Guest Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 Claiming your character is CUHRAZY when caught beating people to half death as non-antag would likely be frowned upon. I dont think claiming your character is mean should be treated differently. Mean characters shouldnt come with a valid kill license.
Frances Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 While what Frances says is true - that there is no solid evidence of anything particularly damning that Sue has done, I doubt that Chaz, Jackboot, Rusty, Cassie, Gollee, Tiber, Zonk, Starfish, and myself are all blowing our interactions with Sue out of proportion and there truly exists no problem.I have asked every single one of you to provide one single valid example of Sue recently doing something bad as a security officer. You have so far collectively failed to do so. Claiming your character is CUHRAZY when caught beating people to half death as non-antag would likely be frowned upon.I dont think claiming your character is mean should be treated differently. Mean characters shouldnt come with a valid kill license. Well, there's a difference between crazy characters and characters that are mean (simply due to personality, or because they're having a bad day). Crazy characters are pretty rare irl, dickheads aren't. Dickheads also generate more believable and mature RP than crazy characters tend to (you'll notice lots of shows or stories have someone who's an asshole, but few have someone who's mentally unstable. Plus a lot of people are terrible at RPing crazy characters.)
Rusty Shackleford Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 Frances, why do you keep defending Sue's actions on technicalities? Just because we don't have screenshots of every bit of her behavior, does that mean that a problem doesn't exist?
Frances Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 Frances, why do you keep defending Sue's actions on technicalities? Just because we don't have screenshots of every bit of her behavior, does that mean that a problem doesn't exist? I am not defending her actions on technicalities. I am trying to do my best to proceed logically on this matter. You all keep saying that this behavior is something she has consistently repeated - if this is the case, then it would make sense to ask for proof of it, no?
Susan Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 It is literally 30 points of brute damage on an accidental double click when I intended to hit her once. Fifteen is a bruise, and that is what was intended. I have never, ever abused prisoners to the extent of beating them super badly. One or two harmbatons during an arrest, and that is all. I even make a point of arresting my fellow officers when they toe the line, but now I accidentally hit someone more than once since I started playing in 2014 and I've been doing it all the time and it's repeated patterns oh no. I know this is a heavy roleplay server but do you people seriously have to blow everything out of proportion so it can make it easier for you to seem right, or what. 'Murdering people, lethal force'. Please. Frances, why do you keep defending Sue's actions on technicalities? Just because we don't have screenshots of every bit of her behavior, does that mean that a problem doesn't exist? I guess probably because she sees this thread as what it really is; everyone who ever got robusted or arrested and got mad about it coming out of the woodwork to whine and complain and embellish whatever they can to make it look like there is a problem larger than a cat who swears a lot.
Frances Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 I guess probably because she sees this thread as what it really is; everyone who ever got robusted or arrested and got mad about it coming out of the woodwork to whine and complain and embellish whatever they can to make it look like there is a problem larger than a cat who swears a lot. I'm actually only concerned with what's going on in this particular complaint (and I guess the precedent that I'm still waiting for people to provide). I'm not going to assume people are mad or holding a grudge; I will simply look at their arguments, and state the reasons why I agree with them or not. For guessing whether people are mad at the larger underlying problem of sec/heads doing certain things, there's another thread for that.
Doomberg Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 For clarification regarding the amount of baton hits, mainly aimed towards those who might deem it relevant: http://puu.sh/hfiKt/c5bb17295b.png there were four attempts, two missed, two hit, as confirmed by our friendly developers. Each successful attack produces three separate logs. Each unsuccessful attack produces a single one. Regarding the argument of previous incidents - yes, they exist. Yes, they are relevant and should be brought up, but they are not recent and in this instance I do not see an issue with Sue's OOC conduct. With that aside, I'd like to lock this to prevent things from spiraling out of control. My take on it is that this is not an OOC matter, but if you would like, I can have either of my colleagues read over this and give you their verdict as well. Thoughts?
EvilBrage Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 I have asked every single one of you to provide one single valid example of Sue recently doing something bad as a security officer. You have so far collectively failed to do so. This isn't the first time Sue has done this with Ana by a long shot - I can recall an instance before the detective and (my) forensic technician ID's were separated in which Ana repeatedly violated orders in an attempt to arrest the character who took the detective revolver - despite both individuals carrying the exact same title of "forensic technician." Specifically, she continued to set the individual to "arrest" despite being ordered to cease and, when the two met, decided the best course of action was to immediately throw a flashbang at them. I brought up this instance as well as the "decapitated a fleeing suspect with a revolver while detective" subject. A little physical abuse to support a mean character is great, but given the other posts I linked to, that's not what this is - this is an angry player venting their frustrations under the guise of character flaw.
Baka Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 We are not here to talk about past events with the character, when the situation was already handled and resolved, and topic locked. This is not about the past. We are here to talk about this incident, the present. If you cannot talk about this incident, please refrain from posting in the the topic.
EvilBrage Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 We are not here to talk about past events with the character, when the situation was already handled and resolved, and topic locked. This is not about the past. We are here to talk about this incident, the present. If you cannot talk about this incident, please refrain from posting in the the topic. I disagree. This is about establishing a pattern of behavior that needs to be curbed - if we're forbidden from bringing up past instances, how will we ever establish that pattern? And also take the nature of Sue's dismissal into account, and then re-read these two quotes. If you still don't believe there's a problem, then I don't know how else to convince you. I guess probably because she sees this thread as what it really is; everyone who ever got robusted or arrested and got mad about it coming out of the woodwork to whine and complain and embellish whatever they can to make it look like there is a problem larger than a cat who swears a lot. You seem incapable of separating a character from a player. Rather than "your character," I frequently see "you" instead. You seem intent on defaming the players themselves, rather than simply dealing with the characters.
Doomberg Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 Alright. I believe we can safely lock this for the time being, considering the hundred or so posts made without reaching any sort of agreement. Ultimately, I would deem this an IC issue. My offer still remains - if you believe this decision is wrong, you're free to PM me and I will have either of my colleagues review the complaint individually. Until then, locking and archiving.
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