Player Complaint - MrPedantic, YouJustGotOwened

[Guest]

BYOND Key: oneonethreeeight

Game ID: bQVTSf

Player Byond Key: MrPedantic, YouJustGotOwened

Staff involved: None. "Issue" was not adminhelped as it was initially assumed throughout the course of the round that the antagonists would eventually stage a notable event where they would conflict with the rest of the station in some way and interact with more than just a scarce couple of people they kidnapped or coerced to hop onto their ship.

Reason for complaint: http://prntscr.com/c46ex4

Two antagonists rolled the same objective in a mercenary round, to take out the robotics fabricator and render it inoperable.

They chose to use a TTV in order to carry out this deed.

Upon detonation of the explosive, the entire starboard hall, mech bay, research and library were either obliterated or heavily crippled. The mech bay was the epicenter of the explosion.

Because of the explosion in a centralized location such as research, its area of effect was utterly incredible and it reached its destructive force from the mech bay into the medical bay, as well as the eastern portion of the civilian sector.

A total of six people died almost instantaneously due to the breaches and lack of oxygen in critical areas. As the CMO, I was the one who was chiefly responsible for bagging and tagging the dead. Autopsies were done and they were all deceased within minute intervals of each other.

Cloning and processing of the dead was not done until 20 minutes after the explosion due to the central area of medical being vented, in addition to the cloning lab itself being deprived wholly of any and all pressure and breathable air. It was 30 minutes before I could clone the first person. 4 were DNC due to their players deciding not to play the rest of the round or due to them joining the emergency response team that was called thereafter because the mercenary team proclaimed themselves as the ever-infamous edgy Tup Commando squad.

Only one of them was actually a Tup, but their level of interaction with the rest of the station was rather minimal aside from the bombing. The station shields were turned on, and the Skrell RD decided it'd be super cool to hitch a ride from strangers claiming to be from said character's government. Said RD was willing to not give a shit about six people being violently murdered in cold blood or due to absolute carelessness and ignorance of the power of a tank transfer valve bomb. I will assume incompetence before wrongdoing, however.

Upon being questioned in OOC, Owen and MrPedantic chose not to answer as to why they felt the bombing was actually necessary to carry out their objective. They responded with the same old irresponsible "make a complaint if it bothers you this much, I don't have to answer to anyone" rather than manning up and actually giving an honest answer.

The display of IC and OOC conduct from both of these supposed leaders of the mercenary group was rephrensible and their contact with the station was minimal aside from the mindless antag hugging (as cute as it sounds, it was rather damaging on the departmental integrity side of research, not as if it was functioning anyway) and circlejerking from two Skrell whitelistees, one of whom was blatantly ignoring the fact that the mercenary group effectively committed horrid acts of terrorism for nothing better than greentext.

I will not blame the system itself, for the system does not deserve fault for the actions of individuals seeking to win for the sake of a contest. They were not interested in making the round interesting, they preferred playing it safe, not dying, not confronting the station until the very end of the round when the shuttle departed and they returned to ransack an empty station and duel with a lone ERT.

The last detail effectively tells me exactly what Pedantic wanted: To shoot cool guns and click spacemen until they turn horizontal. Their attitude in OOC deflecting any responsibility and showing no actual shame for having taken 6 people out of the round for no perceivable reason aside from acquiring greentext would be unbecoming of any other player who would carry out the same.

Owen is just as responsible for the team's actions as they were a large driving force and team leader of the mercenary group, and whom also sought to gain from the detonation that occurred in the mech bay.

To gank and take someone out of the round without acceptable roleplay motivation is one thing, to gank six people who had no actual knowledge an antagonist was planting a bomb within their vicinity is a much larger one for the sake of proportioning. Neither has ever been considered as acceptable on this server.

Approximate Date/Time: 10-AUG-2016, approx 4:30-6:30PM

[Owen]

I appreciate that you made a complaint about this where something may actually be done if the administration deems punishing me necassary. Now, I would rather not have this be tons of pages of people flinging insults back and forth as many player complaints have done in the past.

The reason that we both has that objective marked for us was because it was decided in AOOC that it would be our team objective to hinder synthetic production capabilities and decommission synthetics as we came across them. I'm actually not sure why it wasn't the official objective for all of us. There were four of us in total, at least for one of them, it was their first time as an antag on this server.

Moving onto the events that led up to the bombing. The Unathi and I were dropped off in the South-East part of the station so we could get onto the station through the Research Maintenance. We split up, said good luck to each other as the Unathi was going to attempt to sabotage Robotics and I was going to establish communications with the Federation citizens on the station to see if we could get them to work with us or give us information. Just gain sympathisers for our cause.

I was unsure on how to approach the first person on the station so I was just pacing around in Science maintenance for a few minutes to make up a plan. In that time, the Unath activated the bomb, from what I can tell there was a mistake because shortly after the bomb detonated, the Unathi came struggling down maintenance to our entry point where i noticed that his leg was gone. It wasn't even in our plans to have any organic casualties. The only deaths that we would've been fine with would've been synthetics that were located in the Robotics facility. But as I said before, the bomb was not set correctly as the Unathi missed the actual machinery in Robotics, hitting mostly the maintenance (Where I think the bomb was placed) the Mech Bay and surrounding areas. It was overall, a failure at the bombing.

After that failure, I used it to enact a plan that I just thought up in the meantime. It would be to act like a Tup Commando (Already was one but was working with independent contractors who were attempting to damage the synthetic research aboard the NSS Exodus). While I would be acting like I was a Commando, I would claim that I and several other operative cells around Tau Ceti were tasked with stopping multiple groups of Hegemon Shadow Service agents that were going to full out bomb the stations instead of hitting synthetic facilities that were agreed upon. The Tups would claim that they did not plan on intervening in the bombings until they found out that organics would be killed in the process and the tipping point being when the information that multiple Federation citizens would also become deceased.

So, I rolled with the plan, attempting to gain the trust of the Skrell that were on the station at the time by speaking over the Common frequency to them, claiming that I was here to help and that we could mutually benefit each other. The end goal of this plan would just to be to get more Skrell sympathizers and play the hero of the situation as we "Captured the bombing Unathi" by simply bringing them back to the ship because he was crippled.

I believed that it was fairly well thought out and still am confused as to the reason why Delta is continuing to be mad about this. Sure, things didn't go to plan and people died. But, we had more that we wanted to get done but, the ERT was called immediately after the bombing. I don't even believe that the Command staff were aware that intruders were on the station at that time.

I said what I needed to say at this time, I just think this whole thing became a fuck up after the intial bombing failure that just caused us to improvise. I thought that it was succesful as I managed to recruit Skrell to the cause and possibly, release them back to Tau Ceti with whatever orders or something that upper management in the Tup Commando Division would task them with.

[Guest]

I believed that it was fairly well thought out and still am confused as to the reason why Delta is continuing to be mad about this. Sure, things didn't go to plan and people died. But, we had more that we wanted to get done but, the ERT was called immediately after the bombing. I don't even believe that the Command staff were aware that intruders were on the station at that time.

 

Six people died unnecessarily because of a neglectfully placed bomb. Six people were taken out of the round in an instant and were not able to play for almost a half hour. The mercenary team did not open with a little pillaging here and there, they snuck right into the station undetected, blew up a bomb in the middle of a high-traffic area and wrote it off like it was nothing. I endeavored to get those six people back into the round as quick as I could, but due to the consequence of the blast yield also reaching into medical, the department was inoperable and unable to help anyone for 20 minutes. Including those still alive.

There's no way that everyone in the team was unconcerned about collateral damage in relation to TTV bombs. I recognize 3 out of the 4 names listed in the antag reveal. You all have been here long enough to see the damage a TTV can do. You were not spotted until after the bomb went off and you tried to do damage control over comms, that means you basically just ganked six players without prior roleplay whatsoever, whether intentional or not, it was incredibly irresponsible and very poor antagonist play.

[Owen]

Well, I made my case and will wait for an admin's questioning and or ruling. I didn't physically set off a bomb and the people who died were not meant to. There was an accident in setting off the bomb. That was reported to my character ICly.

[Chaznoodles]

I was one of the engineers this shift, and I'm on Delta's side here. The entirety of Medbay was vented as well as parts having been destroyed, Botany across the corridor was damaged, the Library was damaged, the entirety of the corridor was vented and a large chunk blown up, Mechbay was entirely gone, half of Robotics was gone, Science was vented as well as parts being destroyed. Instead of creating anti-synth sided roleplay for the rest of the playerbase, the antags greentexted and did virtually nothing else. This was not an enjoyable experience.

 

Well, I made my case and will wait for an admin's questioning and or ruling. I didn't physically set off a bomb and the people who died were not meant to. There was an accident in setting off the bomb. That was reported to my character ICly.

 

I don't quite understand this. You're saying you accidentally set off a bomb. However, I was the first to reach the ruined section of the station, and I found a second bomb with a timer, merrily ticking away. That was not an accident.

 

But, we had more that we wanted to get done but, the ERT was called immediately after the bombing. I don't even believe that the Command staff were aware that intruders were on the station at that time.

 

The ERT consisted of one person, who came in full combat gear, with no supplies at all to assist in rebuilding, so I'm unsure what purchase that has on this report. Nobody was aware that there were intruders on the station, because the clear majority of the crew never interacted with any of you, and I'm unsure if people even saw you.

[Nikov]

I was an engineer, and I enjoyed it. If you give a man a bomb, and tell him to knock out Robotics, don't complain that bomb is used and areas next to Robotics gets damaged. He bombed Robotics directly, and Robotics was disabled. Roboticists were asking me to fix their mech charging stations, they were destroyed. The space was vented. Good game. Adjacent to Robotics is the morgue. Not a big social hangout. Adjacent to Robotics is Telescience. Two scientists were happily chatting away inside.

Six people got killed because we don't have Space Balls. Yet . Four of them decided to become maintenance drones or mice. Their brain wasn't thrown into deep space, they were recovered and scanned. No effort was made to keep the bodies from being cloned. No foul play there. Sometimes you just get killed. Space is a griefer.

[Natwhite]

Alrighty, A few questions.

Firstly, In what way during the course of the round did the antagonists interact with crew\players, was there warnings or demands issued.

Or was it a preemptive bombing to cripple Their objective before the crew was aware and able to mount a plan to stop them?

The first one was mostly an accident of some sort, From what I see in logs. But, was it misplaced or he was delayed and did not reach the intended area before the timer expired? or did he not move out of range in time and was the location it was detonated at expected to reach the robotics machinery?

Also I see here there was a second one placed, but likely had its tanks removed, so it fizzled after it was found (as chaz claims to have found it) I am curious as to your reasoning for the location it was placed at.

Also awaiting input from MrPedantic's Side of this, since he is the player that planted and executed the bombings.

[MrPedantic]

Right as the bomber, just to explain the bombing , it was a simple plan, the bomb would be armed placed in robotics, with a long fuse, and then cause a bomb scare among the surrounding people making sure they cleared the area, before it went of, I had actually intended to give the bomb enough time that it could have reasonably been stopped by someone ballsy enough to go in for it, however I was suffering some lag at the time, and wasn't being overly careful, so upon trying to click on something I mouse lag hopped and I ended up clicking the open valve button, which obviously gave me a split second of of fuck; what have I done, and then the bomb exploded in my hands. However I do feel that the way the situation was manipulated by my Skrell friend was very much a interesting on the spot plan, and could have engaged alot of people, however I have no real clue what happened beyond this point as I was mostly out the loop, after having to fly back the the ship with a missing leg, and then sit around doing nothing and trying to RP with a prisoner the other two took, who said about two things then sat there not talking, I presume tabbed out. I actually planted no further bombs from this point as I only went with one in the first place, however I do know the other two were about planting bombs and the like, but they were pushing for this lets go loud and start killing lots of people approach which I told them to not do as we didn't need to end more innocent lives, however they were mostly off ship as well so I don't really know what they were doing either. From what I could hear through the radio though it seemed the command staff was doing allot to try and keep the crew from finding us, and seemed to take efforts to make sure we were only dealing and talking with them which might have had something to do with our apparent absence, however again I was literally absent because I had no leg and no way to get a new one for quite a while.

[Guest]

Firstly, In what way during the course of the round did the antagonists interact with crew\players, was there warnings or demands issued.

 

I was command staff. No true demands were made.

 

Or was it a preemptive bombing to cripple Their objective before the crew was aware and able to mount a plan to stop them?

 

That is a correct assertion.

The second bomb was found by a combat cyborg originally, evidently it had its timer removed and it was never live. Everyone who wasn't a bomb expert in regards to what a fully-assembled bomb actually looks like, cried out "bomb" as I'm sure a fair few of people would recognize the TTV assembly. The combat cyborg dragged off the bomb with super-droideka speed to seek someone who could actually dismantle it.

[Chaznoodles]

The second bomb was found by a combat cyborg originally, evidently it had its timer removed and it was never live. Everyone who wasn't a bomb expert in regards to what a fully-assembled bomb actually looks like, cried out "bomb" as I'm sure a fair few of people would recognize the TTV assembly. The combat cyborg dragged off the bomb with super-droideka speed to seek someone who could actually dismantle it.

 

That bomb was the bomb I dismantled and put in my backpack. Later in the round, I threw it into the Security corridor, unarmed, because literally nobody had panicked the entire round and nobody even seemed to care that part of the station had been destroyed and that people had died.

[Guest]

The second bomb was found by a combat cyborg originally, evidently it had its timer removed and it was never live. Everyone who wasn't a bomb expert in regards to what a fully-assembled bomb actually looks like, cried out "bomb" as I'm sure a fair few of people would recognize the TTV assembly. The combat cyborg dragged off the bomb with super-droideka speed to seek someone who could actually dismantle it.

 

That bomb was the bomb I dismantled and put in my backpack. Later in the round, I threw it into the Security corridor, unarmed, because literally nobody had panicked the entire round and nobody even seemed to care that part of the station had been destroyed and that people had died.

 

That would wholly explain the presence of the second bomb, thank you.

[sonicgotnuked]

I was a cyborg during that round and there was really no interaction at all after the bombing, I was sitting there in the science servers making a spam filter and all of a sudden a lag spike came and the servers lost power and was breached with me getting a instant brute to my Armour. After that I inspected the breach and found the half of robotics still there with power and a fab, I took metal from the breach and got replacement armor and a reset then found a scientist to make me a combat borg. After that I had a decent round (Mainly because I was a combat borg) but there was really no antaging after that.

[Natwhite]

The way we see it is, While the bomb was an accident your actions as "whole" during the round was slightly questionable as antags, if there was a lack of communication\Interaction during the round. After all, Antags are there to make the round as whole, interesting for both you and the crew members as best you can.

I do understand that it can quite hard at times to know when to break stealth-antaging to put some spice into a round. But please for future reference, try not to over do it with the bombs without warnings or demands ect. While they certainly hit your target, they can also (as you're aware now) cause alote of unintentional deaths resulting from breaches or the explosion itself.

That being said and this pretty much being sorted, Locking and archiving in 24hours as of now.

[Guest]

I'm dropping it, yeah, you can close this.

[Natwhite]

Locking and archiving.