In Protest of No Vauraca Racism Ruling

[Jboy2000000]

Its not forcing anything, you can still be racist to them, I think it's just saying that if your captain is openly racist against them, you could get bitch slapped by the DO corp.

[Conservatron]

Its not forcing anything, you can still be racist to them, I think it's just saying that if your captain is openly racist against them, you could get bitch slapped by the DO corp.

its saying if your captain is openly racist IN A WAY THAT IS RECORDED then they could get slapped by DO corps

[Jboy2000000]

I wonder, does anyone still have a problem with the ruling as it was explained above? I mean, it's pretty much the same as strolling into work and yelling 'Fuck Niggers!' that will get you in trouble.

[Guest]

No issue with it, it's almost as if nothing's changed though.

:^)

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

I wonder, does anyone still have a problem with the ruling as it was explained above? I mean, it's pretty much the same as strolling into work and yelling 'Fuck Niggers!' that will get you in trouble.

 

It depends on where you work. You'd be surprised.

[Xelnagahunter]

I think the underlying point here is that yes, you can be racist. If anyone has a problem and brings it to an official and they can find PROOF that you "dun fuk'd up" there will be repercussions because the company is saving face. No one bitches? No trouble is had. Loyalty implanted characters should simply know that doing so in such a manner is against the interests of NT and therefor should not do so. Simple as that. Be racist. tell bugs they are bugs. If someone reports you, get rekt. If your a head of staff, make sure it can't be proven.

[Guest]

Its not forcing anything, you can still be racist to them, I think it's just saying that if your captain is openly racist against them, you could get bitch slapped by the DO corp.

Horrible ruling. Forces something without any IC action leading up to it, thereby quashing rp. Remove.

Holy shit. How can you still not understand? You can still be a racist dick. You can be almost as racist as you can possibly want, unless you are implanted. If you are implanted, you cannot be openly racist. It's not an IC issue, it's OOC.

DO corps aren't some sort of IC inqusition there to control your gameplay, they are an outside force, semi-antagonists, RP. To say that 'quashes RP' is plain wrong considering that their point is to keep conflict RP going. Maybe it's not one you like, but that's the truth of it. If you want to be a racist fuck, be sure to make an effort removing evidence and getting people to lie for you in case you get cought. Else, you must think that your character should be allowed to be racist without repercussions. Well, you shouldn't. Unless Jackboot changed that without me knowing, Humanity isn't stuck in dark ages deep enough for it to accept public displays of speciesism and unprovoked violence as an okay thing.

[Nikov]

What if its in the best interest of Nanotrasen to be racist, ie, searching random Unathi after a terrorist bombing by Unathi? Not allowing Vauraca to become a head of staff because NT's own employment policies are racist?

Damn exceptions, stop confusing the rules.

[Guest]

What if its in the best interest of Nanotrasen to be racist, ie, searching random Unathi after a terrorist bombing by Unathi? Not allowing Vauraca to become a head of staff because NT's own employment policies are racist?

Damn exceptions, stop confusing the rules.

That's not racism, that's profiling. NT has a very real reason to search Unathi. They aren't doing it because 'fuck liggers', they are doing it because 'terrorists are bad'. After that search, they don't have the DO's insult, beat and interogate them, they are just keeping an eye on Unathi as potential hostile infiltrators. Because, let's be honest, if there was a Hegemony spy onboard, it would be one of the few unathi. Realistically speaking, any non-skrell and non-human individuals are unlikely to work for NT long enough to be considered for the position of the captain. Vaurca themselves, are pretty new. So, I'm pretty sure being heads of staff is not a fucking option.

[Tainavaa]

I haven't read the thread and I don't intend to but I'm fairly certain it was only for loyalty implanted people, and for a sensible reason. Blatantly hurting NanoTrasen's image.

[Gollee]

I haven't read the thread and I don't intend to but I'm fairly certain it was only for loyalty implanted people, and for a sensible reason. Blatantly hurting NanoTrasen's image.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

I haven't read the thread and I don't intend to but I'm fairly certain it was only for loyalty implanted people, and for a sensible reason. Blatantly hurting NanoTrasen's image.

 

• Nanotrasen heavily subsidies the media in Tau Ceti and several Alliance system. While the Alliance is an unfathomably massive behemoth that you can't fully infiltrate, Tau Ceti's public opinion is far cheaper to manipulate.
• Most of Tau Ceti heavily dislikes the Vauraca for stealing jobs, taking up space, being dangerous.
  
• Nanotrasen has meddled in the affairs of every single alien species that we've discovered except for the Skrell. Probably. Skrell lore is vague.
  
• Public opinion could rise about these comments, because it shows people in Nanotrasen sympathize with the angry anti-vauraca.

 

Nanotrasen isn't some small time Wal-Mart that collapses in the dace of controversy. This is a mega-corporation that can survive bad press, if we want it to.

[Guest Menown]

I took the racism ruling as "you can't remove Vaurca from your department for being bug. You can't pin crimes or abuse vaurca because bug". I imagined it as "you can force heavy workload on bug or subject them to higher work standards because bug".

Racism a lot more than 'fuck the catbeasts you fucking tentacled ligger robutt freaks'. Racism can be a whole lot more.

[Nikov]

That's not racism, that's profiling.

 

The distinction is not so cut and dry elsewhere. Many people, particularly those being profiled against, consider it racism. Nanotrasen does not consider canidates for certain jobs based soley on their race. In my country, this would get you sued into bankruptcy. Nanotrasen can get away with it, hell, most characters may consider it due prudence, fully justified, and serving the interests of all. But they can't say refusing a job canidate based on race isn't racism. Nanotrasen itself is racist by classical definitions.

If the loyalty implant prevents official acts of racism by Nanotrasen as a corporate entity, but corporate regulations include racial discrimination, and orders from Command can themselves be racist, then we have a serious conflict in the head of every implanted character to which there is no answer.

[Guest]

That's not racism, that's profiling.

 

The distinction is not so cut and dry elsewhere. Many people, particularly those being profiled against, consider it racism. Nanotrasen does not consider canidates for certain jobs based soley on their race. In my country, this would get you sued into bankruptcy. Nanotrasen can get away with it, hell, most characters may consider it due prudence, fully justified, and serving the interests of all. But they can't say refusing a job canidate based on race isn't racism. Nanotrasen itself is racist by classical definitions.

If the loyalty implant prevents official acts of racism by Nanotrasen as a corporate entity, but corporate regulations include racial discrimination, and orders from Command can themselves be racist, then we have a serious conflict in the head of every implanted character to which there is no answer.

I think you are seriously looking way too much into it. NT cares about the safety of its station, NT cares about public image. As such, NT offers high level jobs to long standing, loyal, human and alien employees, while preemptively screening them for potential terrorism. NT doesn't care about ligger pirates killing your wife, NT doesn't care about your issues with bugs, NT doesn't care about Taj hair in your sandwich. What NT cares about is you working, not tossing insults and agitating people of other species for whatever reason.

[Nikov]

Do we really need the loyalty implant as the mechanism that prevents long standing, loyal, human and alien employees from throwing around insults and agitating other races, particularly if the implant causes the contradictions I've outlined? This is an entirely redundant use of the loyalty implant when IA or Central can get some roleplay out of policing it, in-round, in-character, in-context.

Why does Nanotrasen even care if you're racist towards buggers? The only reason they're on the station is they can be economically exploited. Does a factory owner care if his foreman is racist against the Irish, if that racist foreman economically exploits the Irish to the factory owner's profit? Isn't Nanotrasen's interests served by being as abusive and racist towards the Vauraca as they can get away with, denying benefits, raises, medical care? Isn't it pretty much cheaper to just get new Irish Vauraca rather than pay the doctors to clone or treat them? Hell, Irish immigrants in the South were used to drain swamps and dig canals, because if they died of malaria, you could just hire another at a quarter a day. You weren't out a few hundred dollars investment in a slave. Is that too immoral for Nanotrasen?

[ChevalierMalFet]

I know I'm probably not the best person to say this because I think I'm the last one playing Vaurca at this point, but I think that the "loyalty implant = minimal Vaurca racism" probably has something to do with, and can be justified IC with, the fact that the Vaurca - as a polity - are much more powerful than any of the other alien civilizations. Check the Wiki again; the Zo'Ra hive is second only to the Sol Alliance as a power, and it's a very strong second. This isn't just a race thing; it's a Cold War thing, and powerful people openly antagonizing the Vaurca without some kind of reprimand could have long-term consequences for NanoTrasen.

I mean, Vaurca drones are bugs, of course; the Zo'ra and K'lax hives probably sold them to NT without any anticipation of ever seeing them again. They're meant to be used and thrown away. But open hostility towards the Vaurca program from officer-grade employees could have political consequences.

[incognitojesus]

Why was there even a rule like this implemented in the first place?

It's a ludicrous concept that bottlenecks the roleplay that was supposed to come from introducing a new species in the first place. I'm also shocked by whoever decided to implement said rule.

[Gollee]

It was to prevent Captains and HoS's literally saying "Glass Adhomai", "Build a wall to keep out the bugs," and telling the AI to shut up about it. All on public comms. Because that shit is dumb, and you would be extremely fired, so it doesn't make sense for loyalty implanted crew to be doing such.

Because that is literally all it prevents. It doesn't stop, for example, your HoS ordering "random" searches on Unathi on blue; or your captain "Losing" paperwork for Vaurca. Hell, you can call them names right to their faces if there is no proof that you did.

[CampinKiller]

It was to prevent Captains and HoS's literally saying "Glass Adhomai", "Build a wall to keep out the bugs," and telling the AI to shut up about it. All on public comms. Because that shit is dumb, and you would be extremely fired, so it doesn't make sense for loyalty implanted crew to be doing such.

Because that is literally all it prevents. It doesn't stop, for example, your HoS ordering "random" searches on Unathi on blue; or your captain "Losing" paperwork for Vaurca. Hell, you can call them names right to their faces if there is no proof that you did.

 

Except NT, as a mega-corporation, wouldn't give two shits about your opinion on other races, so long as the station remains profitable. They also practically control the media in Biesel/Tau Ceti, so it wouldn't be too difficult to keep a lid on it, as well.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

It was to prevent Captains and HoS's literally saying "Glass Adhomai", "Build a wall to keep out the bugs," and telling the AI to shut up about it. All on public comms. Because that shit is dumb, and you would be extremely fired, so it doesn't make sense for loyalty implanted crew to be doing such.

Because that is literally all it prevents. It doesn't stop, for example, your HoS ordering "random" searches on Unathi on blue; or your captain "Losing" paperwork for Vaurca. Hell, you can call them names right to their faces if there is no proof that you did.

 

Unless the Captain is being so retarded that it becomes unbelievable, could the DO Corps not simply... Not release the radio transmissions to the public? Who reads the logs on tele-comms? The Aurora is in the boonies of Tau Ceti, it's not exactly going to have a space-bus full of nuns fly by and get offended.

[Guest]

It was to prevent Captains and HoS's literally saying "Glass Adhomai", "Build a wall to keep out the bugs," and telling the AI to shut up about it. All on public comms. Because that shit is dumb, and you would be extremely fired, so it doesn't make sense for loyalty implanted crew to be doing such.

Because that is literally all it prevents. It doesn't stop, for example, your HoS ordering "random" searches on Unathi on blue; or your captain "Losing" paperwork for Vaurca. Hell, you can call them names right to their faces if there is no proof that you did.

 

Except NT, as a mega-corporation, wouldn't give two shits about your opinion on other races, so long as the station remains profitable. They also practically control the media in Biesel/Tau Ceti, so it wouldn't be too difficult to keep a lid on it, as well.

Ask America about how profitable the race wars are. Ridiculous levels of racisim and discrimination are obviously counterproductive. NT would want these issues solved. The best way to do so is to put a crackdown on it, something that isn't really expensive if instructing security. Captain and HoS are just ordered not to be racist dicks.

I mean, isn't security cracking down ruthlessly on racisists dystopian in nature? You guys should be enjoying it. I don't understand why you people see it as such a horrible thing, considering I'm one of the players most effected by this I don't see it as a massive issue.

[FinalVerdict3]

I don't understand why you people see it as such a horrible thing, considering I'm one of the players most effected by this I don't see it as a massive issue.

 

Maybe they don't see it as a challenge but instead absurd rule? Uh.. I guess?

Well, the thing is if Gollee is right, then that's pretty fucking retarded for the Head of staff. And I have to assume that the Heads were repeating these phrases over and over again which eventually loses its charm and just makes for shit RP then people get upset because none is laughing anymore then it all goes downhill from there.

I'm with you on this one, Bok. You guys can still berate, abuse and by all means make their life a living hell. But the only thing you can't do is scream random obscenities over the comm,unications, because guess what? It's being monitored. Dun dun duuuuuuuun. The equivlant is the police monitoring your druggy-phoneline then you call your dealer and you guys get swatted.

Also, has no one ever disabled a camera in a room and used it for shady interrogations? Because similar thing applies here, I would've imagined. Anyway, seems like people love to complain about what isn't broken.

[Gollee]

Not releasing records to the public is more difficult where lawyers are involved. It's cheaper to tell Caps and HoSs to not be racist over the radio than it is to undectectably alter records for court.

In addition, NT isn't just in TC, this also applies to it's bases in SA for example, where it doesn't have media influence. Many people on Aurora are also from the SA, and could report it to their media, and law enforcement, if the offender is also from the SA.

[Nikov]

It is, in fact, very cheap not to hire a Captain stupid enough to shout "ligger" over the radio. Why use the loyalty implant to police this?

 

Ask America about how profitable the race wars are.

 

 

The industry was called King Cotton, and without being a monolithic corporation, its interests were powerful enough to buy politicians, write laws and start a war to protect its profitability and assets.

Nanotrasen is even more powerful. If a Vauraca miner costs $100 a day or $10,000 to clone, there is no rational reason not to throw them away like Chinese or Irish day laborers on the railroads. Would the press complain? Humanity is broadly opposed to vauraca. Even better, Bound vauraca live off moldy slop, obey orders mindlessly and have trouble understanding self-preservation. Stuff a hundred in a shipping container, dump them on the asteroid, give them a oxygen tank and a pickaxe, and tell them they get extra chunks in their hog trough if they beat the 20-ton individual quota. Give them an Unbound foreman and you don't even need to beat them. We have the Irish immigration in the United States here to play with; other workers hate them, bosses abuse them, and even the white supremacist plantation owners would rather have some Irish hireling die clearing swampland than slaves. That is the kind of hellish scifi dystopia I want to roleplay in!

Oh, but we're getting our dystopian jollies by cracking down on the space-racism we wrote into our own lore, turning the loyalty implant into every Captain's shoulder-perched miniature university campus cop. I forgot how much fun that sounds.