Complaint about Wittly

[callum99877]

BYOND Key: Callum99877

Staff BYOND Key: Wittly

Reason for complaint:

Firstly id just like to say its nice to know that staff care about players applications, see, im trying to do my best IC and i want the chance to play as a head, so i try applying for it, it says you may post in ooc once a round (i dont every round) and the moment i do i hear a /staff/ member saying "do you think he knows nobody cares about his application, oh wait i bet hes here isnt he" in teamspeak, He knew i was there and not even an apology. Its lovely to know my application can be dismissed so easily and now id love someone to tell me, whats the point in even trying? ive spent 7 months enjoying this server and there is always one that has to ruin it, because he knows and is friends with everyone he can say and do what he likes? I mean right now i want to rejoin that ts and get mad at him (apart from id get banned so i wont) but to be fair, as much as ive enjoyed the server for 7 months, ive been put off even playing on this server, knowing that however hard i try i wont achieve a head because admins think "i dont know them, denied" so motivating...

Evidence/logs/etc: Everyone in the Teamspeak at around 10.30 uk time heard it, Id also like to add that i guarantee they all deny it as im just some guy on the server and he is a trusted staff member, im told baka had a muted mic and skull was afk and therefore didnt hear it.

Additional remarks: I am just about done even trying here.

[TishinaStalker]

Uh, hi, one of the admins that does head of staff approvals/rejections here. Don't think that way about an application. JUSt because one person tells me something like that, I'm not going to listen to them unless they post it on the application where the applicant can defend against the claim. Dismiss the comment from him unless they actually post it. I dismissed it when I heard it, but was paying more attention to League of Legends at the time. Don't let that get you down about your application. THat being said, I'll leave the rest of the complaint to the staff member that handles this one.

[callum99877]

perhaps i overreacted, but if a staff member says that whats to stop the staff that do the applications thinking exactly the same?

[TishinaStalker]

The fact that I'm not an asshole. I give everybody a fair chance, and I discard all biases to the wind before considering applications with Dea. I strive to give everybody that fair chance, and if I heeded Wit's comment on the TeamSpeak, then I wouldn't be able to give everybody that chance.

[Erik Tiber]

...I haven't gone on teamspeak yet, but ah, is it seriously normal for people to make comments like that about people? Because to me, that just sounds rather, well, rude. And petty.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

...I haven't gone on teamspeak yet, but ah, is it seriously normal for people to make comments like that about people? Because to me, that just sounds rather, well, rude. And petty.

 

I don't join it but I hear from people who are a part of it. From hearsay, this is extremely common.

[Guest]

People like to forget that the server rules also apply on the Teamspeak.

[callum99877]

senpei this shouldnt be common, if it was a new player would they want to stick aroun? its very demoivating and should not be said...

[Witt]

Hello.

Firstly, I wont deny it.

Second, I thank you for actually calling me on this, I know I have a tendency to be an ass sometimes, its hard to judge if I am upsetting people if they don't speak up.

Thirdly, and this is my only issue with this; The fact that I am a staff member, has nothing to do with this complaint, it has to deal with me being an asshole. so in that light, I would request that this thread be shipped to the proper (general complaints) section.

Fourth, I am sorry, for what little its probably worth.

[Guest]

As the main admin on TeamSpeak, I can tell you that no, it is not normally like that. When comments like that are made they are usually left as a joke or ignored or the person gets to hear myself telling them how that is rude and not to do it again.

People mistake TeamSpeak for OOC and AdminPM and we have a few people on there to tell people that it's not the right place but sometimes people will slip.

[Skull132]

Side-tangent, I advise you to look at very carefully what you take as truth about the Teamspeak. If you actually want to know what goes on, then please, the link is here, join and poke around.

On target: I'll provide proper review once my head is in a better place, tomorrow. But.

 

Thirdly, and this is my only issue with this; The fact that I am a staff member, has nothing to do with this complaint, it has to deal with me being an asshole. so in that light, I would request that this thread be shipped to the proper (general complaints) section.

 

Conduct of a staff member is actually a very valid reason, provided that the conduct in question is perceivable through a medium associated with the game and the server. Simplification: if it concerns the Aurora, and you're a staff member, your conduct is up for public debate and evaluation. What you do on facebook, though, I couldn't care less about. This happens to be a very clear case of the former. So, the complaint is valid and stands.

[Erik Tiber]

As the main admin on TeamSpeak, I can tell you that no, it is not normally like that. When comments like that are made they are usually left as a joke or ignored or the person gets to hear myself telling them how that is rude and not to do it again.

People mistake TeamSpeak for OOC and AdminPM and we have a few people on there to tell people that it's not the right place but sometimes people will slip.

Well, I talked to some others about it, and apparently it's not uncommon for admins and staff members in particular to say rather vile things about players behind their backs.

I think I'll go and check it out.

[Guest]

By the way it was made out to be, sounded like it was like that all the time when I just said it's not.

When I have said things I have been called out by other admins/staff just like I call them out.

I myself have been a victim of people talking (even up to the point of gloating) behind my back about things that have happened to me or I have done. This has happened both on the server in Looc and on TS, I don't hesitate for a second that it's not been done in Skype, Steam, Forums, or even to random people I have never met.

There was a time on the TS once where a few select members (not staff) were talking about people and what they were doing on the server and why it was "wrong" or "bad". Everyone was told off by myself about how they were acting, it ended up in the TS being quiet for a while. Since then there have been very few cases of it happening. But we do try to catch and will talk to people when they do something like that.

We are all human, and humans slip up from time to time.

[VoltageHero]

I dropped in TS a few times, but stopped just out of laziness.

As stated, there ARE times where players are talked bad about over TS, but it isn't something that that happens 24/7.

My main issue with this complaint, is that somebody always will have something negative to say about you, because that's just how things will work out online. Taking one person's note isn't going to benefit you. As another note, I still believe Wittly is allowed his own opinion, although it could have been worded better. Wittly also isn't the representative of the staff team, as I saw you made note that "if Wittly does this, what is to stop the other staff members". That in itself doesn't hold any weight, seeing as the staff team are their own person. That would be like seeing a player blow up the medbay, and asking how we know nobody else will blow up the medbay.

It was a poorly executed accident. The best resolution I could see, is an apology.

[Valkrae]

The TeamSpeak, in my eyes, is no different than the OOC chat in terms of what's described there and the general attitude of the people that hang out in there. On the server, its easier for Staff to see someone say something and immediately put a stop to it. Whilst, on the TS, It's harder to catch someone, because a Staff Member may not be paying attention, or will have some RL things distracting them.

That aside, Callum, It's my fault that your application took so long to be reviewed, I was juggling RL things and my Lore Team responsibilities and I didn't know when to call it quits with the IPCs. So, for that, I do apologize.

[Chaznoodles]

Staff and players should always be respectful to others. This is an issue, as staff conduct is important no matter what the excuses provided. If, as said, this is commonplace in the team speak, it's a major issue that needs to be dealt with.

[callum99877]

Would just like to say, he has apologised, and ive accepted. As far as im concerned thats the end of it. Im happy that he said it was true and apologised rather than denying it.

[Erik Tiber]

EDIT:Well, as it turns out, Soundscopes did not, in fact, tell the lore team this rumor. So I apologize for the false accusations lobbed in his direction.

I've taken this post and am putting it in its own thread.

[Skull132]

Staff member in question and player concerned were able to manage the differences, as per the player's report. Should a similar complaint be posted about the staff member in question, this case will be reviewed.

Locking and archiving.