Staff Complaint - Tenenza

[stevebuschemi]

BYOND Key: Binkow

Staff BYOND Key: Tenenza

Reason for complaint: Extremely condescending and unprofessional ... immediately instills a hostile tone

Evidence/logs/etc: Unfortunately I forgot to copy and paste the entire chat log before the server ended so whoever is going to to look into this will have to ring them up .

Additional remarks:

First of all, I would like to say it really does take a special push to get me to go out of my way to make a formal complaint like this. Basically, let me explain the round from the start. I decided to roleplay as an 115 year old alcohol abusive war veteran grandfather (who had all prosthetic limbs, mechanical heart, and mechanical eyes) who recently got a job aboard the Aurora station- and brought his grand son along so he could get prosthetic limbs (he had no arms or legs lmao) and we could roleplay an awesome story for the crew to participate in. Ironically, my job title was psychiatrist and my friend, the grandson, was an assistant. I brought him to my office- met the staff and got him legs, etc. My first step of abuse towards him was in the bar, just verbal. I was drinking from my sippy sippy flask and ended up taking him back to my office and beating him as a 'punishment' with my cane. After I passed out on the chair with a bottle of whiskey in my hand, the grand son requested somebody come in to check on me. The AI ended up bolting the door open- and as everybody was coming in and making a scene I blamed the door breaking and everything on the grand son. I then promptly hit him in the face, and security shortly came after and arrested me. In Brig, this is where I met the cultist. I was starting to sober up as my flask was dry and they don't supply alcohol in the prisoner common area, so I spend the 4-5 minute sentence by talking with this sole woman there. She tells me why she's in and I tell her why I'm in. She asks if she wants to join a group of people and that the pay was good so I say why not. I met up with my grand son outside brig with her and we follow her to the dorm bathrooms. I tell the boy to let the adults speak, and I realize she is a cultist when I see her with her cultist blade, sprawling runes on the floor, and the cultist hood. Security suddenly walks in as I guess the AI was keepin tabs, and we realize we're too deep so we escape to the bar while she and security duke it out. While I was in Brig, my grand son received prosthetic arms by the way- so he is fully functional-- forgot to mention that. So, while we're in the Bar (just us two), the AI locks us in while we get drunk and an inevitable fight breaks out as my grand son was eager to get revenge. Since it's a 115 year old vs a 17 year old he clearly wins and my face is borderline unrecognizable by the time the AI unlocks the door and a few people storm in to stop the fight. These good Samaritans rush to the aid of the 17 year old and start beating the fuck out of me while I'm borderline unconscious on the ground with a concussion and one of them picks up my flask and starts force feeding me it.

----- so this is where the situation as to why the admin comes in

One engineer drags me to Brig while the other civilians drag my grandson to the cargo bay. The confused warden at Brig takes me in and puts me in the interrogation room (or check in room, whatever it is) and straps me down. I complain about my heading aching as I had a massive concussion and was on the borderline brink of death (was in dark red but got to dark orange by this time). My vision was heavily impacted and I could barely see (just fuzzy), but the alerts about the broken skull and shit were being spammed. So as I'm strapped to the chair, that cultist from earlier comes in and shanks the fuck out of the warden with her cultist blade. I'm saying thank you and she uncuffs me and brings me to the medical area with aid of the warden's ID. I'm healed up as good as I can be (concussion and vision damage still very present), and the cultist talks about how it's time to arm up and ascend whatever whatever. At this point- I'd also like to mention that I'm mentally retarded from the brain damage. So, I'm armored up in the tactical gear with a shotgun on my back and as we attempt to leave a security cadet sees us and in fear I kill him with a laser rifle (I mean she killed the warden, I'm balls deep in this shit and if I'm caught we're all executed). My grand son is also waiting outside and we make up- but at this point I can rarely stand up and I'm basically blind (can only see 1 tile around). So, I tell m'boy to take my stun revolver off my belt and he drags me to the Medbay. Here we meet the one I call the "hero combat expert medical doctor" Matt Price. I am basically in no fighting position and my grand son is just begging/borderline threatening them to heal me / fix my vision. The medical doctor keeps calling security in radio and is in general intimidated by our presence. Matt Price then starts stripping the security headset from my body (that for sure, maybe he tried more), so my grand son shoots him with the stun revolver a couple times. Then the fighting breaks out. Since he's 17 he gets robusted fairly easy and the medical doctor goes into full assassin mode. I manage to finally stand up and pull out my shotgun, but due to the fact that I am blind and retarded nothing happens- upon which he pushes me down.. takes the shotgun and starts blasting away at me and the grand son. Another medical doctor runs in and starts stabbing me with a knife or something as I'm on the ground again (legs collapsed) and in no time we're both dead.

--- then the admin comes in

I'm a little bit salty about the lack of roleplay on the hero medical doctor's part as there's a server rule:

"Generally, avoid playing hero.

There are certain opportunities every character can seize to overthrow an antagonist, but going rambo on syndicate ops as a frail, unarmed medical doctor constitutes a failure to roleplay and will likely end with you getting shot. Also, if you are unarmed, and being held at gunpoint, it is generally expected for you to comply with your captor, or risk suffering the consequences."

But anyways, the admin known as Tenenza comes in and asks why it was acceptable for me to raid the armory and assault Medbay. I start explaining the story from the beginning and while I'm still explaining, the admin jumps to conclusions with something along the lines of "So you raid the armory and start killing people and assaulting Medbay because you were refused medical treatment?" I said no and start mentioning the cultist again (and at this point his aggressive tone is escalating me to an aggressive tone too) and basically I'm like "If you could listen to what I'm saying"... yadda yadda yadda. Then he's like "I'm going to only say this once, do not talk to me in that tone again.. blah blah blah" I mention the fact that I'd appreciate it too if he stopped talking to me in such a condescending tone. Then he just says something along the lines of "Do you understand what you did wrong- you're receiving a warning for this blah blah blah... this is not a debate". Of course I feel wronged as I acted like I would have in real life- or like this character would've in the situation but I guess this rule isn't a rule in the eyes of Tenenza:

Conflict is acceptable, even if you are not an antag.

but it needs to be believable, and meet roleplay standards. The average Joe will not simply decide to blow up their workplace one day.

As a headmin on the old OG Apoc station and borderline headmin on Yogstation the 1st year it was started I really do feel that an admin should not act like that when confronting a player. Honestly, if Tenenza apologized for acting condescending/jumping to conclusions I would've never made this report in the first place and just said whatever on the warning-- but that coupled with the fact that I honestly didn't feel I broke a rule in the first place made me take my sweet time to write this out. Thanks for reading!

[Commanderweb]

BYOND Key:Commanderweb

Staff BYOND Key: Tenenza

Reason for Complaint: Punished for acting within roleplay boundaries

Evidence/Logs/Etc:

[secondary Admin PM]Tenenza: Namaste! Hello! It appears you raided the armory and used weapons as an assisstant. Can I ask why?

to Tenenza: My Grandpa told me to. He said we gotta protect ourselves.

[secondary Admin PM] Tenenza: Could you please elaborate what you mean by that?

to Tenenza: The Psychiatrist is my Grandfather and he told me the security tried to kill everyone, so we had to defend ourselves.

[secondary Admin PM] Tenenza: So, you just did it because your grandfather told you to?

to Tenenza: With so many dead people around it was the only safe option.

[secondary Admin PM] Tenenza: So, how exactly did you end up in medbay attacking people there?

to Tenenza: Grandpa was going blind. I brought him there and the medical personel started calling for security instead of helping. If we had gone any longer without medical attention he probably would have died.

to Tenenza: The doctor started trying to disarm us and i had to act

[secondary Admin PM] Tenenza: I see. Have you read our server's rules?

to Tenenza: Yes I have.

[secondary Admin PM] Tenenza: Then please be aware that we have rules regarding what is and is not acceptable conduct for non-antagonists, specifically regarding conflict and escalation of force. In this regard, it is not considered acceptable escalation of force to go to stealing weapons, and actively attacking people due to being injured and denied medical aid by security. As this is your first offense, you shall recieve a warning, but please do not make a habit of this in the future. Do you understand?

to Tenenza: As your rules also state"Roleplay precedes over objectives - do not engage in behavior which would be unrealistic for your character in an attempt to win the round. " In the given situation my character would have acted as he did if the situation occured in real life.

[secondary Admin PM] Tenenza: This is not an issue to debate. Do you understand you are getting a warning and why?

[secondary Admin PM] Tenenza: Ahem, once more, please answer if you understand you are getting a warning and why.

to Tenenza: I am recieveing a warning due to my action of commiting such actions as raiding the armory and assaulting fellow crew members while not being Antag. I understand this is my first and likely only warning.

[secondary Admin PM] Tenenza: Okay then, thank you for your cooporation and have a nice day/night/timeless limbo.

Additional Remarks: Upon further review of the station rules under "Antagonists and Conflict" it reads "Conflict is acceptable, even if you are not an antag.

but it needs to be believable, and meet roleplay standards. The average Joe will not simply decide to blow up their workplace one day."

In the given scenario my character and his Grandfather were caught in the crossfire between cultists and security. Once most of the security officers were dead we took it upon ourselves to access the armory and prepare to defend our lives. Once the weapons and armor were acquired we headed to the medbay where my dying grandfather was refused treatment and disarmed by the medical staff. As the medical staff attempted to disarm me I opened fire with stun revolver, this quickly escalated into the medical staff disarming my grandfather and returning fire with a combat shotgun, resulting in both our deaths. It was at this time that I began talking with the admin and the warning was issued. Returning again to the server rules "Only escalate conflict in a realistic manner. Some characters might overreact, but you would not realisticall go berserk or attempt to kill someone if they stole your prized pen, for instance." Under the given circumstances, from a roleplay point of view, my actions were well within the boundaries of the server rules.

The entire story can be found on Stevebuschemi's (aka Binkow) (Grandpa's) post regarding the same issue.

[SierraKomodo]

Both complaints involve the same incident and players, and are directed toward the same staff member. Threads merged after confirming with Garnascus.

[CampinKiller]

So, I play Matt Price, and will throw my 2¢ in here.

For some background, Matt is an EMT and former Sol Alliance Marine for 6 years, and was a field medic. He was involved in some anti-piracy operations, so he knows his way around combat and life-saving medical support.

I come to the Medical lobby to find these two guys armed with a shotgun and a stun revolver, and call for Security. Another Doctor opens the door, and they come inside. I scan the grandfather and find out that he's fine, minus the mental retardation, and also call for Security, while they beg me to help. I tell them that I'm an EMT and I'm not able to help them as they need medicine/surgery that I am unable to do. About this time the younger one shoots me once with a stun revolver. I then try to disarm and pin him down, but the older one is able to stand up and shoot me with the revolver. As I lay there unconscious, and when I wake up, I can hear them attempting to blast me with the shotgun. When I wake up I am beaten with the butt of the shotgun, so I shove the older one over, and take the shotgun away. I then realized they hadn't racked it, and did so myself. They then both came at myself and a doctor who had come towards the sound of the fighting, and so I defended myself and the other doctor by blasting them with the shotgun (which, come to find out, was loaded with lethal slug rounds). They attempted to flash bang us to get the shotgun back after they ran out of stun revolver ammo, and ended up killing a surgeon that had a mechanical heart with an EMP grenade, but eventually bled out from the shotgun blasts I'd put into them.

Was I playing the hero? I don't think so, given the backstory of the character, and the fact that Matt was being threatened and attacked by these two guys. Regardless, I think Tenenza handled it fine, given the other shit that was ongoing.

[SierraKomodo]

Now posting as a player, as I was the AI for this round... Finding out you two were /not/ antags is actually a surprise to me, because you two were the most antag like people on the station that round up until the random suicide bombing of security. Just a quick list of everything I remember. I can't remember exact characters names, so I'll just call you Junior for the grandson and Senior for the grandfather. This isn't necessarily in order, I'm posting these as I remember them:

- Junior and Senior are in the psych's office.

- Junior cracks Senior over the head with a bottle and knocks him out

- Senior gets up and starts beating the shit out of Junior with a cane

- Junior says things over comms that sound like some sort of BDSM cane-whipping fetish

- Junior shows up in the dorms with a sword, attacking a station-bound synthetic

- Junior and Senior both show up in the brig, stealing all of the armory weapons

- Senior pulls a gun on a random botanist in the hallway and uses him as a 'hostage', even shooting him once

- Junior and Senior run down the departures hallway, /murdering/ a security officer the moment they see her during the evacuation

Care to explain why you did these things if you weren't antags?

[stevebuschemi]

Now posting as a player, as I was the AI for this round... Finding out you two were /not/ antags is actually a surprise to me, because you two were the most antag like people on the station that round up until the random suicide bombing of security. Just a quick list of everything I remember. I can't remember exact characters names, so I'll just call you Junior for the grandson and Senior for the grandfather. This isn't necessarily in order, I'm posting these as I remember them:

- Junior and Senior are in the psych's office.

- Junior cracks Senior over the head with a bottle and knocks him out

- Senior gets up and starts beating the shit out of Junior with a cane

- Junior says things over comms that sound like some sort of BDSM cane-whipping fetish

- Junior shows up in the dorms with a sword, attacking a station-bound synthetic

- Junior and Senior both show up in the brig, stealing all of the armory weapons

- Senior pulls a gun on a random botanist in the hallway and uses him as a 'hostage', even shooting him once

- Junior and Senior run down the departures hallway, /murdering/ a security officer the moment they see her during the evacuation

Care to explain why you did these things if you weren't antags?

 

What? You obviously didn't understand much this round or are blatantly lying. I really don't think you even read my post to be honest.

- Junior and Senior are in the psych's office. One of the only correct things here.. congratulations.

- Junior cracks Senior over the head with a bottle and knocks him out This never happened.

- Senior gets up and starts beating the shit out of Junior with a cane In this context, I only slapped junior in the drunken spur and then was taken away by police..

- Junior says things over comms that sound like some sort of BDSM cane-whipping fetish This never happened.

- Junior shows up in the dorms with a sword, attacking a station-bound synthetic This never happened. Maybe the fucking cultist with us did this- ever think of that?

- Junior and Senior both show up in the brig, stealing all of the armory weapons I guess you just didn't see the cultist doing shit. I was arrested 90 percent of the time in Brig till the cultists came and took over. You really do not have a clue what happened this round. We had no intention to raid the armory from the start.

- Senior pulls a gun on a random botanist in the hallway and uses him as a 'hostage', even shooting him once The fuck? This never happened at all.

- Junior and Senior run down the departures hallway, /murdering/ a security officer the moment they see her during the evacuation This NEVER happened at all?!?

I'm legit fucking disgusted at these straight up lies.

Do you care to explain why you are straight up lying or otherwise feel you can provide accurate enough information to post here? I'd like for an admin to pull the logs please.

Edited March 16, 2016 by Guest

[stevebuschemi]

So, I play Matt Price, and will throw my 2¢ in here.

For some background, Matt is an EMT and former Sol Alliance Marine for 6 years, and was a field medic. He was involved in some anti-piracy operations, so he knows his way around combat and life-saving medical support.

I come to the Medical lobby to find these two guys armed with a shotgun and a stun revolver, and call for Security. Another Doctor opens the door, and they come inside. I scan the grandfather and find out that he's fine, minus the mental retardation, and also call for Security, while they beg me to help. I tell them that I'm an EMT and I'm not able to help them as they need medicine/surgery that I am unable to do. About this time the younger one shoots me once with a stun revolver. I then try to disarm and pin him down, but the older one is able to stand up and shoot me with the revolver. As I lay there unconscious, and when I wake up, I can hear them attempting to blast me with the shotgun. When I wake up I am beaten with the butt of the shotgun, so I shove the older one over, and take the shotgun away. I then realized they hadn't racked it, and did so myself. They then both came at myself and a doctor who had come towards the sound of the fighting, and so I defended myself and the other doctor by blasting them with the shotgun (which, come to find out, was loaded with lethal slug rounds). They attempted to flash bang us to get the shotgun back after they ran out of stun revolver ammo, and ended up killing a surgeon that had a mechanical heart with an EMP grenade, but eventually bled out from the shotgun blasts I'd put into them.

Was I playing the hero? I don't think so, given the backstory of the character, and the fact that Matt was being threatened and attacked by these two guys. Regardless, I think Tenenza handled it fine, given the other shit that was ongoing.

 

Nope. You obviously took out very vital important information. Also a BUNCH of lying is here as well. The younger one shot you with the stun revolver after you started stripping me of my radio and other things. You were obviously playing the hero by spamming in comms "SECURITY TO MEDBAY" and then walking up to a heavy armored goon on the ground and starting to strip his shit. I was never in possession of a stun revolver the entire time nor did I shoot one doing this scuffle so this is just a straight up lie. I also did "beat you with the butt of the shotgun" at all. I didn't attempt to flash bang you to get the shotgun back.. I was nearly critical and far away from you. You were busy still pumping rounds (I was basically lying on the ground and you were unloading..) into me and the youngin' and the youngin' at this time was crit and NOT able to do anything. I could only see 1 god damn square away because of the massive concussion and blindness so as a last ditch effort I popped the other grenade in my belt (ironically I have a mechanical heart and eyes-- did not notice it was EMP till it was triggered) and this EMP ended up finishing me off.

[Commanderweb]

Now posting as a player, as I was the AI for this round... Finding out you two were /not/ antags is actually a surprise to me, because you two were the most antag like people on the station that round up until the random suicide bombing of security. Just a quick list of everything I remember. I can't remember exact characters names, so I'll just call you Junior for the grandson and Senior for the grandfather. This isn't necessarily in order, I'm posting these as I remember them:

- Junior and Senior are in the psych's office.

- Junior cracks Senior over the head with a bottle and knocks him out

- Senior gets up and starts beating the shit out of Junior with a cane

- Junior says things over comms that sound like some sort of BDSM cane-whipping fetish

- Junior shows up in the dorms with a sword, attacking a station-bound synthetic

- Junior and Senior both show up in the brig, stealing all of the armory weapons

- Senior pulls a gun on a random botanist in the hallway and uses him as a 'hostage', even shooting him once

- Junior and Senior run down the departures hallway, /murdering/ a security officer the moment they see her during the evacuation

Care to explain why you did these things if you weren't antags?

 

As for what the AI "saw". Ruben Osterwise=Binkow/Grandpa Vladimir Osterwise=Commanderweb/Grandson

- Junior and Senior are in the psych's office.

Yes, we are related, I am in his care, and I didn't have any limbs until further into the round.

- Junior cracks Senior over the head with a bottle and knocks him out.

Ruben Osterwise has attacked himself with a bottle of Uncle Git's Special Reserve!

The contents of the Uncle Git's Special Reserve splash all over Ruben Osterwise!

Ruben Osterwise has thrown Broken Bottle.

The leather psychiatrist's couch has been hit by Ruben Osterwise with the bedsheet.

Ruben Osterwise says, "God damn."

- Senior gets up and starts beating the shit out of Junior with a cane

I assume this is what you were referring to?

Ruben Osterwise shouts, "MY BOY AIN'T MUCH BUT HE'S ALL I GOT!"

[Common] Matt Price says, "What in the-"

Vladimir Osterwise says, "Hello good sir"

Ruben Osterwise exclaims, "VLAD DON'T YOU SPEAK WITHOUT BEIN SPOKEN TOO!"

Ruben Osterwise landed a striking fist on Vladimir Osterwise's upper body!

[Common] Kourtney Slade says, "Forgive me, Astor."

Ruben Osterwise yells, "WHAT DID I TELL YOU!"

Jade Rathel says, "No."

Vladimir Osterwise says, "GRANDPA IM SORRY"

Jade Rathel says, "You're under arrest."

- Junior shows up in the dorms with a sword, attacking a station-bound synthetic

This was actually done by the cultist as you will read here.

Shard of Aether has been slashed with Cult Blade by Evelyn Fermi!

Shard of Aether states, "Greetings."

[Common] Lizandro Kowalski slurs, "BoOOM'!"

Shard of Aether states, "U-unit damaged"

- Junior and Senior both show up in the brig, stealing all of the armory weapons

If you are going to exaggerate then please make it at least somewhat believable. The armory was 80% empty when we arrived, and we were not about to take the chance that we'd run into those cultists again without being able to defend ourselves.

- Senior pulls a gun on a random botanist in the hallway and uses him as a 'hostage', even shooting him once

This is just as fake as could be. Grandfather had to be dragged from Brig to Medbay due to succumbing to his concussion and he was basically blind. Even with a combat shotgun there is very little chance he could robust someone.

- Junior and Senior run down the departures hallway, /murdering/ a security officer the moment they see her during the evacuation.

This is just a straight up lie. We died in medbay and never came in contact with security after leaving brig. I'm really beginning to question the validity of your other 900 posts.

I'd like you to keep in mind that actions of Matt Price, He clearly states that there is nothing wrong with us and instead of waiting for security or even just asking us to leave, read what he does instead.

This is my Log from the time I met up with Grandpa after his 2nd arrest until we both died.

Jane Pyre aims a shotgun at Spike Patterson!

Spike Patterson says, "Ahahhhhh"

*click click*

Evelyn Fermi(as Jane Pyre) shouts, "Don't move!"

*click click*

Ruben Osterwise fires the laser carbine!

*click click*

Ruben Osterwise fires the laser carbine!

Ruben Osterwise fires the laser carbine!

*click click*

Ruben Osterwise fires the laser carbine!

[Common] Cryogenic Oversight states, "Auralia Ro'Suos'Fedas, Head of Personnel, has entered long-term storage."

Ruben Osterwise says, "FUCKER"

You buckle yourself to the steel chair.

Ruben Osterwise fires the laser carbine!

Spike Patterson seizes up and falls limp, their eyes dead and lifeless...

Ruben Osterwise fires the laser carbine!

Ruben Osterwise fires the laser carbine!

Evelyn Fermi(as Jane Pyre) exclaims, "Stop!"

Evelyn Fermi(as Jane Pyre) shouts, "Why did you kill him!"

Evelyn Fermi(as Jane Pyre) shouts, "No!"

Vladimir Osterwise says, "Oh hey Grandpa"

Ruben Osterwise exclaims, "THEY'LL TRY TO KILL ME!"

Ruben Osterwise points to Vladimir Osterwise

Ruben Osterwise exclaims, "YOU!"

Evelyn Fermi(as Jane Pyre) yells, "You imbicile!"

Ruben Osterwise points to Vladimir Osterwise

[Common] Matt Price says, "Someone be sure to come fix this borg."

Evelyn Fermi(as Jane Pyre) exclaims, "Stay away!"

[Common] Evan Treanor yells, "GAH!"

You unbuckle yourself from the steel chair.

[Common] Evan Treanor yells, "Security!"

[Common] Adam Davis asks, "Hey, who grab Andre's head?"

[Common] Evan Treanor shouts, "Xenobiology access!"

Vladimir Osterwise is trying to empty Unknown (as Spike Patterson)'s pockets!

Ruben Osterwise is trying to remove Unknown (as Spike Patterson)'s security radio headset!

Vladimir Osterwise empties Unknown (as Spike Patterson)'s pockets!

Ruben Osterwise says, "M'boy.. you nearly killed me"

Vladimir Osterwise blinds Ruben Osterwise with the flash!

Ruben Osterwise has been bashed in the head with laser carbine by Vladimir Osterwise!

Vladimir Osterwise asks, "Are we gonna have issues?"

Ruben Osterwise exclaims, "M'boy finally standin up for himself!"

Vladimir Osterwise has thrown the laser carbine.

Ruben Osterwise is trying to put a laser carbine on Unknown (as Spike Patterson)!

Vladimir Osterwise is trying to remove Unknown (as Spike Patterson)'s Spike Patterson's ID Card (Security Cadet)!

Ruben Osterwise exclaims, "It's war now, son!"

Malcolm Shaw says, "Guys"

Ruben Osterwise asks, "What?"

Vladimir Osterwise asks, "Yessir?"

Ruben Osterwise finishes eating Mushroompizza slice.

Malcolm Shaw asks, "What the fuck is going on?"

Ruben Osterwise says, "War.. war.."

*beep*

Message from QuickDatingSystem (Unknown / spam?), "Your profile caught my attention and I wanted to write and say hello (QuickDating)." (Unable to Reply)

Vladimir Osterwise says, "No idea sir"

Ruben Osterwise says, "These fuckers tried to kill me"

Ruben Osterwise says, "M'boy here and I are defendin ourselves"

Malcolm Shaw says, "Well"

[Common] Arrivals Announcement Computer states, "Sslazhir Yinzr, Security Officer, has arrived on the station."

Malcolm Shaw checks Unknown's pulse.

Malcolm Shaw says, "Oh fuck"

Ruben Osterwise says, "He's dead."

Malcolm Shaw says, "Is he..."

[Common] Adam Davis says, "Your late"

Malcolm Shaw says, "Damn."

[Common] Evan Treanor yells, "Medical needed at research!"

[Common] Adam Davis says, "The Brig was bombed, plus Science"

You unwillingly chew a bit of Meatpizza slice.

Malcolm Shaw is trying to remove Unknown's security satchel!

You unwillingly chew a bit of Meatpizza slice.

You unwillingly chew a bit of Meatpizza slice.

A.I. Announcement

No response from Central Command. Security is failing to contain the situation, additional personnel have been confirmed hostile. Systems are now considering evacuation.

-Katana Alpha

Ruben Osterwise says, "I couldn't let them get evelyn."

Ruben Osterwise says, "She saved me so.."

[Common] Ka'Akaix'Zalim Zo'ra says, "Lets put it up to a vote"

[Common] Gago Merchant says, "Is prrrobably for best."

[Common] Arrivals Announcement Computer states, "Bo Dinh, Gardener, has completed translation from offsite gateway."

[Common] Adam Davis says, "This is what happens when your Late Yinzr"

[Common] Ka'Akaix'Zalim Zo'ra says, "If you want to leave, say I"

[Common] Arrivals Announcement Computer states, "Lokya Ariel, Assistant, has arrived on the station."

[Common] Ka'Akaix'Zalim Zo'ra exclaims, "I!"

Malcolm Shaw has thrown the security satchel.

[Common] Gago Merchant says, "I mean."

[Common] Adam Davis says, "I"

[Common] Anderson Leichter says, "I"

[Common] Gago Merchant says, "Science station without science is shit"

[Common] Ka'Akaix'Zalim Zo'ra yells, "I! I! LEAVEE!"

[Common] Lizandro Kowalski says, "I"

Malcolm Shaw says, "Should we..."

Malcolm Shaw asks, "Get guns?"

Juan Siganto snores.

[Common] Lokya Ariel asks, "What's going on?"

Ruben Osterwise says, "Get whateva."

Malcolm Shaw puts the W-T 550 Saber into the laboratory backpack.

Ruben Osterwise says, "I don't have access.. and I'm blind"

Ruben Osterwise says, "I can't see right now."

Priority Announcement

An emergency evacuation shuttle has been called. It will arrive in approximately 10 minutes.

[Common] Gago Merchant says, "Good."

Ruben Osterwise talks into the security radio headset

Ruben Osterwise talks into the security radio headset

Vladimir Osterwise has thrown the bomber jacket.

Malcolm Shaw puts the box of spare handcuffs into the laboratory backpack.

Ruben Osterwise says, "Hey"

Ruben Osterwise asks, "Can you heal my eyes!?"

[Common] Evan Treanor says, "Medical's needed outside research."

[Common] Evan Treanor exclaims, "Hurry!"

[Common] Jade Rathel says, "Edical to sciene."

You put the flash into the satchel.

Ruben Osterwise has analyzed Ruben Osterwise's vitals.

[Common] Jade Rathel asks, "Medical?"

[Common] Gago Merchant says, "I offerred Jade a medical kit but she said no."

You put the flashbang into the satchel.

[Common] Evan Treanor asks, "Medical where are you!?"

[Common] Jade Rathel says, "I'm pretty sure I need more than a medkit."

Ruben Osterwise says, "M'boy you gonna have to point em out to me."

Malcolm Shaw says, "We should head to escape"

[Common] Adam Davis says, "Lit up Escape, it was dark"

[Common] Cryogenic Oversight states, "Vance McTarvish, Assistant, has entered long-term storage."

Malcolm Shaw says, "Pull him"

[Common] Gago Merchant says, "Well I brrring."

You fire the stun revolver!

The electrode misses Malcolm Shaw narrowly!

Malcolm Shaw says, "Woah"

Vladimir Osterwise says, "My bad"

Ruben Osterwise yells loudly, "PUT ME IN A CHAIR!"

Ruben Osterwise yells loudly, "MY LEGS ARE FAILING ME"

You shake Ruben Osterwise trying to wake him up!

Malcolm Shaw says, "Sec"

Malcolm Shaw says, "He's wounded"

[Common] Bo Dinh shouts, "Dumb farmer boy with gun going postal!"

Ruben Osterwise yells loudly, "HEY."

Ruben Osterwise yells loudly, "HELP ME UP!"

You shake Ruben Osterwise trying to wake him up!

Ruben Osterwise shouts, "Kill the security!"

Ruben Osterwise yells loudly, "LETS GO THE SHUTTLE"

Ruben Osterwise talks into the security radio headset

Ruben Osterwise yells, "DON'T!"

[Common] Artificial Intelligence Oversight states, "Katana Alpha has been moved to intelligence storage."

Ruben Osterwise talks into the security radio headset

Ruben Osterwise yells loudly, "KILL YINZR!"

Ruben Osterwise talks into the security radio headset

Ruben Osterwise shouts, "HE'S A TRAITOR!"

You put Ruben Osterwise's ID Card (Psychiatrist) into the satchel.

You put Ruben Osterwise's ID Card (Psychiatrist) into the satchel.

You put the flashbang into the satchel.

[Common] Sslazhir Yinzr roars, "Ss. Seekishshseekissesi!"

[Common] Matt Price says, "Security to the MEdical Bay-"

Matt Price talks into the medical radio headset

Matt Price says, "Security to the MEdical Bay-"

[Common] Evelyn Fermi says, "Stop firing--"

[Common] Adam Davis says, "DAMN IT YNZIR"

Matt Price asks, "What in the fuck?"

Vladimir Osterwise says, "Help him"

[Common] Adam Davis says, "SHOT THE ALIEN"

[Common] Adam Davis says, "NOT ME"

Ruben Osterwise says, "I'M BLIND"

Matt Price says, "What did you-"

Ruben Osterwise yells loudly, "I CANT SEE!"

Ruben Osterwise yells loudly, "H-HEL-LP M-ME Y-Y-Y-YOU F-FOOL!"

Ruben Osterwise yells loudly, "THEY'RE COMIN FOR US! THE ALIENS!"

Matt Price exclaims, "Nothing's wrong with him!"

Evan Treanor asks, "What is he talking about?"

Vladimir Osterwise says, "He needs med attention now"

[Common] Matt Price says, "Security, there are two armed and mentally unstabnle individual in Medical."

Matt Price talks into the medical radio headset

Matt Price says, "Security, there are two armed and mentally unstabnle individual in Medical."

Ruben Osterwise yells, "I can't see and my legs don't work!"

Matt Price has analyzed Ruben Osterwise's vitals.

Vladimir Osterwise says, "He's blind"

Matt Price says, "He's mentally unstable."

Ka'Akaix'Zah Void says, "No thankzz"

Ka'Akaix'Zah Void has thrown Erransis Fedranin.

Glass Airlock was hit by Erransis Fedranin.

Ruben Osterwise yells, "I'M NOT UNSTABLE YOU FOOL!"

[Common] Adam Davis stammers, "T-Th-h-han-nks-s Yinzr-r-r"

Ruben Osterwise yells loudly, "I'M IN PAIN!"

[Common] Adam Davis stutters, "N-Now-w I c-cant-t k-kill t-th-h-h-he Al-l-l-lien"

Matt Price says, "Hey-"

[Common] Matt Price yells, "Security! Holy fuck!"

[Common] Lizandro Kowalski asks, "What ayys?"

[Common] Lizandro Kowalski asks, "Where?"

Ruben Osterwise says, "SECURITY IS DEAD"

Ruben Osterwise yells loudly, "Y-Y-YOU T-TOOL!"

Central Command Update

Machine Learning Alert

Rampant brand intelligence has been detected aboard NSS Exodus, please stand-by.

newscaster beeps, "New Station Announcement Available"

Matt Price is trying to remove Ruben Osterwise's security radio headset!

[Common] Lizandro Kowalski says, "Oh ayys are very friendly they want cute hugs :3"

Vladimir Osterwise says, "You need to get him his sight back. Now."

Jesse Darby has grabbed Jim Calhoun passively!

You fire the stun revolver!

Matt Price screams!

You fire the stun revolver!

Matt Price screams!

Matt Price says, "I'm not a Surgeon, asswip-"

Matt Price has pushed Vladimir Osterwise!

Matt Price attempted to disarm Vladimir Osterwise!

Vladimir Osterwise punched himself in the upper body!

Your armor softens the blow!

Matt Price attempted to disarm Vladimir Osterwise!

You fire the stun revolver!

You fire the stun revolver!

The stun revolver is not ready to fire again!

Matt Price has disarmed Vladimir Osterwise!

Matt Price slumps to the ground, too weak to continue fighting.

Vladimir Osterwise stomped down hard on Matt Price's upper body!

Vladimir Osterwise is trying to remove Matt Price's PDA-Matt Price (Emergency Medical Technician)!

[Common] Adam Davis stammers, "Oh-h F-F-F-FUck"

Vladimir Osterwise has thrown PDA-Matt Price (Emergency Medical Technician).

[Common] Adam Davis stammers, "Y-Y-Yin-n-nz-zr-r g-get-t bac-ck-k her-re an-nd-d K-KIL-L-LL-L T-T-TH-HE AL-LIEN-N-N"

[Common] Adam Davis stutters, "AH-HHH-HH-H"

[Common] Adam Davis stutters, "F-FUC-CK-K"

[Common] Adam Davis stutters, "AH-HH-H-H-HH-H"

Vladimir Osterwise has disarmed Matt Price!

*click click*

[Common] Adam Davis stutters, "C-CH-H-HAPEL-L"

Vladimir Osterwise attempted to disarm Matt Price!

Matt Price has pushed Vladimir Osterwise!

[Common] Adam Davis stutters, "FUC-C-C-CK-K"

[Common] Sslazhir Yinzr asks, "Where?"

Ruben Osterwise's the combat shotgun goes off during the struggle!

*click click*

[Common] Adam Davis stammers, "C-CHAP-P-PEL-L"

*click click*

*click click*

Matt Price attempted to disarm Ruben Osterwise!

[Common] Adam Davis stammers, "Y-YOU ID-DOIT-T"

Matt Price has disarmed Ruben Osterwise!

Vladimir Osterwise kicked Matt Price in his left leg!

Ruben Osterwise threw a glancing punch at Matt Price's upper body!

Ruben Osterwise attempted to strike Matt Price, but missed!

Matt Price cries out and drops what they were holding in their right arm!

Matt Price fires the combat shotgun!

Ruben Osterwise is hit by the slug in the chest!

[Common] Malcolm Shaw stutters, "H-H-H-Hel-lp out-ts-sid-de es-sap-pe"

Suzy Bousum has disarmed Ruben Osterwise!

You hear a loud cracking sound coming from Ruben Osterwise.

Ruben Osterwise screams!

Matt Price is having trouble keeping their eyes open.

Suzy Bousum attempted to disarm Ruben Osterwise!

Matt Price fires the combat shotgun!

The slug shrapnel sticks in the wound!

Vladimir Osterwise is hit by the slug in the chest!

Something feels like it shattered in your upper body!

Vladimir Osterwise screams!

You feel broken bones moving in your upper body!

Something inside your upper body hurts a lot.

Matt Price fires the combat shotgun!

Your movement jostles the slug shrapnel in your upper body painfully.

Vladimir Osterwise screams!

[Common] Malcolm Shaw stutters, "H-Hel-l-l-lp-p"

Vladimir Osterwise kneed Matt Price in his left leg!

Vladimir Osterwise has been hit in the upper body with combat shotgun by Matt Price!

Vladimir Osterwise screams!

Suzy Bousum attempted to disarm Ruben Osterwise!

Matt Price fires the combat shotgun!

Vladimir Osterwise threw a glancing punch at Matt Price's right arm!

Ruben Osterwise threw Suzy Bousum a glancing kick to the left leg!

Suzy Bousum attempted to disarm Ruben Osterwise!

Ruben Osterwise stomped on Suzy Bousum's left foot!

Suzy Bousum has pushed Ruben Osterwise!

Matt Price fires the combat shotgun!

Suzy Bousum attempted to disarm Ruben Osterwise!

The slug shrapnel sticks in the wound!

You feel something rip in your upper body!

Vladimir Osterwise is hit by the slug in the chest!

You feel broken bones moving in your upper body!

Something inside your upper body hurts a lot.

You feel faint

You prime the flashbang! 5 seconds!

Vladimir Osterwise has thrown the flashbang.

[Common] Matt Price stutters, "Sec-cur-rit-ty t-to Med-dical-l!"

Matt Price talks into the medical radio headset

BANG

Matt Price fires the combat shotgun!

Ruben Osterwise is hit by the slug in the head!

Your upper body hurts badly.

...You almost hear someone talking...

... You can almost hear someone talking ...

... You can almost hear someone talking ...

... You can almost hear someone talking ...

... You can almost hear someone talking ...

... You can almost hear someone talking ...

... You can almost hear someone talking ...

...You almost hear someone talking...

... You can almost hear someone talking ...

... You can almost hear someone talking ...

Ruben Osterwise screams!

You hear a sickening crack.

Ruben Osterwise screams!

Erransis Fedranin says, "I have not... Come 263 years... To die in human-space."

Lokya Ariel says, "..."

The ghost of Ruben Osterwise now prowls among the dead.

Just in case you missed it, he begins to strip us of all our gear. If this doesn't constitute as playing hero in a situation where he would normally have absolutely no chance then I don't know what does. He began acting aggressively towards two well armed individuals, one of which he has already claimed is mentally retarded and would not likely respond well to any aggression in his current condition,

So I implore you to read ALL of the evidence presented, Binkow's retelling of the whole story, the chat logs, and the false AI claims and tell me that we were acting outside of the Roleplay Standards of NSS Aurora Station.

[CampinKiller]

Yeah, totally lying. I never tried to take your headset until you were dead, if I recall, and considering nobody was threatening me, why wouldn't I call Security for two armored and unstable individuals? In fact, as the above logs show, you guys were the ones stripping people.

And pardon me if I can't remember everything 100% accurate over 12 hours after it occurred, but I specifically recall being attacked and you trying to shoot the shotgun after you were able to stand, and so I disarmed you of it and used it when you guys began kicking me and trying to shoot me with the revolver again, not a stretch for an ex-Marine.

All your explanation did was basically admit to self-antagging, though.

EDIT: Also, I never shot either of you once you were down. I only fired when one of you stood up, and so blasted you again to put you back down, and then just let you bleed out.

[stevebuschemi]

Yeah, totally lying. I never tried to take your headset until you were dead, if I recall, and considering nobody was threatening me, why wouldn't I call Security for two armored and unstable individuals? In fact, as the above logs show, you guys were the ones stripping people.

And pardon me if I can't remember everything 100% accurate over 12 hours after it occurred, but I specifically recall being attacked and you trying to shoot the shotgun after you were able to stand, and so I disarmed you of it and used it when you guys began kicking me and trying to shoot me with the revolver again, not a stretch for an ex-Marine.

All your explanation did was basically admit to self-antagging, though.

 

Commander just posted the logs which prove you are indeed lying again. It shows you stripping me of my headset while I was on the ground- before ANY of the fighting occured and in fact this lead to the fighting. You were shot because you started the conflict by stripping an armored goon while held at gun point. And yes, don't post bullshit if you don't "remember 100%". Just read the logs- whatever BS you spout is refuted by the logs.

Edited March 17, 2016 by Guest

[CampinKiller]

Are you mad? Can you read? I never touched anyone when I got stunned. Ever.

EDIT: Turns out I did. Even then, you escalate to lethal force and attacking a doctor for trying to take a headset that you shouldn't have?

EDIT 2: You also accuse Sierra of lying, but you two did beat the fuck out of each other in the Psych Office, and Junior was screaming. Multiple people can attest to that. In fact, I witnessed most of the events Sierra mentioned, so just calling everyone liars is counterproductive.

Edited March 17, 2016 by Guest

[Commanderweb]

If your only argument against my evidence is "No, you doctored it." then you don't have an argument. Just claiming I did anything to the chat logs doesn't invalidate my argument. It just makes you look self righteous and defensive of your own actions.

Given the current situation any sane human would react the same to an aggressive individual, let alone a mentally retarded one. If we want to talk about escalation to lethal force we can bring up you unloading slugs into our bodies when we are already in Crit.

[CampinKiller]

Except I didnt. You tried to kill someone who was unconscious because they didn't have the ability to treat you. That's an uncalled for escalation of force. Me blasting you with a shotgun is a proper escalation, given you tried to kill me with it and both attacked me.

[stevebuschemi]

Are you mad? Can you read? I never touched anyone when I got stunned. Ever.

EDIT: Turns out I did. Even then, you escalate to lethal force and attacking a doctor for trying to take a headset that you shouldn't have?

 

LMAO! He shot you with the stun revolver after you decided it would be smart and totally in character for you to to start stripping an armed guy's radio- then you stole my combat shotgun and used it on us.. you were the one who escalated to lethal force?! You are very much in the wrong here, lmao.

[CampinKiller]

I stole the combat shotgun after you made several attempts to fire it, but couldn't because you hadnt racked it. I also did not know it was loaded with lethal rounds until I shot you two with it when you started shooting me with the revolver again, and that combined with the fact you were attacking me makes it justifiable to blow you away with lethal force.

[Commanderweb]

The Stun Revolver is not a lethal weapon. It was being used to stop you from stripping us of our gear, the only thing possible of protecting us from the cultists. You proceed to get up and immediately disarm the Grandfather, who so far has not shown any physical hostility to you in any way

Vladimir Osterwise has disarmed Matt Price!

*click click*

[Common] Adam Davis stutters, "C-CH-H-HAPEL-L"

Vladimir Osterwise attempted to disarm Matt Price!

Matt Price has pushed Vladimir Osterwise!

[Common] Adam Davis stutters, "FUC-C-C-CK-K"

[Common] Sslazhir Yinzr asks, "Where?"

Ruben Osterwise's the combat shotgun goes off during the struggle!

*click click*

[Common] Adam Davis stammers, "C-CHAP-P-PEL-L"

*click click*

*click click*

Matt Price attempted to disarm Ruben Osterwise!

Yet you feel the need to escalate to firing 3 shells into me before i lose conciousness, and at least 2 shells into the Grandfather. You continued to fire after we are both dead/crit. Because easily more than 5 shells were heard.

[Dreviore]

The Stun Revolver is not a lethal weapon. It was being used to stop you from stripping us of our gear, the only thing possible of protecting us from the cultists. You proceed to get up and immediately disarm the Grandfather, who so far has not shown any physical hostility to you in any way

Vladimir Osterwise has disarmed Matt Price!

*click click*

[Common] Adam Davis stutters, "C-CH-H-HAPEL-L"

Vladimir Osterwise attempted to disarm Matt Price!

Matt Price has pushed Vladimir Osterwise!

[Common] Adam Davis stutters, "FUC-C-C-CK-K"

[Common] Sslazhir Yinzr asks, "Where?"

Ruben Osterwise's the combat shotgun goes off during the struggle!

*click click*

[Common] Adam Davis stammers, "C-CHAP-P-PEL-L"

*click click*

*click click*

Matt Price attempted to disarm Ruben Osterwise!

Yet you feel the need to escalate to firing 3 shells into me before i lose conciousness, and at least 2 shells into the Grandfather. You continued to fire after we are both dead/crit. Because easily more than 5 shells were heard.

 

Protect you from the cult? You guys made it very clear that you sided with them without physically joining on the rune.

Excuse me for being confused, but you guys claimed to have robbed the armory with a cultist.

[stevebuschemi]

The Stun Revolver is not a lethal weapon. It was being used to stop you from stripping us of our gear, the only thing possible of protecting us from the cultists. You proceed to get up and immediately disarm the Grandfather, who so far has not shown any physical hostility to you in any way

Vladimir Osterwise has disarmed Matt Price!

*click click*

[Common] Adam Davis stutters, "C-CH-H-HAPEL-L"

Vladimir Osterwise attempted to disarm Matt Price!

Matt Price has pushed Vladimir Osterwise!

[Common] Adam Davis stutters, "FUC-C-C-CK-K"

[Common] Sslazhir Yinzr asks, "Where?"

Ruben Osterwise's the combat shotgun goes off during the struggle!

*click click*

[Common] Adam Davis stammers, "C-CHAP-P-PEL-L"

*click click*

*click click*

Matt Price attempted to disarm Ruben Osterwise!

Yet you feel the need to escalate to firing 3 shells into me before i lose conciousness, and at least 2 shells into the Grandfather. You continued to fire after we are both dead/crit. Because easily more than 5 shells were heard.

 

Protect you from the cult? You guys made it very clear that you sided with them without physically joining on the rune.

Excuse me for being confused, but you guys claimed to have robbed the armory with a cultist.

 

Yeah, my friend is mistaken here. I ended up being friends with the cultist- but he ended up having no relation as he never spoke to her.

[CampinKiller]

No physical threat towards me - minus him pulling the trigger on the shotgun and it not firing, several times, which is why I disarmed it from him before he figured out he needed to rack it. If him trying to fire a shotgun loaded with lethal slugs isn't a physical threat, then I don't know what is. Not to mention you'd shot me with a revolver several times already, so there was very much a threat you might finally figure out how to shoot the shotgun after knocking me out again

[stevebuschemi]

No physical threat towards me - minus him pulling the trigger on the shotgun and it not firing, several times, which is why I disarmed it from him before he figured out he needed to rack it. If him trying to fire a shotgun loaded with lethal slugs isn't a physical threat, then I don't know what is. Not to mention you'd shot me with a revolver several times already, so there was very much a threat you might finally figure out how to shoot the shotgun after knocking me out again

 

Uh.. it fired when you were struggling with me- it wasn't a problem with it not cocking. Also, a stun revolver isn't lethal, mate.

[CampinKiller]

So the constant click, click, click I heard as I was unconscious, and then after waking wasn't the shotgun? Considering the stun revolver had plenty of ammo left, it had to be the shotgun.

[Commanderweb]

Revolver was empty, right before you went unconcious.

Matt Price attempted to disarm Vladimir Osterwise!

Vladimir Osterwise punched himself in the upper body!

Your armor softens the blow!

Matt Price attempted to disarm Vladimir Osterwise!

You fire the stun revolver!

You fire the stun revolver!

The stun revolver is not ready to fire again!

Matt Price has disarmed Vladimir Osterwise!

Matt Price slumps to the ground, too weak to continue fighting.

[CampinKiller]

No, it wasn't, as you guys fired it two or three more times after I woke up. It not being ready to fire means you're trying to shoot too fast.

[Keknar]

This has strayed quite a bit from the initial complaint. Placing a temporary lock on the topic until Tenenza can respond.

[Tenenza]

Firstly, I open myself and my actions to review by the public, and acknowledge that my judgement may have been incorrect.

Secondly, I mean that first part very seriously, especially regarding Binkow's complaint, which as a matter of judgement regarding my conduct and professionalism as staff, I take to heart very much. As a result, I welcome any opinion or comment regarding my conduct from anyone, even if you are not directly involved. This special case, which I hope is permissible to the forum moderation team, is mostly because I don't feel an argument with a single person over my tone is going to be very beneficial or constructive. Still, please don't break any of the other forum rules.

Additional logs may be pulled if anyone wishes to request them.

For Binkow: AdminPM Logs

[21:56:28]ADMIN: PM: Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl)->Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise): Namaste! Hello! It appears you raided the armory and used weapons as an assisstant. Can I ask why?
[21:56:39]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): As an assistant?
[21:56:55]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): The cult person brought us into it or something
[21:57:00]ADMIN: PM: Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl)->Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise): Ahem, sorry, psychiatrist.
[21:57:10]ADMIN: PM: Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl)->Commanderweb/(Vladimir Osterwise): Could you please elaborate what you mean by that?
[21:57:13]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): We were working together with the cult
[21:57:33]ADMIN: PM: Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl)->Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise): Can I ask for what reason?
[21:57:48]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): I was nearly killed and refused medical treatment by security
[21:57:57]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): So the cult person came and saved me and killed the security guard
[21:58:05]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): I was blind the entire time cause my head was caved in
[21:58:08]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): and retarded
[21:58:20]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): We took guns so we could get out of the brig alive?
[22:00:04]ADMIN: PM: Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl)->Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise): So because you got beat by security and denied medical treatment, you decided to break into the armory, steal weapons, and then...attack medbay?
[22:00:11]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): ???
[22:00:15]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): What do you not get about the cult shit?
[22:00:25]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): I didn't fucking actively break into armory
[22:00:33]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): I was detained in brig.. cult members came and killed the person detaining me
[22:00:38]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): If you fucking listen to what I'm saying man
[22:01:08]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): I literally just told you what happened and you're like "oh so you decided to raid the armory after being denied medical treatment?"
[22:01:14]ADMIN: PM: Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl)->Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise): You are requested to change your tone at once, as it is not constructive to a civil discussion. You shall not be asked twice. Now, could you please then elaborate on how exactly you ended up attacking  medbay?
[22:01:23]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): ?????
[22:01:31]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): How did I attack Medbay? They assaulted us
[22:01:38]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): I was trying to get my vision fixed
[22:01:59]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): And I'm just responding to your tone- if you take it up with me I'll follow... it's your job as admin to not escalate the situation
[22:02:21]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): Asking a condescending question to me is not a good tone for admin
[22:03:20]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): My grand son brought me to the medbay because I was blind, my face was fucking caved in
[22:03:27]ADMIN: PM: Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl)->Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise): Please simply answer the questions. Now, have you read our server's rules?
[22:03:39]ADMIN: Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl) delayed the round end.
[22:03:44]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): The doctor tried to be a hero and became a military specialist
[22:03:52]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): and he killed us both
[22:04:01]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): I am legit answering the questions
[22:04:48]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): Yes I've read the rules
[22:08:39]ADMIN: PM: Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl)->Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise): Then please be aware that we have rules regarding what is and is not acceptable conduct for non-antagonists, specifically regarding conflict and escalation of force. In this regard, it is not considered acceptable escalation of force to go to stealing weapons, and actively attacking people due to being injured and denied medical aid by security. As this is your first offense, you shall recieve a warning, but please do not make a habit of this in the future. Do you understand?
[22:08:56]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): What? What do you not understand? They tried to kill me
[22:09:07]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): I was thrown into the midst on the cults
[22:09:10]ADMIN: PM: Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl)->Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise): Please answer the question. Do you understand?
[22:09:15]ADMIN: PM: Binkow/(Ruben Osterwise)->Tenenza/(Dimethylaminoethyl): YES I UNDERSTAND MR. ADMIN

 

In regards to Binkow's complaint:

I apologize if you feel that I offended you in any regard, but I stand by what I said. The round was ending and a great deal was happening at the same time, and I didn't have the time nor focus to be nice, so I choose to be straightforward. I'm not going to hold up everyone else on the server to deal with one person in a manner they find satisfactory. I'm sorry, but that's just how I prioritize things; the server as a whole first, individual happiness second. If you feel there is anything in particular that was offensive or inciting, please highlight it, and I will be more then happy to hear people's opinions regarding it.

 

For Commanderweb's complaint:

Simply put, a warning is hardly a punishment.

It is just that, a warning.

It's me, asking you, not to do X again, and putting it in a little folder you can access at any time to remind you that you shouldn't do X again.

Realistic is a term that gets thrown around a great deal in our rules. This is after all a heavy roleplay server. However, realistic is, despite some what some, including some staff, would argue; ultimately a subjective term. People do somethings snap, they do things irrational, and what not. But we don't permit that within the spectrum of our rules, simply because it's not conductive to good roleplay or making the server a better environment for enjoyable heavy roleplay(a term which, I acknowledge, some would find an oxymoron).

So no, my judgement was and remains that after being broken out of a detainment cell at your place of work by a sword wielding murderer, taking guns and deciding to work with said sword wielding murderer and attacking security personnel (which we do have logs of, as well as looting their body for their ID), and then attacking medical when they call security(also, backed by logs), is not realistic, nor conductive to good roleplay.

So, this is what this warning is:

It's Me.

Telling you.

That this is my judgement regarding what is and isn't realistic.

It isn't a ban.

It's hardly a punishment.

This isn't three strikes you're out.

As a result, you are expected not to do it in the future.

Because it'd be considered unrealistic, and a knowing violation of the rules, as clarified by me.

If another member of staff would like to contest that judgement, feel free.

But ultimately, after reviewing the logs, your explanation and argument, and spending the greater part of a day mulling over if the lack of time and my rush to get things wrapped up so we could start the next round had effected by judgement, I still stand by my judgement.