Staff Complaint - Kingoftheping

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Reference:

BYOND Key: Teddybehr
Staff BYOND Key: Kingoftheping(?), Garnascus
Game ID: See reference
Reason for complaint: This round was fucking ridiculous on so many levels. An attempt to seek IC consequences from it when there was no established precedent nor guide for the actions taken, with what essentially amounted to Human Resources hijacking any sort of command action is completely unacceptable. This has revealed a flaw in the relationship between command and employment of people on the ship, which I feel needs to be addressed rather than IC consequences for a command crew floundering in the lack of information. I am not contesting punishment for Karl's joke, but I do think the entire situation is such a load of baloney it should not be taken as anything more than a reason to update regulations and SOP.
Additional remarks: To make clear I do not think this warrants IC discussion. It is the result of OOC failings and should be looked at from that lense instead.

Edited August 21, 2023 by restricted

[KingOfThePing]

Everything that happened was with knowledge and clearance of Admins and Headadmin. Nothing more from my side to say.

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Then I'd like to add their ckeys to the complaint because this is not a way to retain players.

[KingOfThePing]

The admins in question are ReadThisNamePls and Garnascus.

[Garnascus]

What exactly is the issue here? I have no idea what you are talking about. 

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4 minutes ago, Garnascus said:

What exactly is the issue here? I have no idea what you are talking about. 

The handling of the situation created confusion and created problems. If things had just been left alone or it was a simple fax confirming the quit things would have been fine, but since there's some imaginary procedure here not a single person except for staff are aware of problems were presented. My complaint is that the seeking of IC consequences for the situation is problematic, and that the intervention of staff in the round created the vast majority of issues here.

[Garnascus]

Ok but what IS the situation. Can you lay this out for us? 

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The character decided to quit, had their ID modified, payroll revoked, and was sent on their merry way. Paperwork was filed and send up since that seems about proper when you're not actually in charge of people keeping their jobs. A fax followed, basically saying they can't quit, that they're to be fined (this was interpreted as charge and fine them by command), and then the IRable things followed. If that had not been handled so poorly in the first place the IR never would have needed to happen. He quit, darn, he was going to get drunk, swindled into a loan by the Idris rep, and it'd be over. Instead it was made into a giant production of unclear directions, confusion, and HR involvement. It didn't need to be. Maybe an HR rep showing up to have a chat with them about quitting, but the entire sequence of events was stirred by bad action from staff. 

[ReadThisNamePlz]

Hello. 

The portion that I "greenlit" was the talk of donating organs - and whether or not that it was an IC issue or OOC issue. I admin pm'd you and the representative about it - You claim that it was a joke, and the Representative said it in passing as a subtle nod too it. The rest of this is wholly IC and was agreed upon by Garnascus before I even arrived. 

Would you have rather that I handled the talk/joke about organ donation as an OOC issue? I told you I'd treat it as an ic issue in the ticket. 

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5 minutes ago, ReadThisNamePlz said:

Hello. 

The portion that I "greenlit" was the talk of donating organs - and whether or not that it was an IC issue or OOC issue. I admin pm'd you and the representative about it - You claim that it was a joke, and the Representative said it in passing as a subtle nod too it. The rest of this is wholly IC and was agreed upon by Garnascus before I even arrived. 

Would you have rather that I handled the talk/joke about organ donation as an OOC issue? I told you I'd treat it as an ic issue in the ticket. 

I have already explicitly stated that I'm fine with that being an IC issue. But if we want to make it an OOC one then sure, the entire round from the sequence of the quit was ridiculous.

Edited August 21, 2023 by restricted

[ReadThisNamePlz]

6 minutes ago, restricted said:

I have already explicitly stated that I'm fine with that being an IC issue. But if we want to make it an OOC one then sure, the entire round from the sequence of the quit was ridiculous.

Then.. what part am I being mentioned in this complaint for? 

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I had just asked Ping for the names of staff members involved, their response had led me to believe you were more involved than just that. I will be taking you off then. If Garnascus is not as involved as Ping led me to believe I will also remove them.

[ReadThisNamePlz]

11 minutes ago, restricted said:

I had just asked Ping for the names of staff members involved, their response had led me to believe you were more involved than just that. I will be taking you off then. If Garnascus is not as involved as Ping led me to believe I will also remove them.

Garnascus okay'd the initial interactions from my understanding. My only real intervention was the organ question I asked you - the rest of it was pretty clear and dry IC issues, imo. 

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IC issues as a result of the fax(es), which was born out of a lack of IC procedure for what went down. The issue here isn't what happened, it's why it happened and that there should have been clear cut regulations or SOP to prevent it from happening.

The IR should not exist. It doesn't do anything to actually solve the core issue which caused this round to happen and by going for IC action rather than dealing with the actual problem it will just happen again.

Edited August 21, 2023 by restricted

[Garnascus]

Are you saying that CCIA should not have been involved at all about this? 

@KingOfThePing What made you guys get involved in the first place? 

[KingOfThePing]

Contract termination and employment in general is not command's jurisdiction, it is Central's. We got a "Reassignment" fax, which declared with a one-liner that the denoted employee terminated their contract. 

Thus I answered that this is a breach of contract and that command has to inform the man, that he may face a fine, while Central's lawyers write a confirmation of termination. 

This is how CCIA's involvement started. 

Edit:

I forgot: I also told command to find out why the man wants to quit, since no reason was given. 

Edited August 21, 2023 by KingOfThePing

[OolongCow]

I was the HoS, and I'd like to quickly point out that only a copy of the second fax, the termination letter, was provided to me, and only very much later once the order to arrest Jensen was already being carried out (which prevented me from reading it until CCIA had already whisked him away from the brig). I was not made aware of any interactions between CCIA and command staff besides a supposed order to jail Jensen for "neglect of duty, maximum sentence". If I'd been made privy to the actual contents of either fax before he was brigged this likely could've been entirely avoided.

I was also never interviewed by CCIA at any point, nor did they even really acknowledge my existence, despite me being the only command staff besides the Captain and XO to have been around for the entire shift. I feel as if me being interviewed during the round would have seriously cooled a lot of the tension and offered a lot of context, but at no point was I asked for, nor even invited to comment, only to later be listed as an "offender" on the IR despite being present and available the entire round.

Edited August 22, 2023 by OolongCow

[KingOfThePing]

There was simply not enough time to interview everyone. Being named an offender in an IR means nothing until any wrongdoing has been identified.

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After some reflection and collecting my thoughts in an attempt to not ramble like in the op I've decided I just don't care enough about this server to continue this complaint. Mark it as closed.