TheNitrosKiller2 Posted November 28, 2014 Posted November 28, 2014 BYOND Key: TheNitrosKiller2 Total Ban Length: Permanent Banning staff member's Key: [unknown] Reason of Ban: Shooting someone as security for no reason. Arresting two people for no reason. Reason for Appeal: So, I was a security officer this round (I was jobbanned from all of security), and it was a nuke ops round. We were in red alert, and I had a C20-R SMG that I got from a nuke op that I arrested. I had it out because there were two nuke ops that had broke in to the armory previously, and flying around the station, so I wanted to be prepared (and red alert, so it wasn't illegal). The botanist let out a ton of bees on the starboard side of the ship, (oh my god, there were so many) and I and a few others got stung (yet, the admins believe that no one was stung). So, I found the botanist and arrested him for neglect of duty for endangering the crew by letting the bees escape botany and not be caught. So, I was hauling his ass to security when another asshole tried to break him free. He disarmed me, and the game mechanics dictate that "my gun goes off during the struggle", and the bullet hit the botanist (another reason for the jobban). So, I arrested the bloke who tried to free the botanist. I think Samantha helped me take both of them to security. I had them in a cell for a minute before the shuttle came, and I tried to take them. Another reason I was banned was because I "harmbattoned them" while in fact, I just battoned them once each because I got stuck in between them in the pod. Quite frankly, bullshit. That is why I wish to be unbanned from all security roles.
Skull132 Posted November 28, 2014 Posted November 28, 2014 Please go and familiarize yourself with the player complaint that was the cause of this ban: http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=575 You will notice that I listed off multiple infringements of whatever guidelines, as shaky as they may be, a security officer should adhere to. None of these were addressed in this unban request.
TheNitrosKiller2 Posted November 28, 2014 Author Posted November 28, 2014 Please go and familiarize yourself with the player complaint that was the cause of this ban: http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=575 You will notice that I listed off multiple infringements of whatever guidelines, as shaky as they may be, a security officer should adhere to. None of these were addressed in this unban request. I believe the ban request was removed from the forum, I can not seem to find it.
Skull132 Posted November 28, 2014 Posted November 28, 2014 The written ban reason is this: Banned from Warden, Detective, Forensic Technician, Security Officer, Security Cadet - Improper conduct as a security officer, immense overstepping of bounds, creating an unnecessarily dangerous situation, unrequired arrests. Ban placed as the result of a player complaint filed by Davidchan (now archived). Ban placed by Skull132. I advise you read the player complaint for the full reasoning, though.
TheNitrosKiller2 Posted November 28, 2014 Author Posted November 28, 2014 The written ban reason is this: Banned from Warden, Detective, Forensic Technician, Security Officer, Security Cadet - Improper conduct as a security officer, immense overstepping of bounds, creating an unnecessarily dangerous situation, unrequired arrests. Ban placed as the result of a player complaint filed by Davidchan (now archived). Ban placed by Skull132. I advise you read the player complaint for the full reasoning, though. Alright, let's see... I did not overstep any bounds, we were on red alert and there was a dangerous situation, and the bees were infesting the library and hurting many people around that area, check logs for people shouting for medbay. If misconduct means being an asshole IC, then yes, I preformed security officer misconduct. I explained previously that the arrests were required. I never created a dangerous situation? I would like for you to elaborate more on that.
Skull132 Posted November 28, 2014 Posted November 28, 2014 I never created a dangerous situation? I would like for you to elaborate more on that. The fact that a weapon in your possession was accidentally discharged and caused a highly damaging injury very clearly indicates that you created a dangerous situation. Weapons are to be handled in a manner where they never needless endanger people. You created such a situation. ...I did not overstep any bounds, we were on red alert and there was a dangerous situation... You were in code Blue. Also, please explain to me how arresting the botanist that had already, by accident released bees would resolve this situation? Your actions were inconsiderate, or based on a deeply flawed assessment of a situation where you believed that arresting the botanist would lead to curbing the situation, as I see no other reason for you to escalate power that quickly. This indicates a very clear lack of judgement. This should not be a trait for a security player.
TheNitrosKiller2 Posted November 28, 2014 Author Posted November 28, 2014 Another bad trait for a security officer is letting criminals go because what they did was an accident. And you don't always arrest to solve a situation, you do it to punish them. And I had a weapon in my possession at all times because it was recommended, as there were two highly dangerous individuals roaming the station, and all of the security supplies (stun batons, tazers, etc.) were taken. And we had a kill order on them.
Skull132 Posted November 28, 2014 Posted November 28, 2014 Then keep the gun stowed. On your vest. Not in your hand. You used considerable force when arresting an employee of your corporation. What irks me is the fact that you did not give them an opportunity to arrest them without force; you did not even tell them that they were under arrest, instead you very simply batoned them (and yes, I read the logs), cuffed them, and dragged them off without saying a single word. I'll go over the logs again, but these were my observations at the time.
TheNitrosKiller2 Posted November 28, 2014 Author Posted November 28, 2014 Considerable force? No. Without saying anything? Yes. I will give you that, but that hardly deserves a job ban.
TheNitrosKiller2 Posted November 28, 2014 Author Posted November 28, 2014 Then keep the gun stowed. On your vest. Not in your hand. You used considerable force when arresting an employee of your corporation. What irks me is the fact that you did not give them an opportunity to arrest them without force; you did not even tell them that they were under arrest, instead you very simply batoned them (and yes, I read the logs), cuffed them, and dragged them off without saying a single word. I'll go over the logs again, but these were my observations at the time. I actually didn't have room in my backpack, belt, or suit storage.
Frances Posted November 28, 2014 Posted November 28, 2014 I actually didn't have room in my backpack, belt, or suit storage.I cannot think that your backpack would be loaded enough that you couldn't temporarily put away something less important than a firearm, so you can actually put your SMG in it. That's not a valid excuse for failing to secure your weapon. Considerable force? No.Without saying anything? Yes. I will give you that, but that hardly deserves a job ban. You have racked up incident after incident during the last month, and are actually one misstep away from being permabanned. Considering the several breaches of protocol Skull clearly observed (not announcing any charges to the suspect, not calling the arrest on the proper channel, not making any efforts of stowing your gun away when arresting civilians, throwing your stun baton to arrest a suspect that was not resisting in anyway), the jobban is very deserved.
TheNitrosKiller2 Posted December 7, 2014 Author Posted December 7, 2014 I must respectfully disagree. I am banned for using a stun baton, carrying a weapon on blue alert, and not announcing my arresting someone. This happens to me all the time! Even from Uaekis once. Is he jobbanned? No, he is whitelisted for Head of Security. And again, I would like to apologize for doing so. But I can not be jobbanned for breaking standard operation procedures.
Frances Posted December 7, 2014 Posted December 7, 2014 I must respectfully disagree. I am banned for using a stun baton, carrying a weapon on blue alert, and not announcing my arresting someone. This happens to me all the time! Even from Uaekis once. Is he jobbanned? No, he is whitelisted for Head of Security. And again, I would like to apologize for doing so. But I can not be jobbanned for breaking standard operation procedures. Again, you're attempting to misrepresent the situation. You were not banned for "using a stun baton", but for using one on a civilian without warning, when the situation didn't call for it (as well as throwing it at them, which I believe is ridiculous). You were also not banned for carrying a weapon on code blue, but for failing to stow it safely when arresting a civilian. And I understand not verbally announcing your intent to arrest to somebody who you've just seen commit murder (though you technically would announce it once you subdued them, which is procedure), but not saying a single thing to somebody who made no attempt to resist, and was completely unaware of their charges, is a big no-no. This is just pointless back and forth - I'm presenting the facts to you, and you keep denying them. Since Skull is no longer active in this thread, I'll submit the verdict myself: this jobban was put in place due to several breaches of conduct during a single incident. You have failed to even recognize your fault in most of these incidents, up to and into your appeal. Your general conduct has brought you close to a permanent ban, and you are currently in no position to get any previous bans lifted. Thus, the jobban stays.
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