Xelnagahunter Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 There were other options that were not quite as dangerous. Making small scale explosives to quickly breech a wall is an option, as is simply getting an engineer with an RCD to tear a wall down. Options exist.
TishinaStalker Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Aqy and myself have come to a conclusion: Direwolf20 will be stripped of their head of staff whitelist in light of their history and this current event. If Direwolf20 has anything they would like to argue about this, then PM Aqy and TishinaStalker on the forums. The strip will take effect 24 hours from now; at which point this thread will also be locked and archived.
Guest Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 There were other options that were not quite as dangerous. Making small scale explosives to quickly breech a wall is an option, as is simply getting an engineer with an RCD to tear a wall down. Options exist. They had wall runes, literally in a circle, there is no way to bypass them, at all.
Chaznoodles Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Actually, I lost the ability to place runes after covering the front and right side with them, as there were too many. Remove limit so cult fortresses can be a thing pls.
nanotoxin Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Don't you think you should've at least let them(being Dire) say something on the forums before coming to the decision?
TishinaStalker Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 It's also been two days since the complaint started, and I highly doubt they haven't seen the complaint when you consider the traffic it's been getting constantly since it started. Regardless, I planned on messaging them during the 24 hour period anyway. They either have absolutely nothing to say to defend themselves or they're holding out on it. That's the point of the 24 hour period, Nano.
Tabitha Posted July 2, 2015 Posted July 2, 2015 I don't have much to say here really, I didnt think I was in the wrong much at all. So, Kim has been on and off station for a bit, hes not a new character of mine but he is not a well used one either. The mock accent, really was not to make fun of everyone, it wasnt even an accent, the man has a speech impetament and it was not ment to be hostile twords anyone, it hasn't been a problem until just recently aparently witch makes sense, because I recently started playing him more. as far as the disposals bit goes. as pointed out, /COMMAND/ as a WHOLE came up with that, not just me, I just so happen to be the one that got sent through, Nobody is out to win/lose this a game ment to have fun and I personally thought it was a fun Idea to go through disposals and not just because "hue disposals attack" but because I thought it was an interesting plan of entrance and subdation...As for the cultists we already had TWO people arrested for kidnapping and attempted murder who had the exact same robes/gear as those guys in the library, as well as the incarcerated one admitting that they were part of a "cult" and judging by how he had acted, it was assumed a security threat and delt with. As far as not replying until now. Im sorry to say that 7/2/15 at 3:48 PM pacific standard time, in a skpe chat with another player, was the very first time I had even heard of this /at all/ Im currently at the begining of taking a break from SS13 in it's entirety for a little bit so I wasn't looking over our forums like I typically would be, Sorry for my late reply on the issue I wasn't planning on this at all. On another note, Im not sayign any of this in my defense, this is literally just my view of what happened to wrap things up, I have been planning to leave the server for a while now and I won't be returning to the Aurora after my break this incident is /NOT/ why I am leaving. I have just grown away from the community and SS13 as a game and being a Head-Of-Staff is probably not somthing I should be right now anyways. Im not one for long sappy goodbyes and I won't be making a post about it, thats why this is here. You've all been good friends. It was fun while it lasted. Cya.
TishinaStalker Posted July 3, 2015 Posted July 3, 2015 Alrighty, don't sweat the reply. I was going to wait until I got back home from work (which was about half an hour ago) before doing anything about this; possibly waiting until tomorrow if still nothing from you. Anywho: The crux of the issue is that using disposals for travel is a horribly stupid idea and powergaming. No sane person is going to go "I'm going to jump down this high powered pneumatic system meant for garbage so that I can surprise people." In fact, in our code you're supposed to take the same amount of damage as you would without a locker than if you were in one in disposals; so stating "I had a locker to protect me" would still not change the fact because it's still a horribly suicidal idea. This creates a third incident of inexcusable powergaming in a head of staff position in your history. Punishment will move on as planned. Locking and archiving for real now, 24 hours from now on the dot.
Guest Posted July 3, 2015 Posted July 3, 2015 They arent just used for garbage, they're used for shipping, if they were really super dangerous, we wouldnt transfer glass sheets through it, or food, or animals.
TishinaStalker Posted July 3, 2015 Posted July 3, 2015 ... Okay. So, not people. I am still not wrong.
Frances Posted July 3, 2015 Posted July 3, 2015 Disposals won't outright kill you, but it's very dangerous for anything that's properly secured (assume humans stuffed in lockers are /not/ secured.) Now, I don't feel very comfortable hearing that simply using disposals for travel is powergaming. It's risky, and the decision to use it should simply factor in the associated risk. People messing with disposals for the heck of it (or to accomplish very petty things) is a no-no, but I believe using them to solve a hostage situation shouldn't be treated as black and white powergaming.
Guest Posted July 3, 2015 Posted July 3, 2015 Disposals won't outright kill you, but it's very dangerous for anything that's properly secured (assume humans stuffed in lockers are /not/ secured.) Now, I don't feel very comfortable hearing that simply using disposals for travel is powergaming. It's risky, and the decision to use it should simply factor in the associated risk. People messing with disposals for the heck of it (or to accomplish very petty things) is a no-no, but I believe using them to solve a hostage situation shouldn't be treated as black and white powergaming. Why would it make sense for someone to flush themselves down disposals just because they wanted to get to cargo? It's the equivalent of falling down a laundry chute just because you wanted to pick up your dried clothes or something.
Frances Posted July 3, 2015 Posted July 3, 2015 Why would it make sense for someone to flush themselves down disposals just because they wanted to get to cargo? It's the equivalent of falling down a laundry chute just because you wanted to pick up your dried clothes or something. You might be misunderstanding my post. I'm only saying that there's an associated risk to using disposals, and that risk should be considered from both an IC and OOC perspective. You wouldn't jump into disposals to run after an item you lost, but you might consider it to escape certain death or pull off a crazy stunt against antags. There's mechanical consequences to it. Like I really don't see the issue with someone going "okay, we're gonna try to stop these dangerous criminals by going through the station's disposal system, it's pretty risky and we might get injured but we're all out of ideas and it's time to be a hero". Then it either works or the person delivers themselves gift-wrapped to antags which is pretty funny. But either way, you can question the intervention of the HoS as a whole, but I don't think they should be punished simply because of the means they used. It wasn't a hostage situation. Whoopsie. Missed a detail in the OP, but barricades and security's willingness to bust the whole situation made me assume it was such. Anyway, we can file it under "bad guys holed up in a room".
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