K0NFL1QT - Antag Ban Appeal

[K0NFL1QT]

BYOND Key: K0NFL1QT

Total Ban Length: Permanent

Banning staff member's Key: Unknown. Sebkiller handled the ahelps but I do not know who applied the ban.

Reason of Ban: "past behavior, and actions taken in the round, regarding improper escalation of conflict, and ganking."

Reason for Appeal:

Game ID: bTg-cOVw

In this round, I attempted to eliminate the AI and borgs to prevent them from interfering in planned later activities, and in doing so recieved a permanent antag ban. I'm not here to say I did nothing wrong and deserve no punishment, only to ask that the permanent status of this ban be instead of a defined length.

To break down the actual infractions of that round, I did two things; uploaded a kill order to an AI, was bwoinked and told that's a no-no, so I went to undo the kill order. I still wanted the AI out of the way though, so I carded it with its transmitter turned off, then blew up a borg.

Regarding the AI;

Did I interact with them? Yes.

Did they have a chance to avoid their fate? Yes.

The AI had the opportunity to deny assisting my RD from claiming Acting Captian on the grounds that, currently, IPCs are not authorised for Captain level duties. Following that same logic, they could have not turned off their turrets to permit me into the AI Upload and AI Core, although I recognise by this point I was being treated as a legitimate Captain. That said, I know now that kill orders are still considered 'gank' regardless of interaction, so there's no defending that. After I carded the AI, I left them alive but intentionally out of contact with most of the crew so that I would be able to go ahead with my plan without their interference. Except, now that I look back on it, there were two sec officer IPCs that were on the AI Binary channel due to a bug, and the AI was probably communicating to them that way regardless of my attempts to isolate it.

Regarding the borg;

Did I interact with them? Yes, during their construction.

Did they have a chance to avoid their fate? No.

I'll admit this was shitty, but I thought it would be permissable as a Traitor RD. It has been done to me before, and deemed totally fine. I have clearly been corrected.

Let me lay out the full context. The actions which were deemed unacceptable came during my second traitor character of the shift, after my first was murdered by a station-bound and regularly lawed borg. I'm not going to put everything on this instance, but there was a tense, adrenaline pumping fight, which ended in disappointment because a borg player broke the rules. As a ghost, I could see the borg player wasn't punitively removed for their actions, and that I wasn't going to get any admin assistance to revive my character to correct the mistake that, in character terms, simply shouldn't have happened in the first place; the borg apparantly did not know that lawed synths do not, under any circumstance, kill crew. So, I'm just putting it here that coming into the second character, and being made antag again due to autotraitor, I was already fresh from a somewhat emotional trip and my judgement may have been impaired by that. Admittedly, at this point I simply didn't want to risk any further interference by borgs.

With that in consideration, let's look at the permanent nature of this ban. I do not contest that in hindsight my actions were worthy of punishment. While I do not know what my notes say, but of my six warnings over my near four year stay here, three relate to 'improper escalation'. One was five months ago. Another was seventeen months ago and the last was about twenty months ago. This is not frequent and persistant behaviour, and I don't actually antag often due to not wanting to intentionally break rules, but this is one or two incidents a year based on misunderstandings. For example, I recently had a ninja round where not only did things escalate acceptably, I took the spare and pre-emptively disarmed Sec to prevent them validhunting me, but nobody even died that round as a result of my character because Ninjas simply do not need to kill to achieve their objectives. I've been part of recent rev rounds that were also fine.

Also I'd like to point out that I recognise when I make mistakes and try to correct them, as evidenced by the fact that since my temporary AI ban I have not had a single incident regarding non-antag station synthetic behaviour. I do not get aggressive with staff when questioned or punished, and I do make efforts to engage with the community to discuss how to better approach these situations, as evidenced by the following threads;

How do you provide interesting RP to a player you intend to kill

https://forums.aurorastation.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=9446

What is Gank?

https://forums.aurorastation.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=10544

Looking back at the round in question, I believe I was using predicted behaviour to justify pre-emptive action. That is to say, my assumption that the AI and borgs were going to do everything in their power to shut me down during my eventual actions led me to prioritising removing them first, which is definately something I can address in my playstyle. In pre-empting problems that have not yet manifested, I can see that actions appear random, lacking in RP and ganky, before a longer and more complex plot can get played out to justify the earlier actions.

TLDR;

I'm appealing the apparantly permanent status of this ban because, while I do make mistakes I respectfully own and try to correct them, and there are examples of antag rounds where my conduct was not in anyway questionable. If the staff reviewing this are merciful, I will accept a shorter ban time on a parole basis with the condition that a further transgression for this same behaviour results in an even harsher punishment, but this is ultimately up to you.

[Pratepresidenten]

Hello! A few things to clear up some issues in the thread here.

The borg that took you down was within its right to act, as you could not be taken down by the only counter it had (Flash) due to your welding helmet. It stopped as soon as you were downed, as the the AI told it to. You died due to medical not providing immediate treatment on scene, the borg didnt finish you off.

There is also the issue with you using your status as RD to valid the borgs which had caused you no issues. This was a pretty clear cut metagrudging case for being indirectly killed by a borg.

The AI chose to give you acting Captaincy to handle the situation as you so told it. It had no reason to suspect you of anything, neither did the other borgs. It did not have any reason to rule lawyer and be difficult despite knowing you were a traitor coming into its core. Because as RD, it is literally your job to deal with AI systems.

Lawing it to serve you would have been a better move, both for you and it, instead of just removing it from the round.

But mistakes are made when you're in an adrenaline fueled rage.

In any case! Saved the good news for last. The ban is not permanent, it was only a week long. And it will expire in 2 days.

[K0NFL1QT]

I was never informed of the ban duration, and it's not otherwise visible to me anyway. Regardless, I will try to do better in future.

[sebkillerDK]

Total Ban Length: Permanent

Banning staff member's Key: Unknown. Sebkiller handled the ahelps but I do not know who applied the ban.

 

Alright, so a quick clarification. I was the banning staff member in this case, and as mentioned by Prate, this is not a permanent ban, but a temporary ban of a week, that expires in 2 days.

as for the ban duration itself, i will admit that i may have forgotten to inform you of the ban duration when handing out the ban, and this is a flaw on my end, which i apologise for, as it seems to have lead to confusion.

As for the ban itself, i feel there is no point lifting it early, as it expires in just 2 days, and that the original intent of this appeal was to shorten/appeal a permanent ban, which was not present.

I will therefore be denying this appeal, as the ban expires in 2 days.

[K0NFL1QT]

Yeah, that's fine.

100% reformed.