grenades at the security team is definitely flat out self-antagging. Did you even ahelp for permission before going to break someone out of perma during an extended round? Being in science does not allow you to go rambo with science equipment simply because you feel like it, or must perpetuate a vendetta against anybody who isn't your department. The rules clearly state to stick to "sane, balanced characters", and going to break someone out of containment at your workplace without a thought (breaking down a window from space was involved) and chucking grenades at people certainly does make you a little unhinged, if not at least very extreme. I'm tempted to give out a jobban for this, but I'll wait for input from another admin first.
Guest Posted November 5, 2014 Posted November 5, 2014 I'll accept any judgement you have to give. For clarification: the window was the window to permabrig. There were space suits and another accomplice from science involved. I didn't do all this randomly and without thought, I did it in a measured and planned fashion. The only mistake came from the grenade and if I could do all of this again I would do it sans the explosion. Perhaps I identify with the people who work under me too strongly. Perhaps I think leaving someone in a straightjacket in solitary holding for over 30 minutes for nonviolent crimes isn't an appropriate punishment. Maybe I go too far to help science team members. My IC reasoning wasn't "zomg genticist in trouble better bomb the brig" it was to save someone I considered to be valuable research data, a good work and the next potential step in human evolution. They had unlocked every genetic power in less then an hour shift. If they hadn't been taunting security and Casaval the HoP after rescue then they wouldn't have led on a goose chase that frustrated and embarassed them as they breached the core and were stunned repeatedly by the turrets. That was on them, and makes me question the worth of letting them go. In all honesty they traded one cell for another.
Frances Posted November 5, 2014 Posted November 5, 2014 I'll accept any judgement you have to give. For clarification: the window was the window to permabrig. There were space suits and another accomplice from science involved. I didn't do all this randomly and without thought, I did it in a measured and planned fashion. The only mistake came from the grenade and if I could do all of this again I would do it sans the explosion. Perhaps I identify with the people who work under me too strongly. Perhaps I think leaving someone in a straightjacket in solitary holding for over 30 minutes for nonviolent crimes isn't an appropriate punishment. Maybe I go too far to help science team members. My IC reasoning wasn't "zomg genticist in trouble better bomb the brig" it was to save someone I considered to be valuable research data, a good work and the next potential step in human evolution. They had unlocked every genetic power in less then an hour shift. If they hadn't been taunting security and Casaval the HoP then they wouldn't have led on a goose chase that frustrated and embarassed them as they breached the core and were stunned repeatedly by the turrets. It does not matter how well organized or roleplayed your actions are - if you do things such as breaking into permabrig as a non-antag without ahelping for permission beforehand, you will be flagged for self-antagging. If you see someone being left in a straightjacket for an extended amount of time without roleplay, ahelp it, or let them ahelp it (as they should be able to express themselves should there be an issue) - do not take the matter into your own hands. The only thing that gives you the right to engage in overtly antagonistic or disruptive IC actions as a non-antag is explicit permission from staff. In fact, most of this (besides the grenade toss) would have been something I think we'd have allowed, had you taken the time to ahelp. The fact you decided to disregard server rules on that matter is the most incriminating thing against you here.
Guest Posted November 5, 2014 Posted November 5, 2014 I see that's a consistent problem I have, neglecting to ahelp actions like these. I don't do it out of rebelliousness, I suppose I have it written in my head that's this is only something I should do as a ghost or to make a complaint. I don't make any excuses for that or deny that I have been wrong in that regard. You make a reasoned point and I accept any judgement for this that you deem necessary to impress the rule to me.
Frances Posted November 5, 2014 Posted November 5, 2014 I see that's a consistent problem I have, neglecting to ahelp actions like these. I don't do it out of rebelliousness, I suppose I have it written in my head that's this is only something I should do as a ghost or to make a complaint. I don't make any excuses for that or deny that I have been wrong in that regard. You make a reasoned point and I accept any judgement for this that you deem necessary to impress the rule to me. Then take some time to demonstrate to us that you can restrain yourself in using science's toys, and ask for permission when appropriate. I could either jobban you and unban you after some arbitrary amount of time under the assumption that "time has passed, they must've learned their lesson", or assume you've actually taken the advice given here to heart, and give you a chance to prove yourself now. I'd much prefer to do the latter, so don't disappoint me.
Guest Posted November 5, 2014 Posted November 5, 2014 (edited) I just sent you a message but it seems you responded here first while I was writing it, so I'll reiterate my words for the public. I'd like to take a third option, if that's available, to voluntarily step away and do other characters and roles for a time. The stress of RD has been causing me to act in erratic and occasionally powermad ways. I've seen this grow worse over time, as well as my response to being called out for it. I learn best when I still feel my options are open. With your consent, as well as the word of others involved (Evilbrage and the player of Jed Rosentheel; a guard killed in the blast), I'd like to take that third option. I intend to vacate the role of RD, and also the character of Lucy Sparks, for a number of weeks to a month or more by my own volition and with the blessing of the community and the aggrieved. Edited November 5, 2014 by Guest
Frances Posted November 5, 2014 Posted November 5, 2014 I just sent you a message but it seems you responded here first while I was writing it, so I'll reiterate my words for the public. I'd like to take a third option, if that's available, to voluntarily step away and do other characters and roles. The stress of RD has been causing me to act in erratic and occasionally powermad ways. I've seen this grow worse over time, as well as my response to being called out for it. I learn best when I still feel my options are open. With your consent, as well as the word of others involved (Evilbrage and the player of Jed Rosentheel; a guard killed in the blast), I'd like to take that third option. You are free to do that, since as I said, you're not jobbanned. Science, and RD, are still open to you, should you wish to play them. I'm simply expecting that you understand what you've done (which you seem to), and make sure you are ready to take the steps to avoid further incidents, when you go back to playing those roles. If you want to take a break from them for the time being, I encourage you to. That seems like a respectable idea.
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