VeteranGary Posted July 12, 2020 Posted July 12, 2020 BYOND Key: Veterangary Staff BYOND Key: ShesTrying Game ID: No, I didn't save the round ID. I do have a date and time, listed on the warning. https://i.gyazo.com/699b79b5ae4d5bcb9ac8d3515c521754.png Reason for complaint: This isn't to seek punishment against the admin in question, I simply believe the verdict is unfair and unregulated as I constantly see it being infringed. Icecabbage is the moderator who applied the warning, however they are no longer staff, and the reason this warning is applied was backed by ShesTrying, whom may have been over viewing the ticket, though I am not sure. Evidence/logs/etc: I don't have much evidence expect my word against theirs. However I will explain in the events leading to this warning. I recently recieved whitelist for Tajara, and I was fleshing out what was reasonable for the character and I will admit, I went out of their logical knowledge to reap some benefits, ShesTrying pulled me into a ticket after I was doing research and RnD, maxing out the levels. I understood this and complied with their verbal warning, no note applied, as I understood completing research as a roboticist, was very out of character, and explained my distate for players who took the scientist role and did not complete basic levels of research, which the roboticist role can be dependent on. I stopped touching the destructive analyzer entirely, and left the levels as is, however I did enter RnD to use the Protolathe, with its default levels of 3 in each different category. At these levels, I see it provides no advantage or blatant powergame for the roboticist role, you can print mid-tier upgrades for your machines which improve efficiency, parts for simplebots such as plant analyzers, and tools such as the basic drill for EVA suits. All of these don't really apply advantage in my opinion, they are simply convenience for certain roles. The main thing from this is that her verdict wasn't entire clear, they told me to stop doing research to the servers, which unlocks very powerful items, and in this case with Icedcabbage I wasn't completing research, I was printing parts for the fabricators and parts for simplebots to complete simplebot requests for other department and bounties, and save the limited material the robotics lab starts with. I explained to them that I wasn't using the destructive analyzer to improve the server levels, and I was using the start-of-shift levels instead, asked if I could speak to ShesTrying, however this lead to bantering, with the warning applied and the ticket closed with a sour ending. I didn't like this and I wasn't very happy about it so I decided to wait before posting an appeal for it. The main issue I have with this verdict is I don't see it continually being enforced. I have seen many characters who pose to have multiple fields of research, and I have seen some do both research to the servers, and robotics, or simply using the Protolathe as I was. And I see how it can make sense, the protolathe is a machine similar to the robotics fabricators, /and/ the robotics setup is coded in a way where it can be upgraded to support a protolathe and its fabricators. Logically, it seems robotics roles are set up like this, so it can be easy for someone to be carried away and see that the protolathe is fair game to use, however in ShesTryings and Icedcabbage's verdict, is not and falls under powergame. Additional remarks: I am not completely in the right with this warning; usually I had filled out an Additional Access form and brought it to command staff, to acquire access to RnD. Additionally, on the occasion that I make my character hack doors, I do not go and find the wire myself, I ask engineering. If they do not give it to me, I drop it and wait for command staff to authorize me, or ask the AI to remove ID scan. In this scenario, I did neither, there were present command staff and I am not sure about the AI; however I had the resources to gain access logically, which many roboticist do to use the Protolathe in the RnD lab. The reason I seek this appeal to the verdict is because I entirely see it as a misunderstanding and miscommunication, as ShesTrying's verdict differed from Icedcabbage's verdict, and I was denied the ability to clarify with ShesTrying in another ticket.
ShesTrying Posted July 12, 2020 Posted July 12, 2020 I'm not really sure what to say here other than don't touch rnd stuff when you are playing roboticist. It's just not allowed. We've recently stripped rnd access from roboticists, and if you are getting additional access to bypass this, you will be bwoinked for it. If you see other people breaking the rules, that doesn't mean you can too. It means you need to let staff know so we can put a stop to it. Staff don't make a habit of watching the rnd lab, and we can only bwoink about stuff like that if we see it happening, but still. Going back in to the rnd lab after being bwoinked about it is a bad move. You shouldn't have done that, and because you did, you got a warning. I'm not sure what you're confused about.
VeteranGary Posted July 12, 2020 Author Posted July 12, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, ShesTrying said: I'm not really sure what to say here other than don't touch rnd stuff when you are playing roboticist. It's just not allowed. We've recently stripped rnd access from roboticists, and if you are getting additional access to bypass this, you will be bwoinked for it. If you see other people breaking the rules, that doesn't mean you can too. It means you need to let staff know so we can put a stop to it. Staff don't make a habit of watching the rnd lab, and we can only bwoink about stuff like that if we see it happening, but still. Going back in to the rnd lab after being bwoinked about it is a bad move. You shouldn't have done that, and because you did, you got a warning. I'm not sure what you're confused about. From what I have got from the complaint, you were noting my use of the destructive analyzer and adding research to the server, but you did not elaborate that the entire RnD lab was off limits, and in this initial incident I got access through command staff. That is what made this very confusing to me. Icedcabbage entered a ticket with a very different perspective of the situation; one that I was not briefed or clarified with. With the round you bwoinked me, you specifically explained that the research alone was powergaming and I showed that I understood, and explained my reason for doing it, which was inspired by impatience. However, the protolathe was never stated as the issue, standard roboticists still have access to it. It is only the destructive analyzer they are denied from. I pointed this out, and you acknowledged it, however you did not add on that it was the reason of that warning, this is the origins of the misunderstanding. A few days later, Icedcabbage brings me into a ticket with a very different perspective on the issue; I was not warned to not use the protolathe, I was warned not to add to the research levels. Icedcabbage's perspective seem to be that I was warned to not even touch the RnD lab at all, which is very different from the initial situation, and makes it look like blatant spite of your initial warning. Edited July 12, 2020 by VeteranGary
ShesTrying Posted July 12, 2020 Posted July 12, 2020 Right, so, I see where you're coming from. I didn't issue the warning, I don't even remember seeing Cabbage issue it. I would be fine with removing the warning, leaving the note, and just letting you know that, until a new ruling is made, you aren't allowed to touch the rnd lab as a roboticist. Fair?
VeteranGary Posted July 13, 2020 Author Posted July 13, 2020 2 hours ago, ShesTrying said: Right, so, I see where you're coming from. I didn't issue the warning, I don't even remember seeing Cabbage issue it. I would be fine with removing the warning, leaving the note, and just letting you know that, until a new ruling is made, you aren't allowed to touch the rnd lab as a roboticist. Fair? Fair enough. I've complied with the verdict since the warning, as I planned to appeal it. I have only entered the lab to divide materials, pick up items queued by qualified scientists, or recycle tools in the autolathe.
ShesTrying Posted July 13, 2020 Posted July 13, 2020 I'll leave it up to whoever takes this complaint to decide if this is resolved.
Alberyk Posted July 25, 2020 Posted July 25, 2020 Alright, since you and the admin in question reached an agreement, I believe this is solved.
ShesTrying Posted July 25, 2020 Posted July 25, 2020 I'll take care of the warning tonight if Alb doesn't get to it first.
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