Staff Complaint-Cnaym/Prate

[Bygonehero]

BYOND Key: BygoneHero

Staff BYOND Key: Cnaym/Prate

Game ID:N/A

Reason for complaint: An early appeal/change of punishment/ keeping my lore dev position

Evidence/logs/etc:

 

Additional remarks:

I've learned alot from this issue, more than I have from any other. The situation with Contextual really showed me how I was effecting community, and it prompted honest discussions with other staff about it. I am not a perfect person, but I care about the community to make it better. I hope I am getting better and I am aware of my problems. I just want the chance to continue working with the staff that I have come to count among my friends, and the community I have come to love. Were it required, I would take any time suggested to distance myself, but ultimately that decision is for the administration. I can only say that I am trying to do better. I can only say that I my goal is to stay on the lore team, to stay apart of the community that has its creative and talented people everywhere within it.  I can only ask for the opportunity to continue with the community.

Edited September 10, 2019 by Bygonehero

[Garnascus]

If you are not contesting the decision made by cnaym and prate i am not sure what we can do here. This seems like an appeal. 

[Bygonehero]

I am contesting the decision, but I am not sure exactly how beyond that I believe it is too severe, and that I would like to keep my role in the community. What form this takes I have no idea, I did wrong, but I'm sure how to approach it beyond that.

 

Before I made this complaint I spoke to Cnaym about it, and it was suggested to ask for an early appeal but make it a complaint? I am not 100% certain on this, but regardless, whatever is felt proper, I will do. 

Edited September 10, 2019 by Bygonehero

[Bygonehero]

I also disagree with the some of the findings of that report, as it wasn't OOCly motivated. 

 For this particular circumstance, since my last few notes with the toxicity issue, none of my other characters remotely act that way. Only particular AI's who generally try to run a tight ship in a very controlling manner. Further, in this particular case, I was playing a new AI that pressured its robots to be productive, likening both myself and the robots as simply tools, that also revered the crew as literal gods, because of miscommunication, all of this happened and escalated, which is my fault, but my intent was never to ruin another players round. 

Given the ahelp situation, I did not mean shitborg as more than the same way people describe shitsec, shitcurity, shitag, and I did not in any way voice this to the players, only the admins. If this colored my intentions to reflect one of a personal nature, I certainly didn't mean it that way. The escalation in the round to me, made sense, but looking back at the larger issue, I can see why it didn't from their point of view, and can only apologize for it and tell you that, from discussions surrounding it, I am doing better with both staff and the community at large because of it. 

Edited September 10, 2019 by Bygonehero

[Garnascus]

Alright, i can work with that. 

As i understand it the particularly egregious nature of the complaint coupled with your long history of notes is what lead to the ban. You have a total of 81 notes and 12 warnings stretching back into 2016. While it is true that the older notes are the less relevant they are in deciding action against a player they are relevant when determining patterns of consistent behavior. I have some findings after reviewing your notes

1. In 2016 alone you have four separate notes related to being very rude in OOC or LOOC. You also have a temp ban for metagrudging

2. In 2017 you have a temp ban for a week for raging in OOC, a temp job ban from cyborgs for poor play, Two notes and one warning on, again, raging in LOOC and OOC. 

3 In 2018 We have one or two notes on raging and some other notes related to playing with other players and not against them during stressful rounds. 

4. In 2019 We have one note on storing as the AI after some passive aggressive comments in LOOC. We have a note on tasing someone as sec because you did not get healed first. We have yet another warning for raging in LOOC. What is left is in regards to the complaint you opened on contextual and your behavior exhibited in round toward pennant.

"rage" "salt" "aggressive" 

Spending just a few minutes reading through your notes was enough to see the very clear and very consistent pattern of problematic behavior you have exhibited. It seems very reasonable to me that you have a consistent pattern in the behavior you exhibit here at aurora. What i do not want to imply is that your behavior from four years ago is an albatross around your neck. I am very sorry bygone. I do not mean to bully you or otherwise demean you by relaying this information. The fact that you went so long without getting permabanned is quite frankly all the proof i require of some divine intelligence at work here. This is truly not something i enjoy telling another human being but the idea that a permaban for your actions up until now is "too severe" is frankly untenable. 

This brings us to the complaint you created against contextual and the specific criticisms you have of cnaym/prate's judgement. It seems to me you have the following objections to make. 

1. Your behavior was not OOCly motivated

2. This behavior is exclusive to a particular kind of character you play

3. You did not mean to insult the player with your shitborg comment as we do with shitcurity comments.

So, given the sum of your behavior, your notes, your warnings and your bans i feel that it provides important context your actions here. You clearly very clearly aggressive micromanaged pennant. You called them a "shitborg" in ahelps. It seems very clear to me you viewed the situation as pennant playing WRONG and you playing RIGHT. You where openly hostile to them IC when in fact they had never actually complained about you. It seems to line up perfectly with your general attitude and how you tend to treat other players when you are upset or you think they are not playing how they should. I would have to ask @Cnaym for clarification but i reckon this about what he meant when he made that comment.

I understand how you feel. It is not enjoyable for any of us to tell a player they are not welcome in our community. I must unfortunately agree with the judgement given by both cnaym and prate. 

[Bygonehero]

21 minutes ago, Garnascus said:

Alright, i can work with that. 

As i understand it the particularly egregious nature of the complaint coupled with your long history of notes is what lead to the ban. You have a total of 81 notes and 12 warnings stretching back into 2016. While it is true that the older notes are the less relevant they are in deciding action against a player they are relevant when determining patterns of consistent behavior. I have some findings after reviewing your notes

1. In 2016 alone you have four separate notes related to being very rude in OOC or LOOC. You also have a temp ban for metagrudging

2. In 2017 you have a temp ban for a week for raging in OOC, a temp job ban from cyborgs for poor play, Two notes and one warning on, again, raging in LOOC and OOC. 

3 In 2018 We have one or two notes on raging and some other notes related to playing with other players and not against them during stressful rounds. 

4. In 2019 We have one note on storing as the AI after some passive aggressive comments in LOOC. We have a note on tasing someone as sec because you did not get healed first. We have yet another warning for raging in LOOC. What is left is in regards to the complaint you opened on contextual and your behavior exhibited in round toward pennant.

"rage" "salt" "aggressive" 

Spending just a few minutes reading through your notes was enough to see the very clear and very consistent pattern of problematic behavior you have exhibited. It seems very reasonable to me that you have a consistent pattern in the behavior you exhibit here at aurora. What i do not want to imply is that your behavior from four years ago is an albatross around your neck. I am very sorry bygone. I do not mean to bully you or otherwise demean you by relaying this information. The fact that you went so long without getting permabanned is quite frankly all the proof i require of some divine intelligence at work here. This is truly not something i enjoy telling another human being but the idea that a permaban for your actions up until now is "too severe" is frankly untenable. 

This brings us to the complaint you created against contextual and the specific criticisms you have of cnaym/prate's judgement. It seems to me you have the following objections to make. 

1. Your behavior was not OOCly motivated

2. This behavior is exclusive to a particular kind of character you play

3. You did not mean to insult the player with your shitborg comment as we do with shitcurity comments.

So, given the sum of your behavior, your notes, your warnings and your bans i feel that it provides important context your actions here. You clearly very clearly aggressive micromanaged pennant. You called them a "shitborg" in ahelps. It seems very clear to me you viewed the situation as pennant playing WRONG and you playing RIGHT. You where openly hostile to them IC when in fact they had never actually complained about you. It seems to line up perfectly with your general attitude and how you tend to treat other players when you are upset or you think they are not playing how they should. I would have to ask @Cnaym for clarification but i reckon this about what he meant when he made that comment.

I understand how you feel. It is not enjoyable for any of us to tell a player they are not welcome in our community. I must unfortunately agree with the judgement given by both cnaym and prate. 

These are all good points, but I can only say that, I am doing better since. I was never spoken about my AI play in that such a controlling playstyle was bad. I didn't want to ruin the players round, but yes, you are right in that I thought I knew how they were suppose to play. Since then, and from my most recent interactions with staff and players, I realize that this isn't the case. I am trying to be better, and I really just want the chance to prove that. It would hurt me to leave the community, not because its something I spend my time on, but because everyone in it is such a large part of what I personally like to do, I love discussing and writing lore, and experiencing the things that players make.

[Garnascus]

I believe you

This is not necessarily a permanent goodbye. The stipulation set by cnaym is around 4 weeks. Which is pretty much what i would expect in a case like yours before considering an appeal. It is unfortunate this will undoubtedly come at the cost of your lore writer position. You might possibly be able to re-apply as a lore writer IF you successfully appeal your ban. I am afraid that is the best you can hope for in this case. 

[Garnascus]

I will be locking and archiving this in 24 hours.