[Resolved] Player Complaint - Mcspizzy

[hivefleetchicken]

BYOND Key: Hivefleetchicken

Game ID: No idea. Im just deciding today that enough is enough. It was sometime last night.

Player Byond Key: Mcspizzy

Staff involved: CakeIsOssim is the guy to ask about this. He can probably fetch a time and place, since I don't have logs.

Reason for complaint:

I got PMed the other night for feeding Mcspizzy around 4 sips of water from a paper cut. Since apparently that was worth ahelping, I'll explain why I did it. Spizzys character Blackwell was just clouded in pepperspray from a grenade, and sputtering on the floor. I dragged them to the medical bay and gave them some water. Then they were feeling better and we walked a bit in ooc. Then they went afk so i dragged them to a stool which they got off of, and i left them. Then i got PMed by cake requesting me to not mess with afks.

The fact that I got PMed for giving them water, and expecting me to believe they were afk at the time, confused me so much. I had to ask multiple times in PMs if that was a real thing that was happening.

Anyways today on discord i saw they were online and due to the nature of them discussing people being shit I asked if they were the one who ahelped about being given water. They said, right then and there, that the sec IPC (me) fed them an entire bottle of vodka after they declared to be AFK. after some prying and continuous story changing and admins saying it wasnt appropriate and that I should make a complaint I did. I dont know what these accomplish since the only one whos been getting pmed is me, but id like to request that spizzy not lie in PMs. Its not my place to order them not to lie in discord faking that ive done stuff but it is my place to complain when i am getting PMed for their lies.

Did you attempt to adminhelp the issue at the time? If so, what was the known action taken by administration/moderation? I was the one PMed since Spizzy lied in an adminhelp, but I explained it then to CakeIsOssim and we both agreed it was a non issue and I wouldnt be punished for it since the actual story was much different than ahelped.

Approximate Date/Time: it would have to be sometime around 11PM PST last night on server.

I know for certain that the only person he could have been talking about was me, since I was the only other member of sec besides them.

[hivefleetchicken]

Forgot to add additional notes so here they are:

I have to make this complaint because I can't make one against my self for the purpose of dialogue and I can't just sit by and be lied about in ahelps either.

Yeah i didnt get punished at all, thank fuck, who would for feeding someone water. I would just like if spizzy did not lie in the future and risk someone getting in trouble for something much more serious that gets "miscommunicated". I dont want anyone busted, just a bit of dialogue. If thats inappropriate for the complaints section, im sorry, i was told normally talking about it was against the rules by admins

[Mcspizzy]

well, there is a large misunderstanding. I tried to tell you this on the discord, three times. i did not ahelp you for force feeding me water in medbay. if you were ahelped during that time, it was by someone else. Now, i assume that you are the IPC warden, who was an officer the next round. I cant remember the name of them, but if that was you i would appreciate you confirming this. as it will not only help admins in figuring this out, but will also help me, for ill continue with what happened the next round. as stated, the round after the IPC warden was now an officer. we had been patrolling for a while, and i had to go afk for a bit. now, earlier in the round, an engineer had built a mini bar near medbay and sec. this spot happened to be where we were patrolling, and where i had gone afk. every time i go afk, i type in LOOC that i have gone afk, so people know whats up. while i was afk, the IPC warden/officer pulled me over to the bar counter, set me in a seat, and pulled out a camera. at the time, i had peaked over to my screen to see this happening, and moved away, while also typing in LOOC to tell them to stop, that i was afk. the IPC kept pulling me toward the counter, and i had to completely stop what i was doing out of game to fight with them. when i typed again in looc for them to stop, they ran off. i then ahelped, asking an admin to show them the rule on AFK/SSD player interaction, and why its bad to do so. i did add a section on force feeding, as we were in the area of alcohol, and booze, with the character not stoping after being asked to in LOOC.

[hivefleetchicken]

Okay. Ill start at the water feeding.

That was the same round, the round we were in the medbay and the round you went afk.

Not only that, but it couldnt have been more than 5 minutes between these two incidents you describe.

Anyways, you said you were afk in OOC, yes. That was clear. You went afk in the middle of the central hall, so i took you about five tiles to the east to sit you down in a chair. Then i began walking away. I saw you move a bit. I guess i went over to you and put you in the seat again. You told me to stop and i buggered off, asuming you would prefer to be left standing up. Oh well. Then i got messaged by cake, who requested that i not force feed afks.

Your story here is a lot closer to what actually happened, but i cant say the same for the first time you described it.

According to you earlier today in front of everyone, the incident went more like this:

 

You declared you were afk, and i then fed you "a ton of vodka" and fucked with you. When I was PMed by cake, this is what was ahelped. That I was force feeding you. I dont know why you would make that up. I really dont. I dont know what possible urgency of me pulling you to a seat because you were afk would cause you to lie to staff and ahelp requesting I be reprimanded. But you did.

Now you say here that you did ahelp about me force feeding you. Your original recollection in the aurora chat, as seen above, also states I force fed you. That is simply not true. You said so yourself in pms.

 

Idk why you gotta lie in adminhelps but that shit needs to stop bro. You cannot lie about things people did not do to admins.

This was seriously a tiny, and in my opinion, utterly insignificant and meaningless thing to ahelp over. I have never seen anyone take issue with being carried to a chair when they need to afk. Yet you found reason to ahelp, and found reason to lie to staff about it.

I am grateful you didnt decide to lie about something more significant and get someone banned, but lying in ahelps is still something i need to request you never EVER do period.

[Mcspizzy]

I guess i have to be 100% litteral when around you in discord, huh. I'd like to request an admin look into this ahelp, as these two game IDs are the rounds were it happened: bPX-aAda & bPX-aXSj . as id rather there be actual facts posted, rather than him posting discord screen caps of general, where people will post things that if you were to do ingame you would be banned. Him calling this his proof and calling me a liar is pretty obscene. now, id like to know what you were doing with the camera, because it sure looked like it to me, that you were trying to take advantage of me being afk to take a picture of a security officer drinking on the job, something that gets peoples characters fired. id also like to know why it took a second LOOC post for you to finally stop.

[CakeIsOssim]

FULL somewhat edited (removal of broken HTML) logs (according to relevancy):

 

[07:00:39] bPX-aXSj SAY: Mcspizzy/(Mandy Blackwell) : (Ceti Basic) w-w-w-we need o c-c-cat-t-t-tc-ch-h-h-h t-th-h-hat-t g-guy-y..

(Unsure of the cause of this stuttering. If I had to guess, probably a cloud of pepperspray, as Hive claims. There is no recent attack log to indicate anything else.)

(Might I also add, there was no indicator of any LOOC communication even before the above log and the below logs of force feeding.)

[07:01:54] bPX-aXSj ATTACK: Hivefleetchicken/(SID-NIE) fed Mcspizzy/(Mandy Blackwell) with paper cup. Reagents: water (10) (INTENT: HELP)

[07:01:55] bPX-aXSj ATTACK: Hivefleetchicken/(SID-NIE) fed Mcspizzy/(Mandy Blackwell) with paper cup. Reagents: water (5) (INTENT: HELP)

[07:01:56] bPX-aXSj ATTACK: Hivefleetchicken/(SID-NIE) fed Mcspizzy/(Mandy Blackwell) with paper cup. Reagents: EMPTY (INTENT: HELP)

[07:02:13] bPX-aXSj ATTACK: Hivefleetchicken/(SID-NIE) fed Mcspizzy/(Mandy Blackwell) with paper cup. Reagents: water (10) (INTENT: HELP)

[07:02:14] bPX-aXSj ATTACK: Hivefleetchicken/(SID-NIE) fed Mcspizzy/(Mandy Blackwell) with paper cup. Reagents: water (5) (INTENT: HELP)

[07:02:15] bPX-aXSj ATTACK: Hivefleetchicken/(SID-NIE) fed Mcspizzy/(Mandy Blackwell) with paper cup. Reagents: EMPTY (INTENT: HELP)

[07:02:16] bPX-aXSj ATTACK: Hivefleetchicken/(SID-NIE) fed Mcspizzy/(Mandy Blackwell) with paper cup. Reagents: EMPTY (INTENT: HELP)

[07:06:53] bPX-aXSj ADMIN: HELP: Mcspizzy/(Mandy Blackwell): could you tell the officer SID-NIE that its bad to touch people when they say they are afk. ecpecially trying to force feed them booze. - heard by 4 non-AFK admins.

(I called dibs on it here, I will leave this log out intentionally because it's full of broken HTML or some shit.)

[07:07:08] bPX-aXSj ADMIN: PM: CakeIsOssim/(Milton Schrader)->Mcspizzy/(Mandy Blackwell): yes

[07:08:30] bPX-aXSj ADMIN: PM: CakeIsOssim/(Milton Schrader)->Hivefleetchicken/(SID-NIE): pls don't force feed people who are AFK

[07:08:38] bPX-aXSj ADMIN: PM: Hivefleetchicken/(SID-NIE)->CakeIsOssim/(Milton Schrader): Sorry? What?

[07:09:04] bPX-aXSj ADMIN: PM: CakeIsOssim/(Milton Schrader)->Hivefleetchicken/(SID-NIE): the person you force fed the water cup has informed me that they were afk

[07:09:48] bPX-aXSj ADMIN: PM: Hivefleetchicken/(SID-NIE)->CakeIsOssim/(Milton Schrader): Uhhhhh they were not, they said "brb" going afk about two conversations and five minutes later. Please tell them not to make stuff up and also maybe not ahelp for being fed water lmao

[07:10:12] bPX-aXSj ADMIN: PM: CakeIsOssim/(Milton Schrader)->Hivefleetchicken/(SID-NIE): alrighty then

The rest of the logs are irrelevant at this point.

 

 

 

In conclusion, you failed to make it apparent that you were not at your computer or otherwise not able to play. For this, I am declaring this a non-issue for the second time, and closing this complaint. No punishments will be applied. Please pay attention, try to do a better job of communicating with people, and don't assume things or make things up. Bear in mind, I am not accusing you of any of these things, but the logs and the stories tell me that at least one of these things occurred.