Ron Posted June 9, 2020 Posted June 9, 2020 BYOND Key: Printer16 Staff BYOND Key: Tbear13 Game ID: b7z-cRuo Reason for complaint: Disagree with Judgement Evidence/logs/etc: It was a vampire round. I was a vampire who was wanted for biting someone and breaching a wall in the SAT room. Fast forward about 20 minutes after hiding, I make my way into the medical bay, in a frenzied state, and grapple a chemist to drain their blood. Security, bar the HoS, arrives and yells at me to back off. I stop draining the chemists blood and move back. Klaus Eliade, the HoS, walks in with lethals, doesn't say a single word, and mag-dumps me with lethals while I stand still, minus me hitting a wall I'm next to once, and while I'm good distance away from him. The events after that are irrelevant to my complaint. I made an ahelp regarding the HoS' questionable use of force and Tbear takes the ahelp and concludes that due to previous IC events he was justified in shooting me without saying a single word or trying to get me to surrender, all the while I was unarmed and standing still while security was actively talking to me. He advised me to make a staff complaint if I disagreed and I told him I would be doing so. Keep in mind prior to both of these events I had only assaulted someone and broke into the SAT for a brief moment. Security had no reason to believe I was armed, nor did they have any encounter with me whatsoever prior to the following. Point where security came in on me draining her blood and told me to stop -- which I did. https://imgur.com/a/tsJtjzk Point where the HoS wordlessly comes in and just mag-dumps me while I'm standing still (Note that at the bottom where I say "uh" is where I'm in complete shock that he just did that) https://imgur.com/a/KxWER9o I don't find it acceptable, even due to prior IC interaction with a DIFFERENT antagonist entirely, to just mag-dump someone who is unarmed and standing still and has not killed anyone which is why I made this complaint. Additional remarks: None.
ShesTrying Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 @MattAtlas and I will be taking this. @tbear13 say your piece please.
tbear13 Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 Hi, I'm the one who made the decision I decided the shooting was justified because they had just seen you tearing down metal walls, and biting down on someone's neck. Previously in the round the HoS had seen multiple people killed by a hulked vampire. I found that, due to him seeing hulks killing people previously, he had enough reason to believe you couldn't be negotiated with, and presented a major threat to the crew. I had a pretty bad migraine at the time, so my memory of the incident isn't the best. Correct me if I'm wrong on anything.
Ron Posted June 13, 2020 Author Posted June 13, 2020 I'd understand your point if I wasn't reacting to security talking to me, but I was.
MattAtlas Posted June 25, 2020 Posted June 25, 2020 So a bunch of procrastination got in the way and I finally decided to unlazy and called upon my fellow ally yesterday to solve this. It seems that you were really a victim of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, which happens often in this game. At the point security came over to you, it was already known to the HoS about what a vampire was and could do. Considering that, and previous escalation in the round, it isn't exactly outrageous or out of place for them to shoot you like that. On 13/06/2020 at 13:58, tbear13 said: [...] he had enough reason to believe you couldn't be negotiated with, and presented a major threat to the crew. This holds true, as seen in the tickets and the round logs. Also, consider that you were not actually actively talking to security, they had only told you to stop, which can be used as a pretext to really do anything from their side, considering the round situation. I will close this in 24 hours.
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