You guys have to calm down

[Username]

i agree

people like 1138 and susan need to stop getting so upset over such trivial shit

this is a video game

[Guest]

Ya ok, continuing to point fingers will help solve the issue, right?

Here's a fact. People who are generally liked by the community or don't get involved in anything, aren't likely to receive player complaints. Members of the community that express controversial opinions or aren't liked by people are going to get chased after by said people.

[Susan]

So this is where it all turned tail to hide after the complaint was closed.

Really don't know what you people want. I don't see anything wrong with anything I've done. I've explained the logic and reasoning of every single situation I've taken part in, and I might go ahead and agree that Ana toes the line IC. But that is my literal objective. Playing in the grey area, doing questionable things. Not super good, not super bad. I've said this probably about twenty times and either people choose to ignore it or aren't satisfied with it. And if you're not satisfied with that explanation, well... I dunno what to tell you. The people who hold authority evidently don't see much wrong with what I do because I haven't been boinked more than, I dunno, thrice in the past few months.

I mean, you're free to chalk this up to 'admins love Sue' but using that argument is an egregious insult to the staff. The fact that Chaznoodles has been arguing against me this whole time is evidently not enough proof there isn't some crazy conspiracy here. I argue with Skull and Scopes all the time, I disagree with actions staff have taken. It's anything but a subservient relationship. But I already said this about twenty times as well so I'm probably just wasting energy repeating every single thing I've said every single time someone got upset for getting shot after revolvering people or something.

I'm disinclined to believe there is a larger issue here. It's the same people every time - I didn't need a complaint to know who didn't like me and who I didn't like. It was fairly obvious Gollee, Chaz, and I were not going to get along for example, and it is not even the slightest bit surprising to find their involvement here. The same for Erik, and Rectum, considering his meltdown and furry accusations towards Aurora, as well as others. The amount of assumptions made here is staggering. Letting OOC rage filter in IC? There's no proof of that, and it certainly isn't the case, but my words fall on deaf ears because evidently people can't stand counterarguments and pick at me for calling someone an idiot. Okay I guess.

I have no interest in continuing to beat a dead horse. I don't believe any argument posed against me so far has any credence, and the people who I am arguing with feel nothing I have said has any credence. That's a stalemate. But I don't really need to justify myself to a bunch of random people on the internet. I have explained my actions to staff who are seemingly satisfied, and I highly doubt that our staff team consists of people so ignorant and incompetent that they'd let the sort of embellished actions being flung around here continue. Nothing is stopping anyone from making a DO complaint. I don't buy any arguments of peer pressure. That's ridiculous.

In short, I've explained myself. You aren't satisfied with the explanation. Okay. I have no obligation to make you satisfied with it, nor do I honestly really care if you are. I don't play this game for you, and I say that not in an offensive way. I've been through this whole song and dance already, and after realizing the futility of trying to make people understand I think at this point it's really just wiser to let everyone's misconceptions and gossip run wild while they talk about evil old Sue behind her back and embellish/assume they know why something happened. It's too exhausting to try to refute the same argument from 7 different people 21 times because they choose not to listen to continue arguing.

And honestly, I stopped caring what people thought awhile ago. If the staff have issues, I invite them and have invited them before to discuss them with me. And they have before. And we talked. But people want blood and to tie me to a pyre, so. Not good enough. Oh well.

[Prospekt]

I'm not taking any sides in this, I'm not going to point fingers at specific individuals. The only fingers I'm going to point is all of my 100 fingers pointed towards everyone. This is what I mean, what happened to the co-operation between the /WHOLE/ community that I saw when I first joined? Why does this have to turn into a silly teenage high school soap opera? Okay yes, you earned your pretty points, you can go back to normal now you are popular. Do I need to say that you are Queen of the Drama? Quit attacking people like this is a wild jungle, I believe you are all mature enough to figure out that you are a community. Do I need to link the definition of a community and show you that a community only stays a community by working together?

It's not rocket science, you will fail if you keep up the drama. This is a lose, lose situation. There is no winner. If you want to go earn pretty points go start saying irrelevant junk at 4chan under your anonymous profile. I won't put up with this bullshit, friends. It's ridiculous and needs to stop, thank you.

p.s i still love you guys

[Guest]

Let's take it like this, community.

Put yourself into Sue's shoes right now. You are being accused of all of these things, and shit-talked behind your back constantly, being called shit OOCly and being kicked back and forth ICly as well because people are metagrudging. And I have seen Sue get bitten in IC for this before. You are being called nothing more than a teacher's pet, and you're getting demanded to fuck right off from the server because of the way you play or approach things. You explain yourself many many many times, and here you are, in the umpteenth complaint thread in which you've explained yourself and your actions. And no one is satisfied, and people are calling for a lynchin' of you.

How would you feel? Whether this was truth or not. Answer this question. I would ask the staff in this thread to speak as members of the community and as players, as well.

Because when people get like this, there is no way to win and satisfy everyone.

[Prospekt]

I'd feel like crap, honestly. I'm with sue on this. There is on reason for people to be treating sue like this at all. You know what, it's really sad. You know who you are if you do this to sue. That's really messed up, if I find out who has done this your losing all respect I have for you and I doubt you'd ever get it back. That's really screwed up.

Honestly we should start getting rid of people who harass and bully, yes bully it's called cyber-bullying sure you can close your computer or whatever but not when it's a game you like to have fun in but is ruined by assholes.

If you see people do this, report them, I doubt staff will leak your name. And if I become moderator, expect a good stop to any bullshit with this. I'm have a strict 0 tolerable rule when it comes to harassing other players.

edit: Let alone, people will get tired of this and just leave. Look at Seven_Ghost, sure it wasn't for this reason but if you aren't careful soon enough no one will want to put up with this.

[Tainavaa]

I spent like 15 minutes trying to find this proverb just for this thread.

 

When I was a young man, I wanted to change the world.

I found it was difficult to change the world, so I tried to change my nation.

When I found I couldn't change the nation, I began to focus on my town. I couldn't change the town and as an older man, I tried to change my family.

Now, as an old man, I realize the only thing I can change is myself, and suddenly I realize that if long ago I had changed myself, I could have made an impact on my family. My family and I could have made an impact on our town. Their impact could have changed the nation and I could indeed have changed the world.

 

Stop trying to change the server.

[Guest]

I think the entire point of the complaints was, and my reason for involvement, if Ana and what she does really fits into the Aurora enviroment. Most of the community doesn't seem to think so.

Now, Sue, please answer me this: If players started making DO complaints, they were valid and got through, would Ana change her behavior and face repercussions? No one believes she would and this is why the complaints aren't made. Just tell me 'yes' and I'll shut up and do nothing, never complain again.

[Frances]

1. Zonk only made the complaint because he didnt know who Susan was, he just assumed he's dealing with a garden variety shitsec officer.

2. Everyone was far too scared of the Staff protecting their favorite player to make a complaint untill that point.

3. Everyone was unconvinced anything would be done even if they made a complaint.

I personally identify with number three, but I still cant help but admit Im worried that once you become Headmin again, you're going to try to get me in trouble for complaining about your friend.

I don't understand why you're drawing these conclusions. There's no particular reason to believe those things - Zonk hasn't been ignored or mistreated, staff (and even I) haven't ignored anything said about Sue but rather tried to explain clearly why we disagreed with you guys, and it's obvious people aren't scared of Sue if they're all so willingly speaking against her now.

There's been regular complaints against Sue in her time here (both retained and most recently dismissed), staff have called her out on her behavior (at least one or twice wrongly), and as an ex-member of staff I can say her situation is being moderated appropriately, and she isn't very different from any normal player right now. (Though I wonder, if more members of staff come in here to say this, if you will accuse them of favoritism too.)

Occam's razor would in fact have you believe that:

1. People make complaints against Sue when they see behavior they dislike

2. Some of these complaints have been thrown out because her actions were not found to be inappropriate

3. The reason why Sue has not been banned is because she has not broken the rules or engaged in unacceptable behavior enough to be

There's nothing right now that does indicate a more complicated story. I don't want to be rude, but this is really coming out of nowhere.

[Chaznoodles]

I'm disinclined to believe there is a larger issue here. It's the same people every time - I didn't need a complaint to know who didn't like me and who I didn't like. It was fairly obvious Gollee, Chaz, and I were not going to get along for example, and it is not even the slightest bit surprising to find their involvement here. The same for Erik, and Rectum, considering his meltdown and furry accusations towards Aurora, as well as others. The amount of assumptions made here is staggering.

 

Here's the thing. There is a legitimate concern. People post on said concern voicing their opinions. You immediately assume that it's because we don't get along, because someone had a meltdown, and such things, and try and dismiss them? That's not how a complaint works. You say you don't care about how we feel, and that's an issue, because we're a community. You're labeling yourself as the victim here, when you have made so many others be the actual victim both in-game and on the forums.

 

[There's been regular complaints against Sue in her time here (both retained and most recently dismissed), staff have called her out on her behavior (at least one or twice wrongly), and as an ex-member of staff I can say her situation is being moderated appropriately, and she isn't very different from any normal player right now. (Though I wonder, if more members of staff come in here to say this, if you will accuse them of favoritism too.)

 

If you say there's been regular complaints against Sue, then why di you insist on calling for proof, if you KNEW there were complaints that you yourself had also expressed?

 

There's nothing right now that does indicate a more complicated story. I don't want to be rude, but this is really coming out of nowhere.

 

Here's the thing. It's not coming out of nowhere. A brand new player made a complaint, completely unbiased by previous interactions. This started a chain in which people felt they could then speak up without thoughts of hostility towards them, because ig a new player can do it, why can't we? THere are obvious legitimate concerns here which were voiced in both threads pertaining to the complaints.

[Skull132]

Here's a thing. On what grounds should a complaint be acted on? Here's my view.

• Are the actions in compliance with the rules?
  
  Simpler issues can be resolved on this premise. However, a few requirements do exist for reviewing a case on this merit: we need an objective description of what happened and how it happened (this can be rather difficult to attain from a complaint, and thus, may take time to build up through personal interviews). It also requires the issue itself to be clear enough to be attachable to the rules.
• What was the intent, does that conflict with the rules?
  
  This is a fall-back point. Both a defencive and an offensive one. If the issue cannot be directly tied to the rules and a potential failure to abide by them, or the issue is gray enough that it could go both ways, then intent would be taken into consideration. From a defencive angle, it will protect any player who acted out in good/neutral faith, but managed to step on someone's toes. An offensive angle, entering a situation with an invalid intent, one that does not foster roleplay in the manner required by the rules, is grounds for administrative action to be taken against you.
  
  It should be noted that distinguishing and reviewing intent can be difficult, specially whenever we're talking about situations where people act out more on adrenaline and make rapid decisions, as opposed to a calmer situation where they actually have time to review and consider the actions that they're about to undertake.

 

This leaves the system with a few vulnerabilities, which I will freely admit. No system is perfect, specially when we're talking about the assessment of people and actions. The main vulnerability to the system is individuals conducting actions wherein, according to point one, they can be swung both way. They can be debated. There exists a valid group of individuals in the world who have the capacity to engineer situations where their back is technically covered by the rules. Referencing my time spent in another community, an ArmA 2/3 one, I can personally say that people like that are extremely difficult for administration to deal with, and are very aggravating to observe, as a bystander. For a time there, I kept saying to myself: "Keep yourself calm, and focus on what's in front of you. Focus on your duties, your actions, your unit. The others will square themselves away."

For individuals like that, distinguishing of intent becomes important. The very painful and complicated question of, "Why," arises. And every single answer you get from every single person you ask it from will differ. Objectivity, something which can very easily be employed if the issue is simply about a violation of the rules, starts becoming more difficult to chase and explain. Further more, the call you make on the issue becomes more difficult to explain.

Speaking of explaining. We cannot make everyone understand. We cannot offer up an explanation which is universally understood and accepted. Even within a small family, even within the mod and admin team, universal understanding on all issues is not found. We can only offer the explanations for our actions and our decision, explain what we did to reach the conclusion (note that the moment there are issues with this, you should probably contact a member of staff and ask for further explanation). Whether people find it appealing is for them to decide. To actually make every action we take universally acceptable would require double standards and bending of the simpler truth. These are not actions I am willing to take, as they would compromise the integrity of my team.

And the final point. Loud opinions. When it comes to certain issues, I refuse to curb to it. I will listen to it, I will take it into consideration, but if there is an objective decision to be made, I will make it over doing what I am asked. Understand that curbing to loud opinion is the same as favortism, it is a form of favortism. If our decisions fall in line with one, then that's acceptable, under the condition that the decision is made with objective reasoning in mind. Not the other way around.

This does not mean that we do not listen to opinions and that we don't base actions on them. We do. We really do. But not in all decisions. Changes that concern MO, server operations, rules, etcetera are the main examples where actions are very heavily based off of public opinion. But execution while operating under those established rules is where public opinion takes a step back. Also, public opinion is a clear indicator of a problem being present. I admit as much, I know as much. Issues like that are brought under further review. But note that moving in on them in a manner that doesn't completely alienate everyone takes time. Time in days and weeks. And not because people are lazy, but because a well calculated step carries with it less unneeded crud than a kneejerk, a broken jaw and then a hospital stay wherein the jaw gets fixed (read as: a decision made without consideration, and one that needs to be amended shortly after, as it was not thought out and planned out).

I don't know. Ultimately, it's a game about 2d spess. Also, the amount of victimizing from all sides in this thread just makes me want to say, "No." To all of you. And it's making my head hurt.

[Username]

Ya ok, continuing to point fingers will help solve the issue, right?

Here's a fact. People who are generally liked by the community or don't get involved in anything, aren't likely to receive player complaints. Members of the community that express controversial opinions or aren't liked by people are going to get chased after by said people.

 

here's a fact

you have controversial opinions/you look for attention and people complain about you all the time

so where do you fall on that spectrum???

[Frances]

I'm disinclined to believe there is a larger issue here. It's the same people every time - I didn't need a complaint to know who didn't like me and who I didn't like. It was fairly obvious Gollee, Chaz, and I were not going to get along for example, and it is not even the slightest bit surprising to find their involvement here. The same for Erik, and Rectum, considering his meltdown and furry accusations towards Aurora, as well as others. The amount of assumptions made here is staggering.

I will actually disagree with you here. I've seen a few people express outright and blatant hostility towards you (though not always on the forums), but I sincerely do believe most of the people on here simply think you are doing a bad job. The few that seem to go "we're gonna burn Sue to a stake" sadly do smudge that line, but overall a lot of criticism does not come on a personal level, but is aimed directly at your actions (whether you or anyone finds that criticism valid or not is not important - we're simply trying to determine what it's targeting.)

 

If you say there's been regular complaints against Sue, then why di you insist on calling for proof, if you KNEW there were complaints that you yourself had also expressed?

As I said in the passage you have just quoted, most if not all of the recent complaints against her have been dismissed, yet people still keep holding them as true when they are not. I have seen people saying she attacked a FT while being another FT over the detective's gun (which is false), and beat someone simply for standing on a cargo tug (which is also false). My full opinion on this (to clarify) is that there is a semi-constant stream of complaints (written and not) against Sue, with some prior complaints against her being retained, but little to no recent material being applicable, or worthy of punishment. (The only thing I can think of would be her being quick on the draw in killing somebody as a Vox, though it's become pretty hard to discuss with the amount of noise that surrounded that complaint).

 

Here's the thing. It's not coming out of nowhere. A brand new player made a complaint, completely unbiased by previous interactions. This started a chain in which people felt they could then speak up without thoughts of hostility towards them, because ig a new player can do it, why can't we? THere are obvious legitimate concerns here which were voiced in both threads pertaining to the complaints.

A new player made a complaint because a situation seemed dubious (the ribs cracking and six attack messages, as well as the HoS being originally aggressive over unknown circumstances.) The situation was then explained, and closed by an admin, who also offered he would get any of his colleagues to review the thread as well if someone wanted to contest his decision. If you still think Sue did wrongly in that thread, the very first thing you should do is PM that admin and ask for a review, not post here.

(Also, I'm not replying to Skull's post right away because it's a lot to think about. I will later.)

(inb4 whoever is using an alt here gets their comments deleted for using an alt and being somewhat rude in presenting them, then complains staff is muzzling them)

[Username]

yeah i expect my comment(s) to be deleted

but all that does is promote the behaviour that gives aurora a bad rep

all i'm doing is addressing specific problems with specific players, albeit bluntly

[Frances]

yeah i expect my comment(s) to be deleted

but all that does is promote the behaviour that gives aurora a bad rep

all i'm doing is addressing specific problems with specific players, albeit bluntly

There is a reason why the comments like the one you posted above get deleted.

They're not conductive to dialogue because of the way you present them. This goes past tone policing - the simple fact is that you won't get a straight answer out of a person by riling them up. Thus snide remarks end up being removed, because they do little more than start flame wars.

And yes, you can say that people need to toughen up, and accept what you have to say at face value, no matter how rude you might be while saying it. But the truth is they simply won't, and you can't do anything about that. So you are the one that needs to adapt, in the end.

If you don't, you're simply posting here to hear yourself speak.

[zonk]

It sucks that this thread is going to turn into another "let's debate Sue's actions" discussion, though if anyone wants to bring any other input to save it, they're free to do so. Otherwise, it'll probably end up locked soon. Anyhow, in the meantime.

 

Sucks for who, exactly?

From what I've seen so far, a large number of players have come out of the woodwork to speak out about the same issue. I've never seen someone go at such lengths to dismiss an issue as you have. You've replied to nearly every single post. Now I really admire your dedication...I do. But here's the thing.

You pretend to be unbiased and objective, but anyone with sense can see that's not so. I just wanted to point that out, because when so many members of a community clearly want to continue having a discussion, and staff keeps trying to silence them, it doesn't look good. Perhaps opening a separate thread to discuss the issue properly is in order? Instead of this game of going back and forth at one another that we have going on right now.

There is clearly a problem, whether you want to deny it or not. There wouldn't be this many people complaining about it if there wasn't.

Just my 2 cents.

[Rusty Shackleford]

I feel like this should be addressed.

Nobody here actually hates Sue.

I certainly don't. I'm normally okay with Sue, and she's done good work as a loredev from what I've seen.

But the point must be made, that everyone must abide by the same rules. It doesn't matter if you're a regular who's been here since before the server was created, or a new person who just arrived, or if you're staff or not. The same rules should apply, and it should be fair in that respect. Someone who toes the line too often will have to be punished in accordance to the server rules that have been set forth and are supposed to be explicitly unbiased in their nature.

[Susan]

From what I've seen so far, a large number of players have come out of the woodwork to speak out about the same issue. I've never seen someone go at such lengths to dismiss an issue as you have. You've replied to nearly every single post. Now I really admire your dedication...I do. But here's the thing.

You pretend to be unbiased and objective, but anyone with sense can see that's not so. I just wanted to point that out, because when so many members of a community clearly want to continue having a discussion, and staff keeps trying to silence them, it doesn't look good. Perhaps opening a separate thread to discuss the issue properly is in order? Instead of this game of going back and forth at one another that we have going on right now.

 

'So many' is quite the long stretch. It's like 6 or 7 people. They've come out of the woodwork because they hold some kind of grudge for being arrested or something equally petty and this is an opportune time to start yelling to anyone who will listen and then pretend like there's a larger issue when there really isn't. A bunch of people screaming about something does not mean there actually is a problem. There are people who protest and yell about us eating animal meat. Is there a problem with humans eating animal meat?

 

But the point must be made, that everyone must abide by the same rules. It doesn't matter if you're a regular who's been here since before the server was created, or a new person who just arrived, or if you're staff or not. The same rules should apply, and it should be fair in that respect. Someone who toes the line too often will have to be punished in accordance to the server rules that have been set forth and are supposed to be explicitly unbiased in their nature.

 

No rules have been broken.

[Frances]

Sucks for who, exactly?

From what I've seen so far, a large number of players have come out of the woodwork to speak out about the same issue. I've never seen someone go at such lengths to dismiss an issue as you have. You've replied to nearly every single post. Now I really admire your dedication...I do. But here's the thing.

You pretend to be unbiased and objective, but anyone with sense can see that's not so. I just wanted to point that out, because when so many members of a community clearly want to continue having a discussion, and staff keeps trying to silence them, it doesn't look good. Perhaps opening a separate thread to discuss the issue properly is in order? Instead of this game of going back and forth at one another that we have going on right now.

There is clearly a problem, whether you want to deny it or not. There wouldn't be this many people complaining about it if there wasn't.

Just my 2 cents.

You are falling behind a fallacy by saying that because your side of the argument has strength in numbers, it must consequentially be right.

The crux of your point is that many people believe in the same thing, yes? If you actually believe that your argument can stand on its own, then you should be able to debate it for what it is, and not by saying "well a lot of people think like me, sooo..."

Also

staff keeps trying to silence them

A conversation was closed because it turned into literally 10 pages of pointless back and forth, with people ignoring arguments brought up by the defendant of the complaint and staff themselves. This pretty much goes like someone trying to contest a staff decision over and over without listening - you can only repeat the same story so many times to a person before deciding they're not worth the effort, if your explanations won't get through to them.

At this point, we're not even arguing about the issue anymore. We're arguing about whether we should argue about the issue, and nothing will come out of that.

 

But the point must be made, that everyone must abide by the same rules.

The question is not one of favoritism, but one of whether rules have been broken or not. The example of "if it were a bald you wouldn't have done it" is irrelevant.

[Skull132]

There is clearly a problem, whether you want to deny it or not. There wouldn't be this many people complaining about it if there wasn't.

 

I am inclined to agree with this. I don't think it's something that can be resolved in one complaint. At least, not properly. But, I do want to keep poking this matter. The Mods and Admins are having a meeting on Saturday to discuss a few things. The incidents in question, and more precisely, how the complaints were handled will be discussed as well. I promise you, the staff are not seeing eye to eye on either account, and as such, we'll be addressing those concerns and problems that they raise. As per every meeting, minutes will be posted as a minimum.

I just hope that my move above isn't seen as empty. As I noted in my original post on this thread, at the top of the page, moves like this take planning. Because what's called into question is the modus operandi, and there are flaws pointed out with it. These are not things we are going to change on a whim, nor in the middle of a complaint. Changing this will go through public review, will go through public debate.

[Guest]

Well, you caught us.

Me, Erik, Chaz and an unnamed Malaysian hitman made up the plan last friday in our underground fortress.

We were going to build a weather dominator first, but we ran out of budget halfway through.

Oh, and everyone else who ever said anything against Susan was on it too. You've got us. We're all a bunch of cyberbullies and you shouldnt pay attention to anything we're trying to say. We were trying to collect Susan's tears to use as fuel for our unicorn meatgrinder.

I mean, after repeatedly going "lel conspiracies" you're just going to slap everyone into an unidentifiable mass of cyber bullies who somehow planned this all along?

I mean, I am rude all the time. I suppose you can just disregard what I say and chalk up my motives to "Kicks puppies in his spare time". But, everyone else? We're completely unrelated people and unless you suddenly learn the secret handshake we use to identify members of our underground evil organization, I will consider that conspiracy theory sillier than mine is.

I mean, after a year Susan and her Self-insert being a condescending pompous prick to everyone around her, people get mad and finally speak out against it. Suddenly, a single tear is shed (By 1138 and Prospekt, not by Susan herself) and suddenly, Susan is the virgin Mary reborn, free of guilt and sin, and we're all awful, awful people for acting the same way Susan acts every day. Awful enough for Prospekt to declare he's going to hunt us and our "collaborators" down if he ever becomes a Mod. That's reassuring, isnt it?

As for whether this is about Ana, or Susan. Ana is Susan's only character whose personality is entirely identical to Susan's. Ana follows Susan's philosophy, represents her views and Susan does the same in turn when she enters the average lore related thread acting the same way as her character. When faced with a self insert, insults aimed at the character are insults aimed at the player.

When Jade Rathel calls someone a nerd and whacks them upside the head with a baton, that's Jade Rathel being Jade Rathel.

When Ana Roh'hi'tin whacks someone over the head with a baton and goes on a long rant about those fukken greyshirts, that's both her and Susan speaking. I originally earned the ire of Susan by making a half assed humorous jab at the Tajaran. This, combined with the fact that I like robots - which her character (And apparently her, by extension) does not was enough to put me on her pooplist.

Now, as for my accusations of favoritism - it goes like this.

Ffrances, you're the previous headmin and soon-to-be headmin. You've been arguing with roughly 7 people back and forth for two days on three threads in favor of Susan. Susan hangs out with you guys. You make jokes, you make animal noises in teamspeak together, you're friends.

And then, on our weekly "Oh god everything is awful" megathread, you tell us "Why dont you guys just report people being dicks to us? We'll take care of it". All while Susan and you are having a chat over teamspeak. I see that. I see that and it discourages me to do what you've been telling us to do for months. If you've been hanging out with the only person on the server more open and sincere about their shitposting than me, why should I be convinced that you're willing to do anything about them?

Now when we're finally crawling out of the woodwork and waving our antennae wildly to convey the startling pain in our delicate instectoid derrieres, we're met with some vague combination between "Man up and deal w/ it" and "Leave her alone you megahitlers".

You've been close to Susan ICly and OOCly for such a long time, that I literally refuse to believe that you could be unaware of how she is, why this thead is here, what the reason for this backlash is. In my mind, I am left with nothing else to explain your behavior other than the fact that you're friends with Susan. Thus, I craft my grand conspiracy, Ffrances.

If months ago, a long long time before I was here, back when Aurora was still young pat Susan on the shoulder and told her to be less of a dick to anyone who doesnt strike her fancy.

This is my closing statement on this Shitstorm. Im trying to set things right but Il just end up lashing out at everyone and looking like a bigger asshole than the person im opposing.

[Chaznoodles]

Damn son. What was just said. There is no way to be any clearer than that. Thank you for being up-front about it.

[Susan]

Frances literally has never even gone on the teamspeak and isn't even slated to become the new headmin as far as I know.

I'm not even going to bother. I'm so sick of picking apart the same arguments and hearing them twelve other times because apparently our community consists of illiterates.

Skull has spoken. But I still guess that isn't enough to satisfy anyone so who wants to take the stick to beat the dead horse next? Oh gosh conspiracies, self insert, bias, being mean - there are lots of targets to hit on there folks.

[Skull132]

Ffrances, you're the previous headmin and soon-to-be headmin.

 

Let me clarify one thing. And understand my intention is not to discredit your post nor to poke holes in it. I just want to make sure that this point is not misunderstood.

FFrances is not in the running for Head Administrator position. No person who is not actively a member of staff will ever be considered for Head Administrator. As it stands, she is an applicant to become Moderator, and the previous Head Administrator.

Also, the animal noises on TS are made by me and ChrisCa usually <.< >.>

[Crescentise]

Hello. I am a person who normally doesn't participate in these threads. My characters have never interacted with Ana other than treating her wounds.

Please believe that there are, for certain, many others like me: those who are unbiased, generally stay away from posting in discussions like these, and yet believe there is indeed a larger issue here. I am attempting a compromise of evidence and faith, as it's nigh impossible to gather everyone who thinks so and have them all chime in to agree. So I trust the good nature of the participants and hope that I can be somewhat representative for now.

The issue may even be that of rule-breaking (don't be a dick, prioritise making the round fun for others). However, the rules are fuzzy and need clarification for this to be made a certainty. There are rules we have no doubt about - such as no ERPing, for instance - and there are others which can arguably called guidelines. This is where the staff - not Frances - ultimately call the shots, and I hope that this will be discussed in Skull's mod-admin meeting.

I can only hope and encourage everyone to be as uncaustic as possible to each other in the meantime. Please try to have fun with your 2D spessmens.