[Accepted] Planet Europa Pulchrae

[Vittorio Giurifiglio]

serious question. Why would all the various european countries, that honestly, don't like each other incredibly much, unite under a single monarch? When most of them are now democracies, and the EU is a comittee?

You misunderstood me, They are a confederation, they each have kings, they each are Democracies, the NEU is basically the EU, slightly federalized

[Gollee]

So it is the EU, that moved to space? That seems pretty alright to me, though I doubt they would all go to royalty.

[Vittorio Giurifiglio]

So it is the EU, that moved to space? That seems pretty alright to me, though I doubt they would all go to royalty.

Yeah I was thinking about removing a few of the planets anyways, And just keep two planets that could actually realistically be in one Habitable zone

[Skull132]

Explain to me how it would be unrealistic.

 

Very simply, I can do this: I am here, now, discussing this with you in English.

This means, what? That national identity is a rather frail little thing. Or, at least, the way you describe it to be with this nation. I sincerely doubt that the EU, and the nations that it governs, will exist in their current form (something which your nation expects) for that long. Most likely a federalized state, will be what takes over. At which point, national identity will play an even lesser role.

Further more, ultranationalism and isolationism, something which, again, your nation has as an expectation for existance, are very damning. Specially when we're talking about establishment of colonies in space.

And this little gem,

 

You have no idea what I have considered nor thought of and I would like if you stop insinuating what I have and have not done.

 

I am not insinuating. I based my reply on yours, which clambered to, amusingly enough, the paragraph written in a sarcastic tone of voice. Tell me something, how will we benefit from adding this nation to the lore? The existence of comparable alternatives already suggests that this would be redundant. The ultranationalistic approach would ensure that it only tailors to a very few individuals (chiefly, you, no?), which will result in this being discarded and never actually actively used (without a requirement for buy-ins, I guarantee, not many would have even taken note).

For a moment, see the bigger picture here, Vittorio. What is the point of having lore, when everyone creates their own little piece of spess? There is none. Lore is a binding element, one which needs to be populated by player activity, and not expanded onto infinity.

And if I come off as vindictive, or as an arse, then I apologize. But it's a point I believe must be battled over.

[Guest]

Right. Naturally, there are several basic principles regarding spess, and the places, people and things that inhabit it.

-There are lots of organizations, yeah? But very few of any of the said organizations would be known as household names throughout the sector. One organization can claim more relevance or more power over another at any given time, and forcefully reign in a new world order whenever it's convenient. Each organization has a different culture and lifestyle, so they deal with things differently.

-Spess is infinite. Sol is not. They have clearly defined boundaries. How are we gonna fit a bunch of european rip-off spess nations into one cluster? They're very different, they're going to have underlying issues between the rest of them, leading to conflict so that one nation will push out the other and gain more territory. Ironically, there isn't enough space in space.

-Consider this organization you're suggesting. Do we really need an unhealthy blend of individual groups colliding into one supernation that don't think, act, or say the same things all the time? Like I said, each nation has their own culture and method in doing things. How do these nations benefit from each other if their best interests are constantly clashing? There's no communication whatsoever. At least NT loyalty implants potential high-ranking dissenters/threats to their goal, as insurance. You can't loyalty implant every single New European, can you?

-Furthermore. Who is the super special snowflake that even managed to group these assholes up together into this groupthink? How can anyone make such a new world order without even making waves within Sol Alliance/NT airwaves? In which case, SA/NT would consider NEURNO as a threat and would make efforts to liquidate such an organization that gained footing so damn quickly under one guy. Actually, wait, it's a subsidary of Sol. But Sol Gov would firstly and foremostly handle dictation and execution of the nation. Those rulers you have up there, wouldn't exist. Perhaps if they were 'Nation Representatives', per se, it would make more sense. But monarchial states don't work with large government. How is one guy gonna direct X million/billion/trillion/gorillion people all at once? At worst, it's a system that simply doesn't work and is completely riddled with oppression, abusing of power, and an overall horrid set of social policies

That's my two cents here.

[Vittorio Giurifiglio]

Explain to me how it would be unrealistic.

 

Very simply, I can do this: I am here, now, discussing this with you in English.

This means, what? That national identity is a rather frail little thing. Or, at least, the way you describe it to be with this nation. I sincerely doubt that the EU, and the nations that it governs, will exist in their current form (something which your nation expects) for that long. Most likely a federalized state, will be what takes over. At which point, national identity will play an even lesser role.

Further more, ultranationalism and isolationism, something which, again, your nation has as an expectation for existance, are very damning. Specially when we're talking about establishment of colonies in space.

And this little gem,

 

You have no idea what I have considered nor thought of and I would like if you stop insinuating what I have and have not done.

 

I am not insinuating. I based my reply on yours, which clambered to, amusingly enough, the paragraph written in a sarcastic tone of voice. Tell me something, how will we benefit from adding this nation to the lore? The existence of comparable alternatives already suggests that this would be redundant. The ultranationalistic approach would ensure that it only tailors to a very few individuals (chiefly, you, no?), which will result in this being discarded and never actually actively used (without a requirement for buy-ins, I guarantee, not many would have even taken note).

For a moment, see the bigger picture here, Vittorio. What is the point of having lore, when everyone creates their own little piece of spess? There is none. Lore is a binding element, one which needs to be populated by player activity, and not expanded onto infinity.

And if I come off as vindictive, or as an arse, then I apologize. But it's a point I believe must be battled over.

 

The only part you actually somewhat offended me with was the first sentence, do not think I am so thin blooded as to take anger to such a minor thing.

"This means, what? That national identity is a rather frail little thing. Or, at least, the way you describe it to be with this nation. I sincerely doubt that the EU, and the nations that it governs, will exist in their current form (something which your nation expects) for that long. Most likely a federalized state, will be what takes over. At which point, national identity will play an even lesser role.

Further more, ultranationalism and isolationism, something which, again, your nation has as an expectation for existance, are very damning. Specially when we're talking about establishment of colonies in space" (Skull, 3, 1) (DOn't judge me I'm doing English so MLA format is jammed in there)

I have several reasons that could discredit your thought of an eventual federal Europe, but that is RL politics and has no place here, Will it though? do the Irish Scottish and welsh have any less of an Identity as they did when the Kingdom of Alba existed? No I would say a National reawakening is happening, What of the Arameans who still to this day exist in Iraq and the levant? A people is not so frail as you think.Where did I state isolationism would be a factor? Culture =/= Ethnicity sure the orginal Settlers would be Italians and Europeans, however even others can be Assimilated over times, Say the Algerians in france and no not the Pied-noire, but the Pure blooded African one, eventually they will be French, And bam! . let me define Ultranationalism "extreme devotion to or advocacy of the interests of a nation, especially regardless of the effect on any other nations." tell me how does this play in?

[Gollee]

Going to agree with a couple of Skull's points here. If this faction works under the Sol Alliance, there is not a very good chance of them allowing monarchies; considering they are generally seen as undemocratic reigns that cause problems for the people. Which is something the Sol Alliance would not want, at all.

[Skull132]

You still haven't addressed the most important point I've been trying to raise. Okay, let's re-engage.

Basically, arguments of lore feasibility aside, I'm arguing for the OOC point of view. The issue we've had with lore, beyond simply rewriting it all of the time, is that everyone kept adding to it. Addition is fine, but it was done without tact: new chunks were added when they could have been integrated with the already existing writings.

Why is this bad? Because you would end up with as many state entities as you had contributors, but all of them would only have one side to them: they were all flat and lacted character.

Had people worked with what they had, we would had a core group of nations populated by different societies and groups -- fleshed out nations. Instead, we had what I mentioned in the previous paragraph.

Now, please answer the following question: why do you still wish to create a new nation, when a closed society of wealthy families (on the Luna) that adhere to old world values and heritage?

Why create an entirely new piece, when the idea could be used to add flavour and another side to an already existing place?

I get it, you want something that's your own and that you have made. But consider that everyone wants something like that, something to call their own. And most usually, they want it without making a compromise. And yet, compromise is necessary to achieve functionality in this setting.

[Vittorio Giurifiglio]

Going to agree with a couple of Skull's points here. If this faction works under the Sol Alliance, there is not a very good chance of them allowing monarchies; considering they are generally seen as undemocratic reigns that cause problems for the people. Which is something the Sol Alliance would not want, at all.

Monarchies are undemocratic since when?

[Vittorio Giurifiglio]

You still haven't addressed the most important point I've been trying to raise. Okay, let's re-engage.

Basically, arguments of lore feasibility aside, I'm arguing for the OOC point of view. The issue we've had with lore, beyond simply rewriting it all of the time, is that everyone kept adding to it. Addition is fine, but it was done without tact: new chunks were added when they could have been integrated with the already existing writings.

Why is this bad? Because you would end up with as many state entities as you had contributors, but all of them would only have one side to them: they were all flat and lacted character.

Had people worked with what they had, we would had a core group of nations populated by different societies and groups -- fleshed out nations. Instead, we had what I mentioned in the previous paragraph.

Now, please answer the following question: why do you still wish to create a new nation, when a closed society of wealthy families (on the Luna) that adhere to old world values and heritage?

Why create an entirely new piece, when the idea could be used to add flavour and another side to an already existing place?

I get it, you want something that's your own and that you have made. But consider that everyone wants something like that, something to call their own. And most usually, they want it without making a compromise. And yet, compromise is necessary to achieve functionality in this setting.

Why do I wish to create a new nation? I do because it gives Euro's a unique place to come from. A closed society of wealthy families? mainly because that's too small for what I'm going for, be that sounding rude, and I do this instead of adding flavour to luna because of what I said before, I mean I would be willing to cut it down to one planet or Maybe flesh out another planet, but a biodome on Luna probably not, I will be honest with you,.

[Skull132]

No one has a unique place to come from. None of the old countries, anyways. I'd say it's more interesting that way.

But regardless, you answered my question. And you're right, you are sounding rude and inconsiderate. But, you answered my question, and so, I'll leave it be. Regardless, the decision of whether or not this gets accepted, and in what form, resides with Tablespoon.

[Gollee]

Currently has 3/5 buy ins, however outstanding issues presented by community need to be resolved as well.

[Vittorio Giurifiglio]

No one has a unique place to come from. None of the old countries, anyways. I'd say it's more interesting that way.

But regardless, you answered my question. And you're right, you are sounding rude and inconsiderate. But, you answered my question, and so, I'll leave it be. Regardless, the decision of whether or not this gets accepted, and in what form, resides with Tablespoon.

 

Skull I would like to personally apologize, I read what I said and it seems mean, I was quite tired last night replayed to you right after finishing English homework. I'm really sorry if I offended you at all.

[Skull132]

You haven't offended me, nor have I taken offense. It's simply a point of view that I personally disagree with, and I felt it necessary to debate the issue.

[Vittorio Giurifiglio]

You haven't offended me, nor have I taken offense. It's simply a point of view that I personally disagree with, and I felt it necessary to debate the issue.

No, You said I was being rude, so I apologized for that , as it was not my intent (Help intent )

[Vittorio Giurifiglio]

Made some changes made it far less Ultra nationalist

[Conservatron]

I just finished reading through the whole thread, and I was looking to lock down my backstory for Conservan Xullie, I think I could see him as a Monarchist of english/ italian descent, old money that got squirreled away before he was born.

I guess the term is buy in? Im pretty new to actually posting on the forums

[Gollee]

4/5 buy ins necessary.

[Vittorio Giurifiglio]

And thus my history is done,

[Conservatron]

so is this going to be stuck in limbo, canned for not enough buy ins, or what...

I'm in the process of writing up my character records for Conservan Xullie

[Vittorio Giurifiglio]

so is this going to be stuck in limbo, canned for not enough buy ins, or what...

I'm in the process of writing up my character records for Conservan Xullie

Needs one more to be considered

[Rusty Shackleford]

Sorry, but we probably will not consider this in the near future. At the moment, we're restructuring the lore around the core worlds, so fringe systems have been put on the backburner.

[Conservatron]

Aiit, I'll have Xullie be Martian for now

[Vittorio Giurifiglio]

Sorry, but we probably will not consider this in the near future. At the moment, we're restructuring the lore around the core worlds, so fringe systems have been put on the backburner.

Take your time mate

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

Application accepted. Sorry for the delay.