Aurora is a Haven for War Criminals

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

I was skimming more on war crimes, crimes against the peace, and other such things so I could write up a quick reference guide to Space Law better than the crap I have up currently, when I realized that the Aurora is basically responsible for everything mentioned. If we exclude ERP crimes we have a 100% offending rate.

[X] Willful killing

[X] Torture

[X] Inhumane treatment

[X] Biological experiments

[X] Willfully causing great suffering

[X] Destruction and appropriation of property

[X] Compelling service in hostile forces*

[X] Denying a fair trial**

[X] Unlawful deportation and transfer

[X] Unlawful confinement

[X] Taking hostages

*Loyalty implants

**We don't even have trials

Congratulations we're all fucking space Nazi's

[Guest Menown]

Infractions =/= Crimes. Trials don't matter.

It's essentially like breaking a rule in your workplace. The only time there are trials are for HuT infractions, where people would be transported to Biesel authority. Even then, those trials aren't done ingame.

[Tainavaa]

The hilarious thing about security is that their job is security. They aren't a police force, they're internal security. If they legitimately believe someone is a danger to the crew and productivity they have every right to keep them under watch and in the brig until they're cleared. That's their job.

[Guest Menown]

You'd think, Tain, but given that people complain to admins whenever Security gets too realistic, we get yelled at. It's better to just let people go to let them fuck themselves over and get perma'd, than it is to deal with admins yelling at us because somebody complained.

[Tainavaa]

I know. It's very unfortunate and I don't like it at all myself, but. Whatever.

[Lady_of_Ravens]

Biological experiments on prisoners? Oh, no, we'd never do anything like that...

[Mofo1995]

Biological experiments on prisoners? Oh, no, we'd never do anything like that...

Is LiLITH going to become the next Dr. Mengele except for people who breach corporate regulations?

"You failed to fill out forms to build a mech. Now... Into the DNA scanned with you."

[Lady_of_Ravens]

Biological experiments on prisoners? Oh, no, we'd never do anything like that...

Is LiLITH going to become the next Dr. Mengele except for people who breach corporate regulations?

"You failed to fill out forms to build a mech. Now... Into the DNA scanned with you."

 

Tehehe... LiLITH has forcibly performed exploratory surgery on her staff before. Though I don't think it's canonical because the victim turned out to be a potato.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

Infractions =/= Crimes. Trials don't matter.

It's essentially like breaking a rule in your workplace. The only time there are trials are for HuT infractions, where people would be transported to Biesel authority. Even then, those trials aren't done ingame.

 

Lol that's sort of the point. We use "We're a corporation" as an excuse to do a lot of shady things, then pretend we're still on a moral soap-box. A private corporation has the power to permanently detain you, or even execute you, if it deems you a threat. Your argument falls apart on the moral side when you remember Wal-mart can't open fire on shoplifters.

These are just amusing things to think about for our canon. This isn't a suggestion to force more realism or something. If anything I'll use this as a springboard to push actual IC looks into the powers Nanotrasen has against people in its "territory", and really put across how hilariously evil the "well it's realistic!" argument is when put in actual practice and affect outside specific rounds. Just imagine the crap we'd have blasted on the news if we had extended rounds which are canon in news feeds, let alone all our other round types.

"Nanotrasen security team executes mentally ill bald man"

"Man held in Nanotrasen brig without legal counsel or medical care for several hours despite broken ribs and leg"

"Prisoner dies in Nanotrasen custody"

"Nanotrasen security tortures and executes 4 armed infiltrators, hostages all dead"

[Thundy]

Isn't that the thing though? NT does these horrible things but gets away with it? Why?

Take the Wal-Mart example. Wal-Mart cannot open fire on shoplifters, it's true, however as it stands, Wal-Mart is still incredibly terrible to its workers (can site on request)and does a lot of shady things. Now imagine it's out in space, far from any other real authority, with next to no possibly of getting in trouble for the things it does...

TLDR: NT is SpaceWal-Mart with Aliums.

[Guest]

The issue is with Wal-mart is that while it's a fucking massive corporation, it still answers to laws of the state and federal governments. I mean, sure, there's some subtle stuff that it could possibly be "getting away with", but it's not to the scale of an interstellar megacorp that has its fingers in several pies, so to speak.

As we've seen in lore developments, NanoTrasen has significiant pull in political developments. See: the whole first revolution with Adhomai. That had NT written all over it. Same with Moghes. NT's currently exploiting the advantage of having cheap labor compared to humans, especially with Tajara as they're generally more work/economically focused. I'm not too sure what sort of pull NT has with Unathi, aside from that Unathi workers wanted to into spess for a very long time, and NT might've been their first and only chance at that.

While NT cannot really get away with executing their own employees, it certainly can get away with undercutting budgets and treating certain employees a little less fair than others. It can do very shady sorts of things, but it'd be stretching it to allow them to get away with major felonies. Obviously, it's case-by-case, so an 'accidental' massacre of a subsentient alien race that happened to be sitting on a site for a supermall, might be plausible in one instance, but not so in another.

That's my interpretation of the lore, anyway. It's not grimdark, but there's definitely some blurred lines here, despite the goofy artstyle and setting.

[rrrrrr]

aurora's setting is not even remotely grimdark, people who say it is probably just want to play 2d pixel star wars with tajaran

[Frances]

Am I wrong to assume that some of these are player-caused rather than NT-endorsed?

I doubt that NanoTrasen would be like "yeah, standard directives include torturing any aggressors you might find, engaging on biological experiments on prisoners, denying your detainees basic decency, etc." Yet it's things that happen because players are playing a videogame, and we care a little bit less about these things than we would in real life. But I most definitely assumed most of these actions were non-canon, because if word of things like torture got out it could completely ruin the company.

I mean, not to be a buzzkill, but since everyone is taking this conversation seriously might as well.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

Am I wrong to assume that some of these are player-caused rather than NT-endorsed?

I doubt that NanoTrasen would be like "yeah, standard directives include torturing any aggressors you might find, engaging on biological experiments on prisoners, denying your detainees basic decency, etc." Yet it's things that happen because players are playing a videogame, and we care a little bit less about these things than we would in real life. But I most definitely assumed most of these actions were non-canon, because if word of things like torture got out it could completely ruin the company.

I mean, not to be a buzzkill, but since everyone is taking this conversation seriously might as well.

 

I'm only pointing it out. No need to stand your ground there, Frances Zimmerman.

[Frances]

Hey, I didn't want to post because I knew whoever pointed it out would be called a faggot.

But then people started posting seriously, and, well, yeah.

[Vanagandr]

Biological experiments on prisoners? Oh, no, we'd never do anything like that...

Is LiLITH going to become the next Dr. Mengele except for people who breach corporate regulations?

"You failed to fill out forms to build a mech. Now... Into the DNA scanned with you."

LiLITH once came into a round to see a surgical cyborg dragging a guy around on a rollerbed and slowly vivisecting him with a described logic process that went thusly:

he is an alien infiltrator
I am vivisecting him
vivisecting crew is forbidden

quod erat demonstrandum:

he is an alien infiltrator

*ping

Her reaction was, essentially, to wander off and attend to something else.

It was a tator round, but still.

[witchbells]

Did anyone else see this and think of their characters? I'm not alone, right?

Phoebe is guilty of six. Fucking six.

[Conservatron]

Did anyone else see this and think of their characters? I'm not alone, right?

Phoebe is guilty of six. Fucking six.

xullie has only done 4 of them

destruction of property and the last 3

[Lady_of_Ravens]

LiLITH has done a few of those canonically, more when you include antags, and pretty much every one at some point in her background.

As for the incident with the crazy borg... there was a lot of going on that round as LiLITH prioritized other things than a borg that seemed to be keeping itself amused fairly efficiently. Besides, it made for a truly awesome ambiance. XD

[rrrrrr]

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