Political Compass Thread 2

[Guest]

Authoritarian =/= fascism

Stalin =/= communist

That graph makes me cry. True communism would be extreme bottom left as it's supposed to be stateless.

Well, you are partially right, but not for the reason you imagine. Stalin was a dictator, so the state wasn't democratic in nature. The only real difference between an ideal absolute monarchy and an ideal communist not-state is who holds the strings. While the former is the will of one man, the latter is the will of the collective, both are authoritative in nature. Apparently, there is an idea that if most people agree on something and decide to implement it, that it doesn't trump anyone's rights. Well, I think that idea is wrong.

[Vittorio Giurifiglio]

Welp time to warm up Aushwitz Commie.

Your argument is invalid. Communists aren't liberals.

 

Left-Libertarianism, is the fundamental basis for Marxism

[Vittorio Giurifiglio]

Welp time to warm up Aushwitz Commie.

 

Funny you should say that, I'm a jew.

 

/Pol/ was right again!

[Guest]

Left-Libertarianism, is the fundamental basis for Marxism

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism

"Anarchism has had a strained relationship with Marxism since Marx's life. Anarchists and libertarian socialists reject the need for a transitory state phase, claiming that socialism can only be established through decentralized, non-coercive organization. Individualist anarchists, who are often neither socialists nor capitalists, reject Marxism as a statist ideology. Anarchist Mikhail Bakunin criticized Marx for his authoritarian bent. The phrase "barracks socialism" became a shorthand for this critique, evoking the image of citizens' lives being as regimented as the lives of conscripts in a barracks."

Hmm, yes, I kinda see where you are coming from. However, people forget that transitionary state and lack of Right of Self-ownership. The USSR was on the right track to communism initially, but kinda got stuck there. Generally speaking, I agree with the Individualist Anarchists on that view. When push comes to shove, someone has to put the limit, in that sense, they aren't pure bottom liberals, aka. Anarchists.

[Vittorio Giurifiglio]

Left-Libertarianism, is the fundamental basis for Marxism

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism

"Anarchism has had a strained relationship with Marxism since Marx's life. Anarchists and libertarian socialists reject the need for a transitory state phase, claiming that socialism can only be established through decentralized, non-coercive organization. Individualist anarchists, who are often neither socialists nor capitalists, reject Marxism as a statist ideology. Anarchist Mikhail Bakunin criticized Marx for his authoritarian bent. The phrase "barracks socialism" became a shorthand for this critique, evoking the image of citizens' lives being as regimented as the lives of conscripts in a barracks."

Hmm, yes, I kinda see where you are coming from. However, people forget that transitionary state and lack of Right of Self-ownership. The USSR was on the right track to communism initially, but kinda got stuck there. Generally speaking, I agree with the Individualist Anarchists on that view. When push comes to shove, someone has to put the limit, in that sense, they aren't pure bottom liberals, aka. Anarchists.

 

You're misusing the phrase Liberals...

Liberals are generally Centre-Right Centrists Capitalists.

[Guest]

You're misusing the phrase Liberals...

Liberals are generally Centre-Right Centrists Capitalists.

Oops, my bad, meant libertarian. There is a wide array of liberals, however and they mostly coincide with libertarians when the question of government control over their lives is in question, so thus the confusion. A big government is not strictly a socialist government, but one that exterts massive amount of day-to-day rules and attempts to forcefully control how people lead their lives.

[swat43]

[Guest]

I am Lord Liberalis, it seems. Im not of favour of a fully free market, the death penalty, for human rights for all humans, animal rights. It's great.

 

I'm confused, you're not in favor of a free market and you consider yourself liberal?

[Jboy2000000]

I don't have to beleive everything that usually comes market packed with the Liberalism. Also, I may have misspoken a bit. Im just for strict corporate regulation for pollution and consumer rights.

[Mofo1995]

Well, there's at least two other people in my quadrant, even if they're far more centrist.

[witchbells]

This looks like a barrel of unfun, so I'll just jump right in.

 

[Jboy2000000]

The army grows, muhahahahaha.

[Mofo1995]

Apparently, nearly everyone I know is a commie, including all my friends that I polled.

[Rusty Shackleford]