Gollee Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 Reading through the provided message logs. You seemed well within your bounds of politeness with your messages; it was Binkow who went 0-60 with the ad hominem and swearing. I would likely have done more than a warning. That isn't how you talk to people.
stevebuschemi Posted March 17, 2016 Author Posted March 17, 2016 For Binkow: AdminPM Logs [21:56:28]ADMIN: PM: Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl)->Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise): Namaste! Hello! It appears you raided the armory and used weapons as an assisstant. Can I ask why? [21:56:39]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): As an assistant? [21:56:55]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): The cult person brought us into it or something [21:57:00]ADMIN: PM: Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl)->Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise): Ahem, sorry, psychiatrist. [21:57:10]ADMIN: PM: Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl)->Commanderweb/(Vladimir Osterwise): Could you please elaborate what you mean by that? [21:57:13]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): We were working together with the cult [21:57:33]ADMIN: PM: Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl)->Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise): Can I ask for what reason? [21:57:48]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): I was nearly killed and refused medical treatment by security [21:57:57]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): So the cult person came and saved me and killed the security guard [21:58:05]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): I was blind the entire time cause my head was caved in [21:58:08]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): and retarded [21:58:20]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): We took guns so we could get out of the brig alive? [22:00:04]ADMIN: PM: Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl)->Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise): So because you got beat by security and denied medical treatment, you decided to break into the armory, steal weapons, and then...attack medbay? [22:00:11]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): ??? [22:00:15]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): What do you not get about the cult shit? [22:00:25]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): I didn't fucking actively break into armory [22:00:33]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): I was detained in brig.. cult members came and killed the person detaining me [22:00:38]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): If you fucking listen to what I'm saying man [22:01:08]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): I literally just told you what happened and you're like "oh so you decided to raid the armory after being denied medical treatment?" [22:01:14]ADMIN: PM: Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl)->Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise): You are requested to change your tone at once, as it is not constructive to a civil discussion. You shall not be asked twice. Now, could you please then elaborate on how exactly you ended up attacking medbay? [22:01:23]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): ????? [22:01:31]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): How did I attack Medbay? They assaulted us [22:01:38]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): I was trying to get my vision fixed [22:01:59]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): And I'm just responding to your tone- if you take it up with me I'll follow... it's your job as admin to not escalate the situation [22:02:21]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): Asking a condescending question to me is not a good tone for admin [22:03:20]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): My grand son brought me to the medbay because I was blind, my face was fucking caved in [22:03:27]ADMIN: PM: Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl)->Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise): Please simply answer the questions. Now, have you read our server's rules? [22:03:39]ADMIN: Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl) delayed the round end. [22:03:44]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): The doctor tried to be a hero and became a military specialist [22:03:52]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): and he killed us both [22:04:01]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): I am legit answering the questions [22:04:48]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): Yes I've read the rules [22:08:39]ADMIN: PM: Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl)->Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise): Then please be aware that we have rules regarding what is and is not acceptable conduct for non-antagonists, specifically regarding conflict and escalation of force. In this regard, it is not considered acceptable escalation of force to go to stealing weapons, and actively attacking people due to being injured and denied medical aid by security. As this is your first offense, you shall recieve a warning, but please do not make a habit of this in the future. Do you understand? [22:08:56]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): What? What do you not understand? They tried to kill me [22:09:07]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): I was thrown into the midst on the cults [22:09:10]ADMIN: PM: Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl)->Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise): Please answer the question. Do you understand? [22:09:15]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): YES I UNDERSTAND MR. ADMIN In regards to Binkow's complaint: I apologize if you feel that I offended you in any regard, but I stand by what I said. The round was ending and a great deal was happening at the same time, and I didn't have the time nor focus to be nice, so I choose to be straightforward. I'm not going to hold up everyone else on the server to deal with one person in a manner they find satisfactory. I'm sorry, but that's just how I prioritize things; the server as a whole first, individual happiness second. If you feel there is anything in particular that was offensive or inciting, please highlight it, and I will be more then happy to hear people's opinions regarding it. The reason why I went from "0-60" was because Tenenza actively ignored everything I said and just stated "[22:00:04]ADMIN: PM: Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl)->Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise): So because you got beat by security and denied medical treatment, you decided to break into the armory, steal weapons, and then...attack medbay?" So here, you chose to actively ignore everything I said and continue with your first accusation and then bring the point to me attacking Medbay. How would this not piss anybody off? What is the point of you even talking to me if you're not going to listen or read what I say and instead continue along with the chat like you are reading from a script? I'd have rather just been banned have it over with. The reason why you seem so god damn condescending was because all of your questions weren't trying to figure out what happened but were in fact loaded questions. Even after explaining that I had not assaulted Medbay you say "[22:01:14]ADMIN: PM: Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl)->Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise): You are requested to change your tone at once, as it is not constructive to a civil discussion. You shall not be asked twice. Now, could you please then elaborate on how exactly you ended up attacking medbay?" Again, with the loaded question implying that I did attack Medbay. You really couldn't have asked "Can you explain what happened in Medbay?" This would've effectively de-escalated the situation. Then, after answering your questions you say "Please simply answer the questions. Now, have you read our server's rules?" completely shifting from the topic at hand just because you want to give the "warning" and get it over with. It's fucking hilarious because even at the end- it's like anything I said didn't have an effect on you or your awareness of the situation. [22:08:39]ADMIN: PM: Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl)->Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise): Then please be aware that we have rules regarding what is and is not acceptable conduct for non-antagonists, specifically regarding conflict and escalation of force. In this regard, it is not considered acceptable escalation of force to go to stealing weapons, and actively attacking people due to being injured and denied medical aid by security. As this is your first offense, you shall recieve a warning, but please do not make a habit of this in the future. Do you understand? [22:08:56]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): What? What do you not understand? They tried to kill me [22:09:07]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): I was thrown into the midst on the cults [22:09:10]ADMIN: PM: Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl)->Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise): Please answer the question. Do you understand? [22:09:15]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): YES I UNDERSTAND MR. ADMIN Like seriously, why ask me questions if whatever I say will have no effect on what you're going to do? You obviously didn't investigate the logs to understand what was going on~ but even all my attempts to explain the situation didn't have an affect on you. Also is this "Do you understand?" bullshit protocol for admins or something? Obviously I do not fucking agree with the punishment- I understand the rules and I believe I did not break any of them. If it wasn't protocol it seemed like some sort of bullshit power move which only pisses people more off.
Skull132 Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 Initial complaint read and acknowledged, the discussion ensuing not read. I'll get around to reading through everything once time permits, probably over the course of the next 3 days. Until such a time, please see if you are able to resolve this amongst yourselves, and in a civil manner.
Shadow Posted August 14, 2016 Posted August 14, 2016 Tenenza retired ages ago, locking and archiving. EDIT: Oh god, I just saw that the last post was from me too, shame over me.
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