Player complaint - SueThe Cake

[Colfer]

BYOND Key: Colfer
Game ID: cr3-dehb
Player Byond Key: SueTheCake
Staff involved: None
Reason for complaint:
Somewhat toxic anti-antag talk in deadchat from SueTheCake. People literally just antagging and getting put under a microscope for every small infraction or thing that they do is the reason why when 30 people are ready, the game cant find antags 8 times in a row, Aurora has this foreboding feeling of not wanting people to be an antag and I personally don't tolerate people adding to that negative environment.  Players should be appreciated for their stories, and shouldn't be nitpicked just because they want to play an antagonist that attacks other characters.

For context; a unathi changeling was actually doing a pretty good job roleplaying as a changeling, roleplaying before escalating, and generally being a good antagonist as far as I could see, he was being pretty spooky and this is GOOD, this shouldn't be punished by having a hidden cabal calling out everything that the player does. Limb aiming is a viable strategy because people wear body armor, the main complaint about "Powergaming" is the fact that the unathi was using adrenal sacks which allowed him to use unathi sprint speed forever in order to get away.
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Did you attempt to adminhelp the issue at the time? If so, what was the known action taken by administration/moderation?
No, the round was about to end by the time I noticed it and I didn't want to make an ahelp that would delay the round.

Approximate Date/Time: 4:50PM, January 31st
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(Important to note: Not all the players depicted in these screenshots are at fault, these are evidence against SueTheCake)



> I said "Oh my god, Shut up about powergaming." "Let a man antag for once." "You people are the reason nobody wants to antag." (This is because there were more than just Sue, but sue is who I perceive the main person adding to this.)

[Susan]

2 hours ago, Colfer said:

For context; a unathi changeling was actually doing a pretty good job roleplaying as a changeling, roleplaying before escalating, and generally being a good antagonist as far as I could see, he was being pretty spooky and this is GOOD, this shouldn't be punished by having a hidden cabal calling out everything that the player does. Limb aiming is a viable strategy because people wear body armor, the main complaint about "Powergaming" is the fact that the unathi was using adrenal sacks which allowed him to use unathi sprint speed forever in order to get away.

This is entirely subjective. This is your opinion. I don't agree with it.

I don't know what else to say here. I regret nothing I said and stand by it 100%, except for the 'good I wish nobody played antag' which was me being dismissive to you for your remarks, ie 'shut up about powergaming', which I viewed as equally dismissive. I didn't take you seriously, and I gave you a non-serious response. The images you show are the exact same conversation that always goes on in deadchat, with or without me being present, and is nowhere near different from the generic 'salting' that goes on. 

Choosing to play an antagonist does not absolve you of responsibility - it is a choice to put more responsibility on yourself. People should not be encouraged to game the system or get away with certain behaviors because they chose to play an optional role. I don't even know what else to say, here. Is your complaint that I didn't like the antagonist's actions that round? Is your complaint that I verbalized that dislike? Do you believe antagonists are above any kind of reproach or criticism because of the nature of them choosing to undertake that role? Either way, I know what I said and I stand by what I said.

[Colfer]

5 minutes ago, Susan said:

Is your complaint that I didn't like the antagonist's actions that round? Is your complaint that I verbalized that dislike? Do you believe antagonists are above any kind of reproach or criticism because of the nature of them choosing to undertake that role? Either way, I know what I said and I stand by what I said.

My complaint is that I didn't appreciate how nitpicky you were, and your comment about "Good I wish nobody played antag" made me believe that you were cherry picking all the bad parts about the antagonist to stirr up deadchat into seeing these flaws while not mentioning anything good about them. I thought comments about "limb aiming meta" and "adrenaline sac ling.mp4" felt somewhat toxic, as if the player was doing wrong by using these

 

18 minutes ago, Susan said:

People should not be encouraged to game the system or get away with certain behaviors because they chose to play an optional role

People should also not be discouraged from using the game and its systems when the reasoning for them is valid, such as aiming for exposed or unprotected legs when trying to slow someone down

 

 

21 minutes ago, Susan said:

Do you believe antagonists are above any kind of reproach or criticism because of the nature of them choosing to undertake that role?

No. I am just tired of seeing some players nitpicking antagonists for any perceived slight in their behavior when I'm observing, as this completely demoralizes me to try my hand playing an antagonist and entertain the round, because I'll always be thinking that there's a group of players hyper fixated on me, analyzing and critiquing everything I do.

 

 

8 minutes ago, Susan said:

The images you show are the exact same conversation that always goes on in deadchat, with or without me being present, and is nowhere near different from the generic 'salting' that goes on. 

Yes I'm aware, its just in this specific instance I was under the impression that you were pointing out the flaws in the persons playstyle specifically because they were an antagonist, and not because they were actually being a bad one. I'm aware this is pretty common place, I wish it wasnt though.

[Colfer]

After reading through alot of the things presented in 

 I have to say that maybe I had misread the room and the environment, I'm still coming down from disease induced aggression that I got over about 6 hours ago and was needlessly upset by what is pretty normal considering what is written in the complaint above. From the little I was paying attention to the round when I saw these comments I thought that the unathi in question was doing a fairly good job, saw people complaining about it and believed people were nitpicking on antagonists again, I went back to writing another post on the forums in off-topic and didnt witness any of the aforementioned bad things in this report. I stewed on these feelings until I collected evidence and made this player complaint which now feels unjustified and wrong now that I'm examining it a few hours later with a more level head and more information.

I'd like to remove this complaint, as I personally dont feel that Susan did anything wrong anymore, and it was more my warped perception and lack of information that lead to me making this

[Lmwevil]

@Noble Row and myself were tasked with this one. 

The complaint is closed as requested by the complainant, however Sue you do have a tendency to salt in both dchat and the discord with toxic comments, we urge you to tone it down in the future. While others may also do that in dchat that does not make it acceptable, and to Colfer please ahelp when you see these it's better for us to handle it in the moment than going back through logs.