Staff Complaint - ShesTrying

[There b pirates]

BYOND Key: ForAFriend

Staff BYOND Key: ShesTrying

Game ID:  b42-aLUJ

Reason for complaint:Gate-keeping what a "sane person" would do, and ignoring the purpose of an ahelp.

Evidence/logs/etc: - - see logs around 4:50 station time - -

Additional remarks:  Railroaded my Ahelp to complain to me about how bad my RP was and to tell me what they thought a sane person would do, and then proceeded to not reasonably conclude what I originally Ahelped for, instead opting to close the ticket without further help. 

In this case, ShesTrying railroaded the ahelp to say that destroying a beepsky robot was not a sane thing to do. I told them that, in this case, it was, since beepsky had me in a stun lock for the first 10 minutes of the round (cnaym witnessed this), I said it was plausible to want revenge, especially on a dumb robot.

 

Edited January 3, 2020 by There b pirates

[Garnascus]

Can you explain exactly what you where doing and exactly what shestrying said was not what a sane person would do? You have very little information here. 

[There b pirates]

43 minutes ago, Garnascus said:

Can you explain exactly what you where doing and exactly what shestrying said was not what a sane person would do? You have very little information here. 

added more info to the OP

[Garnascus]

2 hours ago, There b pirates said:

I told them that, in this case, it was, since beepsky had me in a stun lock for the first 10 minutes of the round (cnaym witnessed this), I said it was plausible to want revenge, especially on a dumb robot

Thats... a little strange. I mean would you want to get revenge on a security guard who brigs you for ten minutes? No that would be silly. 

[Cnaym]

You were the guy that got chased by beepsky for the first ten minutes and then cornered by it in an elevator and ahelped. I am not sure how much RP the robot put in, but the escalation was there.

I didn't see or handle the later ticket, but I can confirm that beepsky didn't like your character.

[ShesTrying]

Hi there!

After addressing the original purpose of your ahelp, and determining the charges were not so egregious they were against the rules, I let you know that, citing that you could make an IR if you disagreed with them, and charging you for what you were charged with was not breaking ooc rules.

 

However, I wanted to know why you thought a sane character, who wants to keep his job, would hunt down a dumb sec robot and start smashing it to pieces with a stolen-away stunbaton from research.

 

This isn’t really normal behaviour for an employee, and you have exhibited LRP behaviours before. Seeking revenge on a thoughtless machine makes no sense. Imagine if you worked at a coffee shop,  and the coffee machine sprayed you with hot water. It burns, sure, but you aren’t going to return with a baseball bat and beat the crap out of it, because you want to keep your job, and destroying company equipment does not make sense if you want to remain in your position.

 

All-in-all, I made a note of your behaviour on your account. That’s it. I let you know this so you would clean up the way you act and you could take preventative measures before getting any warnings or bans from continued behaviour.

 

I am not sure what you mean by ‘railroading’ a ticket. Tickets, while opened for one purpose, don’t excuse you from any other actions you have done during the round.

 

[There b pirates]

11 hours ago, Garnascus said:

Thats... a little strange. I mean would you want to get revenge on a security guard who brigs you for ten minutes? No that would be silly. 

the bot didn't brig me for 10 minutes, it had me in the elevator, and it kept stunning me so I couldn't escape. My character suffered brain damage because of how long beepsky kept stunning me.

Edited January 3, 2020 by There b pirates

[There b pirates]

7 hours ago, ShesTrying said:

Imagine if you worked at a coffee shop,  and the coffee machine sprayed you with hot water.

Beepsky is a little more proactive, dangerous, and mobile than your average coffee machine.

Edited January 3, 2020 by There b pirates

[Garnascus]

I may or may have not forgotten about this, sorry. Anyway if we consider that we are all working aboard a space station for a megacorp then breaking company property of being detained for 10 minutes is more than a little silly. Beepsky getting smashed for that happens on lower RP servers. 

[There b pirates]

11 hours ago, Garnascus said:

I may or may have not forgotten about this, sorry. Anyway if we consider that we are all working aboard a space station for a megacorp then breaking company property of being detained for 10 minutes is more than a little silly. Beepsky getting smashed for that happens on lower RP servers. 

Ah yes,

I hate the number of LRP people on this planet. I Wish Earth had  HRP servers.

It's almost as if people do actually have anger issues in real life, and they really act on them.

That's not the point though, is it? The point is that ShesTrying, instead of trying to help me on my ahelp, decided to tell me how bad my RP was based on about 10 seconds of interaction and reading.  

[Garnascus]

47 minutes ago, There b pirates said:

That's not the point though, is it? The point is that ShesTrying, instead of trying to help me on my ahelp, decided to tell me how bad my RP was based on about 10 seconds of interaction and reading.

Well, as i understand it from what you have told me here you explained your reasoning for doing it and @ShesTrying still disagreed and said it was not ok. She does have the authority to make that decision. Anger issues being used to justify going back and destroying beepsky is not really appropriate i feel. 

[There b pirates]

Alright, You seem to want to argue about the IC actions rather than how the ticket itself was handled, I can play that. We can talk about OOC issues later in this thread.

The big disparity we seem to be having is what we think normal behavior is.  An the disparity seems to come from the fact that I think that acting like the people on public freakout is valid RP, but you seem to want to justify that it is not. You will not tell me why. You have not given a reason. This spans across multiple tickets, and while the rules deep it perfectly valid, it seems that there is an inherent bias to the contrary. why?

Edited January 28, 2020 by There b pirates

[Garnascus]

On 27/01/2020 at 20:45, There b pirates said:

The big disparity we seem to be having is what we think normal behavior is.  An the disparity seems to come from the fact that I think that acting like the people on public freakout is valid RP, but you seem to want to justify that it is not. You will not tell me why. You have not given a reason. This spans across multiple tickets, and while the rules deep it perfectly valid, it seems that there is an inherent bias to the contrary. why?

We have a certain standard for what we consider to be believable characters here. Going back and destroying company property over this is simply not believable in a corporate setting. I am saying that this specific behavior does not meet the standards implied by our rules. I do not think it creates a healthy RP setting. I could of course understand destroying it in self-defense in the moment or if you where an antag you can easily justify destroying it. 

[There b pirates]

15 hours ago, Garnascus said:

... healthy RP setting ...  if you where an antag you can easily justify destroying it. 

now call me dense, but does a red PDA really justify anything? or does it make it easier for the staff to let you off the hook?

[Garnascus]

2 hours ago, There b pirates said:

now call me dense, but does a red PDA really justify anything? or does it make it easier for the staff to let you off the hook?

Well when you're an antag you're allowed to begin with the motivation to fuck someone or something's day up for... almost any reason you want for your character. This is almost always going to pit you against security so circumstance depending you can justify some pre-emptive strikes. Destroying beepsky is an easy one. So for example if your goal is to rob the vault you could first take out beepsky because it could arrest you later.

[There b pirates]

Garn, I have nothing more to say for this case.

I've laid it out in front of you as it happened.

I'm not sure that you are convinced, but I am sure that I've seen quite a few others that are....

[Garnascus]

Ok, archiving.