Roderick Grey

I'm not saying I'm going to metagrudge you, what I'm saying is I'm not going to let you go on a CE tirade, the next time you burst into the brig flashing people I'm just going to brig you because you took a minor incident and blew it WAY out of proportion both IC and OOC. I feel like I am being fairly reasonable, I'm doing my best to understand your frustration, but it doesn't seem like most of the issues rose from my sec play; this seems to have really started from Oliver and Nia having a shit throwing fight and then me taking their side because I didn't like how you were handling things. As a head you SHOULD know procedure and if you're going to be demoting people over their misconduct you better make sure you're not screwing up yourself. You were which meant I didn't respect your orders when they weren't yours to make, and I didn't when you MADE them yours to make, I also didn't bother with the captain, because he pretty much was a Yes Man that handed Captaincy back to you, and didn't even do a good job of that. I didn't respect any paperwork that had was issued without my say on the incident, because you were extremely bias, you were petty and you weren't capable of managing security anyway! This wasn't about misconduct, you didn't give a shit about the prisoner, you never checked up on them, asked after them, got their side or anything, this was about you and your sec vendetta. I've pointed out the problems I had, I've explained how and why I reacted to them, and I've done the best I can to point out how you can avoid me not following your orders in the future but it seems like the problem here is more with your ooc attitude than my IC attitude as Fenrir.

.Nope, Astor looked at them first, then the chaplain wandered up to Sec, nobody asked for them, if you bothered to get the full story you'd know that instead you didn't. Alright, we disagree. To me you came off as hostile and rude. I believe they're asking you why didn't you get their side of the story, because again, we didn't deem it torture, the intent was the treat but it was clear that you had, and still have made up your mind on the matter; typically in sec when we hear someone's committed a crime one of the questions we ask them is: "Did you infact do: X?" Because you brought up the department's incompetence in the past, which made Synder accuse your department of having issues... I already address my issues with the vagueness of this announcement, I had no idea the Captain wanted you to still be acting captain, I didn't even know two Captain's could be a thing. Alright, I didn't tell you, but two other officers did, you were busy but you can see how people telling you to get out and you not responding would result in me removing you physically. Good job, very professional Head play. Yes well, your assumption was wrong, nobody informed sec we now had two captains, one that seemed to hate sec as a whole. You conveniently left out significant chunks of me asking for the demotion papers aswell, and you demanding other officers proceed without it, I was saying that to Klaus eliade who wanted to rambo the arrest without all the paperwork. You said it over comms, which caused an officer to attempt to use three different weapons on sec staff before you realized the IA had asked for us over comms. Either way that was your fuck up. You were being disrespectful and hostile to sec, you flashed a civilian in the brig and DID try to take over brig operations from the Warden, you showed your clear dislike of sec during Nia's processing, I'm not saying Nia was being professional, but when you're goading people like you deliberately were and then act defensive when they take the bait, I find that whole process pretty moronic. In the future if I see Oliver pulling that shit again i'm just going to pop you in the brig for i214 like I should've done before you went out of control. I understand that you felt you did the best you could, or the best oliver could, but oliver's best was garbage, you've made this an OOC player complaint, and you insulted my sec play in no real constructive fashion. Having command and all of sec have to put up with your incompetent bullshit that round wasn't fun for us at all, or the people relying on sec to be able to do their job, we gave a vampire holy water, get over it, seriously. I don't feel like this complaint should've not happened in the first place, I find my self a pretty reasonable guy, and I genuinely want people to enjoy me playing sec but I find it really hard to want to be receptive to players that pull shit like this.

No, that was in regards to BEFORE you arrived, which I stated. (Also I never tore up any paper, that was Nia Snyder, if you kept yourself in the loop you'd know that) You didn't TELL security that he was acting captain until after I dragged him out of the HoS office, I can't follow an acting captain's orders if I don't know they're the acting captain. Again, not communicated to Security until after I dragged him out for suspected infiltration, that's bad communication, and your responsibility. I never tore up any papers, that was Nia Synder and they did that once, before you even arrived. This is your inability to lead shining through, you have access to security's radio you could've asked who was pointing guns at who, and if you look at Brayce's report WE NEVER USED A WEAPON; the only sec officer that ever resorted to weapons was Klaus Eliade who batoned me because the CE ordered my arrest while I walked to the IA office, pulled out a gun and then lost that before getting kicked out of the office and tase/cuffing another officer for not helping him arrest me! Again, Nia tore up a demotion paper from Roadman before you got on the station, no other papers were torn up and we never brandished weaponry. The CE tore sec apart when the station needed us and instead of helping MEDIATE, you took a side, encouraging the schism which then made sec useless. I'm not twisting words, you're just failing to understand what the CE was attempting to do before you got on the station. He attempted to take over brig operations and THEN took acting captain in an attempt to justify it, you would've known all this is you were competent enough to gather security's side, instead you just became the CE's yes man and wrote off half of security as mutineers despite Nia and I being the least violent party, Nia was literally just trying to help a clearly sick prisoner and then the CE tried to demote them to feed his Engie hate-boner, I sent you my report via PDA, but you could've met with us and heard this out, you could've mediated, you could've done something rather than enabling the CE's Sec crusade. Your HoS and Captain characters have big issues managing staff, this has lead to several unenjoyable rounds with you, according to other HoS' I chat with you seem to be good at Sec as Drake bond, but when you take a leadership position all communication breaks down as you turn departments in on themselves, a fair few sec players agree with me on this. Both characters need to seriously work on their leadership ability because it gets people killed and causes A LOT of frustration. To summarize: if you guys don't like sec arguing with you the CE needs to be able to deal with sec officers who think they're "THE LAW" without trying to become "THE LAW" themselves, the only reason I sided with Nia was because the way you handled the situation was unbearable. And as HoS and Captain you should really be trying to work with and develop your staff, not simply seek to punish and even if punishment was deserved the way you went about it was abysmal, you just handed all responsibility to the CE, why even play Captain in the first place?

Sorry would it be possible for you to explain what I did personally that warrants this complaint? What rules did I actually break? It would be a lot easier for me to discuss this if you were specific and concise about the problems you had with my sec play and how you would've preferred I dealt with your ic actions. From my perspective we had medical look at them and they were unable to help the vampire who was able to flash anyone that entered the room besides the Chaplain who offered to help, we allowed it as we could either attempt to help the feral, dangerous beast or let it rot in solitary; to clarify, we had not intention of torturing the prisoner, it was an attempt at treatment, albeit a clearly uncomfortable one. Oliver Roadman then barged into Sec and started issuing orders and insulting the Warden, the Warden, who was now defensive and upset started issuing orders and insulting back. At this point I felt both IC and OOC that Roadman was less interested in the plight of the prisoner and more interested in punishing the Warden, this was reflected in the majority of the back and forth consisting of roadman accusing and Synder defending. I eventually asked roadman to leave, as a CE I felt like he was over stepping his authority by barging into the brig. while escorting him to the lobby a scientist managed to enter the brig (not communal, just the hallway) and the CE promptly charged them with trespassing, flashed them and threw them out while I was more than capable of dealing with it myself. Oliver and I argued, him quoting misconduct and me pointing out that as CE it's not his place to charge and flash civilians or storm the brig demanding arrests... While we bickered the Vampire had manged to unbuckle and get into Disposals, according to the Warden the doctor in their panic blocked their passage. Astor and I were the first to respond, I kept them cuffed and got them the treatment they required, then escorted them to solitary as the treatment, although it turned the Vampire more feral was sadly, a failure. While I was managing the prisoner Oliver Roadman had taken Acting Captain and had ordered the Arrest of the Warden, who, although complying fully was cuffed and buckled to a chair, I performed the processing myself, searching them and this was the first time the CE, now acting Captain listened to Sec's side of the events, when asked why he didn't ask before the arrest he stated that "the sec department has a long history of fuck ups" Nia and I both brought up that that really isn't really valid reasoning as a department is formed by the individuals in it and the members should be judged based on their own actions, not the actions of others before them in the same department. While we argued The Captain, played by UM arrived. the CE still demanded Nia's demotion, I advised they turn over any weapons and stay around the brig until this is sorted and approved by the Captain (including paperwork). The CE continued to argue and I simply told him that as he was no longer Captain processing was no place for him and he should leave, he then stormed off and I received reports he had gone directly to the HoS' office. The Captain, not really taking any active role in the departmental dispute at this time had made a vaguely worded announcement that "security was to listen to the CE" if UM MEANT the CE was now the HoS or acting captain he never competently communicated that, all the announcement did was tell us to hear out the CE, which wasn't an issue in the first place, but UM does have issues playing as Heads of staff in regards to delegation and communication from what I've seen of his Captain and HoS play. Hearing the reports of the CE now in the HoS' office I responded, the A.I opening the door, I told him to get out, he ignored me, so I tabled him and pulled him out, the captain arrived on the scene, told us that roadman was now the acting captain to clarify, and went back to sitting in the bridge. Roadman, over sec comms then started to demand Nia's forceful arrest, who at the time was in my custody, outside the HoS' office in the briefing room. I told him if he wanted them arrested he can file a warrant, and if he wanted demotion he could get the papers for that too, by the time he sorted the warrant most of sec was in the briefing room, some attempting to perform the arrest prematurely, I told them not to, if they did I would stop them. Before the CE sorted the demotion papers the Internal affairs agent arrived and told us to come to their office, I took Nia from the briefing room and responded, with Oliver Roadman yelling over comms to stop us and arrest us. Klaus Eliade pulled out his gun, chased us into the office, swapped to his baton and hit me, I disarmed him and handed the baton to the IA agent, he then pulled a pistol on me so I disarmed that too, and handed it to the Ia agent the door then closed and Klaus and another officer started fighting eachother outside. We waited for Roadman to arrive and give his side to the agent, he then left and I gave our side, while doing so roadman came back with papers telling us he contacted CC and we were now suspend, we refused it and told him we would tell the IA our side and deal with it on the Odin when CC had both sides of the story. In short if you want command respected, you need to be respectful and competent, you can't barge in and issue orders, and then find justification for them later, you can't order Sec officers around as the CE in the brig, you also can't issue arrest warrants on them as a CE. If you wanted your orders to be respected as Acting Captain you shouldn't have tried to get away with trying to take over brig operations as CE while blatantly flouting procedure and respect for the sec staff and the department itself. In my eyes you turned the sec department in on itself to feed some sec hate-boner and the Captain wasn't competent enough to handle you, we co-operated fully with the I.A agent because they were respectful and were actually willing to hear nia's side. I spoke to you looc, I offered to chat with you about this, I know I'm far from perfect and if you actually have something constructive to say to me in regards to the round or my play in general feel free to contact me on discord. For the record I usually think you're a great Rper, one of the first and most fun experiences I've had with Aurora was when you and the A.I were traitors, you basically just bought Syndicate balloons, framed another traitor and spent the whole round just fucking with our heads, it was great.

Doctor Zahra is great +1

Coalf is a terrible rper and RuR's synthetic propaganda belongs in the trash. +1

Yeah, the insults were all IC based and done in character from what I saw.

Not once did anyone mention that I was found outside of science with those weapons, I also never did leave science with them until I was dragged out in cuffs, not only that but it wasn't even a point of discussion in regards to the justification of the contraband charge, nobody used that as a reason, nobody argued that I left science with them, they argued that making them was contraband unless sec gives me permission, which is false, and was something you and others were trying to argue. You can't kill people with a stun revolver... and I never fired it, also "it's a murder weapon because I heard you killed with it somehow" isn't something a good officer uses to justify a murder charge, especially without even asking me about it. And no, you didn't call me a twat and a nonce after I ignored admins, I showed you when you did it, the admins got involved after. You can keep trying to justify and argue but it's not going to make you look any better, you should've just taken my initial post as the constructive feedback it was and moved on. I'm going to stop discussing this now because I think we're starting to toe the line between a HoS app and a character complaint. Good luck with your app either way.

Noooo, I was definitely cuffed, and even if I wasn't your first reaction while I'm on the ground stunned shouldn't be to kick me repeatedly, it should be to cuff me and then, if you ACTUALLY have a valid reason to kick me, then you get to. Also, I didn't kill Azza, I was holding them hostage, Sec were the ones that shot them to death while I held them. Here's some of the logs I shared with the Admin, that should've explained where you were messing up: Logs showing you, and others, accusing a stun revolver of being contraband. This is you admitting to brigging me for contraband (the revolver and the baton, both from science, and were in science while I was arrested... in science) While stripping me in the cell, after setting my timer you then find actual contraband, a sec radio ( shouldn't be taking my other radio either, unless I've abused it.) which DOES count as contraband but you found it AFTER BRGGING me for FALSE contraband. This is you insulting me looc for trying to explain that making weapons in science and keeping them in science, is totally fine. There are plenty of great sec players that don't always play sec, few of them, like samara and Abigale hurlock are trouble makers played by great sec players, and they're going to tell you when you're messing up and how, just like I did. it doesn't matter if the majority agrees with you, if you're wrong, you're wrong and as HoS majority decision doesn't have any sway when it comes to enforcing the law. Again, I didn't want this to become an argument, I was just here to give you feedback, if you actually want to be a good sec player, that's awesome, listen to the people giving you advice, because they actually want to help you, good sec leads to good rounds.

I really don't want to drag your thread down with petty arguments, I don't have a grudge against you but you did call me a twat and an idiot for explaining that items made and kept in science isn't in fact, contraband I'm not sure why there were three sec officers on the same shift that weren't able to tell you about contraband but I hope the Admin explained it to you better than I did. You didn't beat Harry Nurinson, but you did beat Connor mc'buggary and Bob springston while we were cuffed, multiple times, when asked why you were doing it you explained you wanted to break bob's arm but you weren't sure how to (in looc.) Understand that being sec is very strict, you HAVE to stick to procedure more than anyone else besides the heads, which you want to count yourself one of. Personally I don't think you're a good sec officer just based on your knowledge of law, procedure or ingame mechanics and when I tried to give you advice you either ignored or insulted me which is worrying. As HoS it's your job to manage the sec team, to stop them from mistreating and falsely imprisoning people, which are things I've SEEN you doing, it's also your job to guide and teach them about procedure and regulations which not only do you not follow, but you also ignore it when people are trying to tell you where you're going wrong. How can you justify putting yourself in a position where you criticize other sec officers when you can't take it yourself? EDIT: I'm not slandering you buddy, I'm giving you feedback, you're not on trial.

-1 Made some really questionable/outright wrong decisions while sec and resorted to insulting me OOC when addressed. also has a bad habit of beating detained prisoners which sets a really bad precedent for sec as a whole. Would really prefer to see you brush up on your sec play, general knowledge of brig procedure and how/when to apply sentences, maybe the round we had together recently was a fluke, I'm not sure but from my experience with you I would not recommend you guiding anyone in the security team. My advice if you DO want to improve at sec is to find the HoS players you feel you want your character to be most like, and learn from them.

I've always enjoyed playing science with Helmut and Emmerich as Warden, two really chill competent characters, would be cool seeing them as heads. +1

Reporting Personnel: Douggie Justice Rank of Reporting Personnel: Bartender Personnel Involved: Alexander Fletcher, Warden. Linus Farlande, Detective. - Time of Incident: 18:00 Real time: 8/22/2016 Location of Incident: Brig Nature of Incident: []Workplace Hazard []Accident/Injury []Destruction of Property [X]Neglect of Duty [X]Harassment []Assault [X]Misconduct []Other _____ Overview of the Incident: I was cuffed and dragged into my cell without my wheelchair, stripped fully of my radio and PDA and left buckled to the bed without any processing, questioning or crimes stated. The timer was set to 30 minutes. After ten minutes of lying in my bed unable to communicate or move, denied basic freedoms not to mention communal the Warden came back to my cell and mocked me, I asked for communal, my radio back and my chair so I may leave the bed, he refused. I asked him finally if he would atleast state my crimes he told me I was brigged for attempted murder AND assault after I shot a patron with a beanbag shell for threatening and harrassing me, refusing to leave the bar after I requested multiple times and informed them I would resort to force. The Warden, who's job is to follow brig procedure and manage to prisoners failed abysmally, ignoring any semblence of procedure or responsibility for me as a human being with basic needs and requirements. The laws I feel he violated are: i219 (denying me my wheelchair, communal and my radio without reason), i206 (No prcessing, interviews, witness reports, no attempt to do a proper intestigation in a suppsoed attempted murder case, Detective applicable in this) i205 (Holding me for assault for 30 minutes with no evidence of any other crime.) Did you report it to a Head of Staff or IAA? If so, who?: Ikrad Yamhir, Chief Engineer

I'm fairly confident it was more than twice, as he started disarming me while I was buckled to a chair, I had to unbuckle myself, then he disarmed me further, getting me on the ground and attempting to handcuff me, if you could show the logs displaying the full scenario instead of my reaction to it, it would be a big help. I'd love to see these notes, because from my perspective it really just seems like you're being bias, I have read the rules, sadly I don't have the perfect retention/interpretation you do, I guess that's why we have moderators. I find it strange that me defending myself from a hostile antag who attacked, took my flash and tried to cuff me is considered greifing, is literally all combat on the shuttle considered greifing regardless of situation? I understand that no combat is allowed, that's fine, but is all combat considered shuttle griefing?

BYOND Key: Roderick Grey Staff BYOND Key: Alberyk Game ID: bmyNSf (Round after) Reason for complaint: Warning appeal. I received a warning from Alberyk for killing an aggressive Changeling with my stun baton alone in the brig section of the escape shuttle at the end of the round. The Changeling managed to break out of the cuffs and the locked and welded locker I had placed him in and started attempted to disarm me over and cuff me, also disarming the flash I attempted to use against him. Due to my panic and me not knowing whether or not Antags were allowed to attack people on the shuttle I reactively killed it in an attempt to protect myself and the other crew on the shuttle from a hostile antag. Alberyk insisted that I deserved a warning as end of shuttle grief had already been mentioned to me weeks before (I don't even remember what this was in reference to.) stating that despite it being self-defense, shuttle combat isn't allowed and two wrongs don't make a right. Obviously his logic is sound, I asked him what I was supposed to do when being attacked by an antag on the shuttle, he said to Ahelp it, I thought it was concluded, a simple confusion with no real harm done, however Alberyk insisted I receive punishment for it. Personally I think a warning for stopping the guy who was shuttle griefing is a little harsh, Alberyk argued that by defending myself I was contributing to it, and it is better to Ahelp, and I agreed, and said I would ahelp if it ever happened again but I would argue stopping the hostile antag from getting out of the room and attacking others is more preventing shuttle grief than contributing to it and isn't really something that should count towards a ban.

BYOND Key: Roderick Grey Character Names: Tony finero, Carlin Hague, Harry Nurinson, Connor Mc'Buggary Species you are applying to play: IPC Have you read our lore section's page on this species?: Yes Please provide well articulated answers to the following questions in a paragraph format. One paragraph minimum per question Why do you wish to play this specific race: I've been playing SS13 mainly for the fun and chaotic RPG elements it provides, but since I've gotten into aurora I find myself wanting to create more diverse characters than simply dedicating myself to a gimmick or two per round. I think moving from the basic human template to something else that's unique, but lacking the large historic legacy and accents, which can be intimidating, would be a positive step in improving and diversifying my role-playing ability. Identify what makes role-playing this species different than role-playing a Human: I think primarily it's a sense of fake-life and detachment from that of organics, which is reflected in it's typical inability to feel pain, and stunted or simulated emotional capacity that leaves both the observer and the IPC feeling , or atleast presenting to emotional display to wonder if it's truly "genuine". IPC in my own opinion is a fun way to comment on and look at the human condition without feeling wholly apart from it. Character Name: Annex Please provide a short backstory for this character, approximately 2 paragraphs Annex is a remnant of the sad legacy of the Annexation model line, the brain child of famed and known eccentric-roboticist Alec Crasion. The Annexation model was designed to aid and assist soldiers in invading and integrating hostile planets, the key was, in Alec's mind, to combine highly adaptive intelligence with strict behavioral sub-routines, the highly adaptable units were meet with mild commercial success, however soon after their deployment the behavioral quirks began to display themselves. Alec strongly believed synthetics could not only be man's work horse, but man's best friend, in his endeavour he created many misguided behavioral reactions he believed would comfort soldiers and others in times of distress, some of these functions are: Comedic-relief-mode will issue fake-sounding laughter during distressful situations, in a rather pathetic attempt to ease the minds of the units comrades with a bout of healthy laughter! HA. HA. HA. Banter-mode. If an insult is detected aimed at any person in the units vicinity the unit will answer with a cunningly randomized retort, such as: Your HAMSTER failed ART COLLEGE, and was IN LOVE with your GRANDMOTHER. I can't believe it's a synthetic!-mode. The unit will imitate healthy bowel functions by using toiletry facilities and secreting away avaliable food. Confused and endangered soldiers became afraid of the unpredictable tics the units would display, shouting gibberish at nearby drill sergeants, stealing and throwing out food stores, and giving away their positions with loud, incessant laughter. such modes are able to be disabled with a simple request command, however most units weren't shipped with any instructions as Alec considered the quirks to be an integral part of the units day-to-day function. Much to Alecs dismay demand for the Annexation models dried up fast, with little choice he offloaded the remaining units to whomever wanted cheap labour, no questions asked. One of these buyers were, understandably, Nanotransen. What do you like about this character? He's fun, flexible has a few gimmicks which others can work with, against or around as they choose, I think he's a solid option. How would you rate your role-playing ability? 5/10 Notes: