Adjust Secret

[Fyni]

I feel like this topic has been done a million times, but I'm doing it again. With the canonicity indicator, it's even more important:

 

Extended should not be in secret unless there are no viable antag readied.

Even then, it should likely attempt auto traitor, converting any new arrivals with traitor on.

Furthermore, secret should check to see what game types are eligible, select one and go rather then the try and try again it does now. I realise however this is a code thing and may not be easily implemented, so it's less important.

 

I know already the main argument. People like the occasional extended round, to do away missions or to get plenty of workplace RP. The thing is, extended can be voted for, and most if not all antag rounds usually have thirty to sixty minutes of uninterrupted extended at the start while antags set up or are still escalating small. Furthermore, people can play off duty and ignore 80% of antags if people merely wish to have an IC chat by hiding out in a service booth or similar. Finally, most rounds before pop and after our daily three or so high pop rounds are invariable extended. I'd love to see people who are so into extended actually use these too.

Extended, while fun, always leads to a large dip in pop afterwards and can lead to pop ending early. I really think this would help, alongside incentives for antag readies - but that is not the topic of this thread.

[VeteranGary]

Could be interesting if ody was implemented in the secret rotation too, but I have no idea if that's viable. At least gives a passive objective to explore even on calmer rounds.

[Deridin]

Easily agreed given that high-pop extended, while it can be enjoyable it does noticeably follow with a dip in server pop. An opinion that I saw from Acetrea that I now immediately latched on to is that it should at least roll the OTHER options first, especially if there are enough readies for antags, weighted or not weighted towards group antags maybe idk. But it would be an overall improvement either way.

Also given that the Round Canon will now rat out that it's guaranteed to be extended may play into people either leaving or not joining, I'm not sure that change that specifically would have a big impact because people can usually tell when it's extended either way while in round or observing. But those only in the lobby may not.

Given that we don't always have antag readies we also may still end up at extended if it's made to roll only after attempting the others anyways.

[Fyni]

27 minutes ago, VeteranGary said:

Could be interesting if ody was implemented in the secret rotation too, but I have no idea if that's viable. At least gives a passive objective to explore even on calmer rounds.

Given Ody's reliance on STs (it doesn't need one, but at that point it's just a glorified away site with a few guys there), this is not something I would push for.

[Deridin]

23 minutes ago, Fyni said:

Given Ody's reliance on STs (it doesn't need one, but at that point it's just a glorified away site with a few guys there), this is not something I would push for.

It could be possible if Ody could ONLY roll if there was an ST readied when it's part of the Secret rotation.

[Fyni]

47 minutes ago, Deridin said:

It could be possible if Ody could ONLY roll if there was an ST readied when it's part of the Secret rotation.

By it's nature, you cannot ready as a ST. It is a ghost role.

[Omicega]

I'd still like to see secret extended roll sometimes, especially on those rounds where we just don't have sufficient antag readies. I would not want to see it removed from secret entirely. There is a certain hypocrisy in so much of the server being in favour of secret (and half the ready list being security officer to boot) while steadfastly refusing to ever contribute to the antag population (I'm kinda guilty of this myself, but at least I put a couple of merc rounds in lately!) and then wondering why sextended keeps popping up.

That said, when team antag modes are sufficiently populated with readied players, I do think extended should either have a lower chance to roll than it does presently, or it should only be eligible for selection after a few attempts at rolling other gamemodes first. Seeing 4-5 mercs readied up only for it to go straight to extended is occasionally mind-numbing.

[dessysalta]

I have little to contribute other than to say please God make extended roll last in secret. It's a bit belittling to call it a waste, but rolling extended when there's 10 different antagonists ready on highpop makes it feel hollow and boring after so many months of it. 

[Fyni]

1 hour ago, Omicega said:

There is a certain hypocrisy in so much of the server being in favour of secret (and half the ready list being security officer to boot) while steadfastly refusing to ever contribute to the antag population (I'm kinda guilty of this myself, but at least I put a couple of merc rounds in lately!) and then wondering why sextended keeps popping up.

While I agree entirely, this is a subject beyond the scope of this post.