We Should Have a Talk of the Current State of Aurora

[Jamini]

A little mention from a friend of mine over skype. Regarding attitudes towards medicine/medical.

 

[1:17:18 PM] Columbia:I need to design a new human char. I wouldn't have thought Psych was popular

[1:16:27 PM] Jamini: Why not run Anima as IAA/Psych? [Note: The only two roles I've seen this character in except like... chef]

[1:17:18 PM] Columbia: Because Aurora has actual employment requirments so I have to pick one or the other records wise.

[1:21:17 PM] Columbia: Lest I be bitched at for mary sueing and multiroleing

[1:21:55 PM] Columbia: I got yelled at because [redacted] used first aid. It's ridiculous.

[1:40:27 PM] Jamini: Did you give her any medical skill?

[1:43:25 PM] Columbia: I didn't do skills

[1:43:45 PM] Jamini: Shouldn't be hard to set it?

[1:44:46 PM] Jamini: General consensus is that medkit stuff/splints/infection control (spaceacillin) are fine, but sleepers/cryo need more training iirc

[1:44:51 PM] Jamini: Which is exactly how bay used to be.

[1:45:19 PM] Jamini: Just put one point in medical, say she's taken a one week course, and you should be fine.

[1:46:43 PM] Columbia: I have her knowing basic triage and such.

 

Be mindful, this particular player has not ever, to my knowledge, had this specific character do anything except psych and IAA. Nor is she the normal "fresh out of school super-psychologist doing all of medbay." It's another hurdle that new players need to overcome, being unknowns, is dealing with people being extremely hostile over doing anything outside of role. Even... first aid.

[Skull132]

If you got yelled at by a player, over LOOC, then adminhelp it? See rule one: Don't be a dick. Admins can't track and actively monitor everything, despite having remote LOOC. So an adminhelp to the obvious will help these issues get squared away. Further point, if the community doesn't assist in managing these issues and reporting them when they pop up, then the only thing that'll happen is that folks get disgruntled and leave.

Beyond that. The way admins check for skill-compliance:

Has skills? No:

- Character has the grasp of broad elements present in his department

- Character has knowledge required for his specific task and assignment

Has skill? Yes:

- Check for them to make sense, in relation to age and relevance

- Conduct according to common sense and broad possibilities

[Baka]

I personally will not yell at you if you're just trying to find where to fit a character in. Sometimes you gotta play around in the fields a bit before finding a good place to put a character.

I will yell at you if you're playing a 24 year old medical doctor/engineer/scientist with the skill level of genius. Because that's unrealistic.

[Jamini]

Again, this isn't necessarily an attack on the server. Just me bringing up something another player new to aurora, but not to SS13 HRP in general, mentioned. I know something similar happened over OOC between myself, you, and a third player the other day regarding my engineer knowing first aid/uncertainty on local rules regarding cryogentics. It can be a very quick turnoff to get shouted at on a public or semi-public channel for trying to simply be helpful. Especially for someone who is, as that particular player was, genuinely just trying to help/keep people in the round.

 

I will yell at you if you're playing a 24 year old medical doctor/engineer/scientist with the skill level of genius. Because that's unrealistic.

 

I would expect you to yell at said person.

Edit:

[2:34:46 PM] Jamini: Was it a player or an admin that bitched you out?

[2:41:10 PM] Columbia: Admin? Mentor? I got a PM

[Guest]

I'm bringing this thread back into light. Just by looking at the forums and some of the things that have been mentioned shows me that it's needed.

Stop being rude to people in OOC if you don't know them or they mess up, don't joke about banning people or shout for them to be banned in OOC.

It's unwelcoming it's unfriendly and turns the people who do it into thinking that they are allowed to do it without anything being done to them.

It's not the player's who just joined fault, it's not that they don't try to RP or just (in the words of others) fuck around, it's the players who think it's their 'right' or 'duty' to be that way who are the problem.

[Guest]

I have no issue with people joking around from time to time, but you need to do it in a fashion so that people KNOW you're joking. And you also need to know when you're crossing the line to where you're being grossly obnoxious and toxic.

[Conservatron]

I make a point to only make fun of players I have a repertoire with in OOC. But Engineering as a whole has seemed much more newbie friendly this past month so forward progress I'd say. I never play other departments so I can't really speak for how things are going there.

[Blue]

I make a point to only make fun of players I have a repertoire with in OOC. But Engineering as a whole has seemed much more newbie friendly this past month so forward progress I'd say. I never play other departments so I can't really speak for how things are going there.

 

Yeah, engineering tends to be the friendliest department. Kinda like family.

[Jamini]

I make a point to only make fun of players I have a repertoire with in OOC. But Engineering as a whole has seemed much more newbie friendly this past month so forward progress I'd say. I never play other departments so I can't really speak for how things are going there.

 

*cough*

I make it my personal mission to be friendly to randoms and new players wherever I go. Hearing this makes me very happy.

[Guest]

I would argue that in OOCly low-risk positions (in that, if you fuck up or make a mistake, rarely people will notice), it's a lot easier to be friendly and more understanding of personnel within that department.

When it comes to security, not only do you have to deal with problem personnel in other departments that intentionally break the rules, but you often have in-fighting and internal department conflict and compromising.

It's very difficult to be friendly and nice when your job consists of keeping everything "just so" and fearing every breath that one security officer with a predilection for swinging the baton rather than using it as a conflict suppressant, will take.

It's honestly very difficult to take responsibility for problematic personnel in your own department when you KNOW they will fuck up because they are who they are.

Yes, I know. DOs weed out and put a cork on hostile personalities. But it doesn't change the fact that there will be really bad security officers, no matter how much you build up the potentially good ones.

[JamesCampbell]

I just brought up this problem the other day on OOC.

I've often found myself feeling like an outsider, even as one of the longer playing members of Aurora. When I see the same people consistently getting invited into different offices and offered these technically non-existent jobs, round after round, it feels like there's some elite club that the rest of us aren't invited to. Surely if you want a job badly enough, you can get it white-listed like everyone else. I was told to simply walk over to the HoP and get it sorted myself, maybe ask if I can get an interesting job.

I (Paul Redeker) walked to the HoP office, granted there was some cult shenanigans on board, none my own, but after a lengthy consult with the very helpful HoP at the time, may have been Ellis Crowley, I was told to speak to the HoS, Silaris Uaekis, as soon as possible. I enquired about whether there was a possibility of either taking command of HoS, as interim command, or assisting the HoS in his matters, shadowing him and getting used to the role, in the event I was whitelisted. I was told by the HoP that I wasn't allowed be promoted from Assistant, to Security Officer, and certainly nothing relating to a command option, because after he suggested I take over, he simply said no, after a long series of questions, all asked to the HoP, not myself.

He said his reasons were "I don't know him".

That to me screams absolute elitism. I'm not sour about not being given a shiny new suit and a group of Sec Officers, I was angry with how the situation unfolded, and how poorly it was handled. Not only after I waited outside was I never actual seen, but when I tried to get into contact with any other Sec member, they all walked off. I feel the Assistant garb throws people off.

I have in fact worked with Silaris Uaekis several times, often helping a closure of a case, or a resolving of a crime, as detective or CSI, Sec Officer or whatever. I feel that a lot of the heads associate with each other too much, and it doesn't make much sense IC.

To make a long story short, I asked for what I saw being offered to "regular" people, and was treated like a bold child, made to sit there, and people answering questions for me. I know people are busy, but as a person experienced in Security, I felt that everything was a shambles that round.

Feel free to give feedback or explain anything I may have misunderstood, because I love this server, and I just want to make sure we all know what's going on to the "regular regulars" rather than just the elite singles group.

[Tainavaa]

I think that was a fair thing to do, James.

People don't promote others they don't know without proper documentation and experience in their employment records that allude that maybe this person might be a good head of security. As a head of personnel I myself very rarely promote others to a command position. I generally give them a "Senior" position that tells the department that they are a subject matter expert and also have the access of their respective head positions without the command access. Even players I know. It all depends on the character.

I understand that they wouldn't want to promote some random person without proper qualifications or experience. Just like in real life.

If you want a higher position without proper qualification then make your character renowned. Otherwise give them some realistic records that match the job you're trying to get. We actually have an employment records template that one of the admins made somewhere on the forums. Can't quite get it for you now but it does exist.

[Jamini]

Sierrra made a generator for records.

http://sierrabrown.me/aurorarecords/index.php?list

It is a wonderful resource.