Bran's unban appeal

[Bran232]

BYOND Key:Bran232

Total Ban Length:Three days

Banning staff member's Key:Tablespoon

Reason of Ban:Being disrespectfu/demanding of admins, ignoring comamnds and using underhanded tactic to get info in spite of administrator warnings. This is a 3 day ban..

Reason for Appeal:Well, here is the player complaint (which explains the situation - http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=4419 - link attached) Let me be clear; Tablespoon seemed adamant to do nothing about two chuckle fucks getting away with their shenanigans, and I demanded to have their Ckeys to take the matter to management. He gave me one of the bloke's, but refused the other. I had plenty of good reason to retrieve both of their CKeys. I find it ridicolous that Tablespoon would ban me for simply trying to take the situation to someone who would fucking do something about it. Infact, he banned me quicker than he banned the bloke roleplaying a disabled individual that was going around beating the shit out of people with his metabuddy.

[Bran232]

Let me give a follow up on this. At the time of the situation, I was upset as to how the situation was allowed to progress to such a point that I felt the need to post a player complaint so more staff could get involved. I was determined at the time, as to why I was demanding for their CKeys; Infact I think Tablespoon wanted to give the players the benefit of the doubt, not a bad thing to do as an administrator. But regardless Tablespoon handled the situation. But at the time it was unresolved, and I was upset due to the fact that the players in question had decided to roleplay a disabled individual and a caretaker; that they decided to beat me to an inch of my life for the misunderstanding that took place in the bar. Perhaps I am demanding, and difficult to talk to. But I respected Tablespoons wishes for the situation to remain IC, and to keep it that way. But after their successful attempt to kill me by taking me away from medical, and the fact I fealt as if they were getting away with it. I was just perplexed at how such a situation was unfolding, and how I fealt it was not being handled. But ultimately a situation like the one that took place today was not one that is easy to handle, nor is it a very apparent course of action. Regardless, I am sorry that my constant interference and personal vendetta with the two caused escalation.

[Tablespoon]

Let me start off that you were not banned for asking for ckeys, you were banned for your overall behavior towards me and others over the course of the round.

It started with a fight between you and Braden Vader. While he did send you to crit, you did initiate the fight. I looked over the logs and several times and collaborated the events with IncognitoJesus, who was the bartender at the time. While IJ is a trialmod, he was a fullmod at one point but resigned on good terms with the team, and so I trust him judgement. I decided that the first incident was IC. You simply lost the fight. THe misunderstading itself was a reason for the fight, and you initiated it...and I don't recall apologizing/fleeing/making attempts to stop fighting. This isn't against the rules, but if you wanted to end the fight, you could've.

Anyways, afterwards Braden started dragging you away from treatment and you messaged me about dealing with them. I told you I was talking to them, when you posted this in looc:

 

[22:55:35]OOC: (LOCAL)Bran232 : I tried to respect TableSpoon's wishes for this to be an IC issue, but now you're taking this to a whole new level.

[22:55:45]OOC: (LOCAL)Bran232 : You're murdering someone for the lols.

[22:55:47]OOC: (LOCAL)Bran232 : You prick.

[22:55:57]ADMIN: PM: Tablespoon/(Dane Wible)->Bran232: You baggering them in looc is not helping

[22:56:14]ADMIN: PM: Bran232->Tablespoon/(Dane Wible): I've never been known to be the most helping type

 

I messaged you about this, telling you to stop baggering them in looc. You had already ahelped it and I was dealing with the situation.

You then asked for both of their ckeys. Granted that they were following each other around, I didn't see the other one (not Braden) do anything to you, and so I decided to not give you the ckey. I'm general careful with giving out ckeys unless I see that there is a clear reason for a complaint, since some people like to keep their IC name and OOC ckeys separate. After saying I would only give you the one, you said:

 

[23:01:28]ADMIN: PM: Bran232->Tablespoon/(Dane Wible): You'll give me both, because I am filing a complaint.

[23:01:31]ADMIN: PM: Bran232->Tablespoon/(Dane Wible): I want both.

[23:01:40]ADMIN: PM: Tablespoon/(Dane Wible)->Bran232: You DO NOT make demands of me.

[23:02:15]ADMIN: PM: Tablespoon/(Dane Wible)->Bran232: I get that they may be meta-buddies, but the we're already looking into that angle.

 

This tone is not appreciated, and seriously urked me. You demanding something of me like I give orders to you was very insulting. I was dealing with the situation but was the only active administrator on, and so was handling 1 or 2 other ahelps. Afterwarss, the two did start attackin an officer. This led me to 3-day ban Braden and give the other a serious talking to.

You then started saying things like:

[23:05:01]SAY: Ghost/Bran232 : Admins refuse to give me the retarded bloke's Ckey.

[23:05:04]SAY: Ghost/Bran232 : Anyone know it?

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[23:07:50]SAY: Ghost/Bran232 : I don't mean to insult Tablespoon, but honestly, if he had just taken me seriously when I ahelped the first time, we wouldn't have a situation this esculated.

 

You asked for their ckeys again, but I had already 3-day banned Braden and was actively talking to the other about the situation. I told you this, and you went to an officer who was talking to the other,un-banned one and said this:

 

[23:12:50]OOC: (LOCAL) Bran232 : Don't even roleplay with him,

[23:12:54]OOC: (LOCAL) Bran232 : just taze him and brig him.

[23:13:03]OOC: (LOCAL) Bran232 : He'll roleplay when it suits him, than kill you when it doesn't.

[23:13:11]OOC: (LOCAL) Bran232 : Just a head sup.

 

The officer said he wouldn't listen to you, and the guy you were complaining about ahlped about what you were doing. So I told you:

[23:13:32]ADMIN: PM: Tablespoon/(Dane Wible)->Bran232: You talking in looc is just maijg the situation worse, please stop

 

The final straw came shortly afterwards, when the other guy responded to your bagering in looc and revealed their ckey, and so you said:

 

[23:14:01]OOC: (LOCAL) Bran232 : uh oh, thanks chuckle fuck for giving me your name for my report!!!

[23:14:02]OOC: (LOCAL) Bran232 : HAHAHHA!

[23:14:05]OOC: (LOCAL) Bran232 : VICTORY

 

Summarized: You were banned for outrageous conduct throughout the handling of the situations. Whjile it was true that they were being chucklefuckey to some extent, your actions not only made dealing with them much more complicated, but it was also insulting to me. You have a documented history of seriously complaining and bypassing people when things don't go your way. I gave you numerous warnings to stop and you ignored all of them. I probably would've rejuvinated you, had you not made the situation increasingly complex. As a result of your actions, I had to deal with you, in addition to the two 'chucklefucks'.

[Bran232]

Tablespoon, to begin; I joined that round that day with the expectation that I would not be beaten to death by a chucklefuck. To refute your point as to the fight, that was not esculated. I restrained myself to very little permanent harm in the early phases, using table and punches alone; The individual Braden was using a powergamey item which they probably spawned in with, and used it specifically to win a fight.

Secondly, I wanted their damn CKeys, no way around it; I was going to file an player complaint no matter what. If you had simply given me their CKeys, which I had PLENTY of reason to be given, I would not have "issued Commands." - As you put it. Thirdly, You wanted to keep this matter IC, I can respect that; I cannot respect that when the Braden bloke broke roleplay even further, and dragged my ass from medical in an attempt to subvert my treatment. That was the final straw, That, was not /cool./ He made it his personal mission to finish me off over something as silly as a barfight, I don't know about you, but people usually don't murder people, or beat them to critical with broken ribs, collasped lungs, disfigured face, broken arms and legs; over an misunderstanding, that is someone playing to win, someone being an asshole. Thirdly, I never actually ATTEMPTED, to retrieve the individual's CKey, but when they spoke over Looc, it just fealt to damn good to be true. Fourthy, You claim they were being chucklefucky to an extent, they were being complete assholes running around greytiding, there is no other way you can possibly make their behavior look any better; Especially since Aurora is supposed to be "High roleplay." Not "Grey-tide central." The individual roleplaying a mentally disabled bloke broke off their roleplay of being incapable of walking once their meta-buddy was banned, and than beat an EMT severely, running around screaming "NO ME. NO ME, I GOOD."

Summarized: I was furious, for all the damn right reasons. You know what Tablespoon, I was ready to get their asses permanently banned from the server; I made that my damn goal, I wanted that, so when you refused to give me both of their Ckeys, you simply made me even more determined to make a player complaint.

[Tablespoon]

Summarized: I was furious, for all the damn right reasons. You know what Tablespoon, I was ready to get their asses permanently banned from the server; I made that my damn goal, I wanted that, so when you refused to give me both of their Ckeys, you simply made me even more determined to make a player complaint.

 

'I was ready to get their asses banned from the server'. You don't have the power to directly ban someone. I think this snippet highlights why I banned you: You seem to have this attitude that you have this power, or that things done your way are 100% right, and because they are right, must be done. That's just not true, of anybody on the server, really.

When I told you to stop harassing people icly and reassured you that I was looking into the events you mentioned to me, you ignored me, went off on your own to pursue your own 'justice' and ended up making things a lot more complicated for me.

As I said before, I banned Braden for 3 days, so the complaint against him is not necessary.

Unless any other staff disagree, I'm in favor of keeping this ban in place for the rest of it's term.

 

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Also:

 

Thirdly, I never actually ATTEMPTED, to retrieve the individual's CKey

 

[23:05:01]SAY: Ghost/Bran232 : Admins refuse to give me the retarded bloke's Ckey.

[23:05:04]SAY: Ghost/Bran232 : Anyone know it?

[Skull132]

As of yet, there is no outright directive issued to admins and mods to provide you with a ckey, at least I don't think so. (Mind, that'll be changing soon.) But even regardless, you could have just submitted the complaint without ckeys attached, and we would have been responsible for providing them.

Second, the unfortunate fact is that having an exception of not being beaten to death by chucklefucks is not one that we can live up to. We do not preemptively screen people, and as such, almost all of our administrative actions are responsive in nature. This means that, and to use a hyperbole, someone has to get their face bashed in for us to take action. And even then, we don't always outright ban people for things like that. A good few of our prominent players have joined, bashed people to death, been talked to (and not just permabanned), and then integrated into the community just fine. We are obligated to give them that chance.

Third, and this is exactly why you were given time off:

You know what Tablespoon, I was ready to get their asses permanently banned from the server; I made that my damn goal, I wanted that, so when you refused to give me both of their Ckeys, you simply made me even more determined to make a player complaint.

It is not wise to enter a situation with this mentality. Riddle me this, what difference does it make if a player is spoken to, warned, tempbanned or permabanned, if their actions stop in the end? To staff, our objective is to solve issues. To make the person randomly bashing your face in cease. If we are able to accomplish this by simply talking to him, why permaban him?

[Bran232]

What do you honestly want to me to say, Skull? I wanted the situation resolved, at the time, I felt as if nothing was being done to resolve the issue; They were going around rampaging like lunatics, while I just simply watched. The situation was ridiculous, let me retract the statement where I wanted them "Permanently banned" rather, let me simply put it this way, I wanted action to be put forth, and at the time I personally felt as if nothing had been done, while that is not true as of this very moment; It was very true to me during the events that occurred during the round. Tablespoon, you may find me demanding, or even aggressive to Administration, but that is simply because to many times have I seen lazy, or unwilling staff on various servers simply refuse to do anything about rule breaking, and individuals simply running amok; Even with various apparent rule violations. While Aurora may not just be any server with just any staff, and said staff do not deserve to be labeled with that of "lazy, incompetent, or lax on rule enforcement." Regardless, I was /very/ upset as towards how those particular player's actions affected my round, and how silly it was that they would go as far as to beat me to death.

To summarized, I was upset, pissed, angry, determined to see some form of action taken place; Regardless of what you want to call it. This situation was simply "retarded." Whatever word you may wish to use, I expected higher roleplay from those two individuals, and when they did not deliver, and went as far as to bring the grey tide to the station, that is when I snapped, and wanted to see action taken place. You banned me for a silly vendetta, I would like to request Tablespoon to list all the rules I broke, and the various modifiers contributing to it.

[Tablespoon]

Your feelings are not a valid justification for your demeanor. Just because you are upset or angry does not give you a free pass to act extremely rude.

The primary rules broken were 'Don't be a dick' and 'No IC in OOC'. The IC in OOC refers to you telling the sec guard to do something to one of the people you had beef with.

I believe I've explained how you broke these two rules to a satisfactory extent.

[Bran232]

Tablespoon, emotions guide every action that an individual will partake birth to death. To say that emotion regarding any situation is not "valid" is like saying you don't need Gasoline to run an engine. Lets take rules into account, if I was banned for rule "Don't be a dick." the individual roleplaying an disabled bloke deserves to be banned for the same rule violation. "We're all here to have fun, not fight and argue with assholes. Don't ruin the game for everyone else, and use common sense." Lets pay attention to the phrase 'Don't ruin the game for everyone else,' They supported their meta-buddy in their destructive behavior and rampage, even partaking in the assault of EMT; Or for example "Only escalate conflict in a realistic manner." They did not need to beat an EMT to near death, nor did they need to go around avoiding security. So why did they not get banned for these rules that you are in position to uphold? I find it amusing that you are selective in their application.

[Tablespoon]

I'm not saying your emotions aren't valid, I'm saying your emotions don't justify your actions/attitude towards myself and others.

If you can't understand that, then we have a real issue here.

Also, the matter at stake here isn't the other person's behavior, it's YOURS, so saying "they should've banned" is not an appropriate defense from you. I gave one of them a 3 day ban, the other a stern talking to.

[Bran232]

You gave me a three day ban for an offense that was light. I find that ridiculous, regardless of how unpractical it is to apply such a card regarding punishment. I'll keep it in mind that I can get away with running around with a metabuddy and assaulting crew and murdering them.

But when I breach the "don't be a dick" and "No IC in OOC" rule I'll remember that it is a more severe offense.

[Tablespoon]

You gave me a three day ban for an offense that was light. I find that ridiculous, regardless of how unpractical it is to apply such a card regarding punishment. I'll keep it in mind that I can get away with running around with a metabuddy and assaulting crew and murdering them.

But when I breach the "don't be a dick" and "No IC in OOC" rule I'll remember that it is a more severe offense.

 

For the third time, I did ban the main guy you had an issue with for 3 days. The attitude you're displaying here is not helping your case at all. I've been communicating with other staff, and none believe that you have proven that you should be unbanned.

Sit out the next 2 1/2 days. Please realize that the main issue here was your conduct. Being angry/upset does not entitle you act inappropriately.

[Bran232]

I am not referring to Branden, I am referring to his mate. Regardless Tablespoon, I am sorry that my emotions towards the situation made your job harder, but I personally believe that my actions were far less severe than that of Braden's, or his Mates. I apologize for the fact that my personal opinion of the situation and conduct made the situation far worse than it needed to be. But at the end of the day, I still personally believe that my actions were not that of belligerent intent towards the community of Aurora, I did not join that day with belligerent intent, nor did I join expecting the situation that unfolded that day to take place nor was I equipped to deal with it. I have plenty of things to say about the situation, but I do not believe it matters at this point. I enjoy playing at Aurora, for many reasons; I've never made it my goal to go into a round any day with the mindset of receiving negative attention from the staff, nor with a mindset of breaking the rules set by the staff and community.

[Tablespoon]

This length of this ban is about to run out, binning.