Sadistic Nightmare Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) BYOND Key: Sadistic Nightmare Warning staff member's Key: IncognitoJesus Reason of Warn: Roughly, 'Ghosting during round due to broken screen, negligence of using ahelp.' Something along those lines. Reason for Appeal: Yes, I know this is in the wrong place. Point / move me to where a warning appeal should go, because I didn't feel putting it in general was a good idea. Yes, I know I don't have a high standing with the community, or at least the staff of the community. Otherwise nobody else generally acknowledges my existence. Now, pre-notes aside, I'm here to appeal my warning. If you want to discuss it, go ahead. If you're a moderator with a log of the events, even better. I've had an hour to cool down and collect my thoughts, and honestly this is just ridiculous. I am grateful it's not a temporary ban over a misunderstanding but I'm still going to push for a pardon / appeal because nothing about this makes sense. It was about 30-45 minutes into a Wizard round. I was enjoying it up until then as a QM. I'm told over the radio that an intruder has breached the mining station and Security were on their way, so naturally I just stay in my office and try to monitor the area through my cams. He rushes in, NEC CANTIO's the room and demands my ID. I LOOC to tell him my cam view is broken and to give me a second so I can actually try and fix my cam. Doesn't respond to LOOCs, threats escalate after a half-second. So I take my ID off and tell him not to hurt me. Shot with a crossbow, a known lethal / instacrit weapon. I'm pretty sure attacking a willing hostage is against the rules as an antag. So right after I'm hit, I'm insta-critted and dying. I figure now's as good a time as any to ghost given my round is ruined because I'm not going to be able to go back to Cargo afterwards even if I'm revived due to either IC trauma or the area being closed because of said wizard attack. A minute into ghosting, IncognitoJesus adminPMs me over ghosting and I tell them it's because I'm close to dying and I couldn't see because the wizard that decided to crit me wasn't listening to the LOOC that I couldn't see. IncognitoJesus tells me I shouldn't have ghosted and instead should've adminhelped. I told him that I didn't think of doing that at the time. He then goes on to lecture me how I'm ruining others' (Read: One security officer and one ERT) RP. He then gives me a warning through the Warn command, choosing to ignore just about everything I have tried to tell him. It's at that point I decided to leave the server. And just to bring it up: This is not a player complaint over the wizard, as I'd prefer not to contribute to their (Alberyk's) complaint thread without logs. This is also not an admin complaint, despite the shown irrationality of IncognitoJesus, the pushing for warning me, and countering my complaints and excuses / reasons for ghosting with 'You're very salty to the staff'. EDIT: As of 2/27/2016, it appears my warning was removed / not listed under my name. Whether this holds true or not will be seen. Edited February 27, 2016 by Guest
incognitojesus Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 Wow, there is a lot of inconsistency with this. And some outright lying. First, your reason stated for why you ghosted was because your camera view was stuck viewing the cameras. I told you that if you had ahelped we could have given you the very simple solution of going into the OOC tab and then clicking on cancel camera view. You were shot once, and put into crit and medical was on the way to save you, I don't see how that justifies ghosting and so, yes, that seems like quite a salty action, however, you were told you were being salty because of your attitude towards staff. You also failed to mention the point of how you replied with statements like You've gotta be kidding me. Also, He then goes on like a good little meter-maid and gives me a warning through the Warn command, choosing to ignore just about everything I have tried to tell him. Ignoring your usage of ad hominem, I didn't ignore what you said, because I explicitly told you why it was being given. Furthermore, your warning is as follows: Warning added by incognitojesus, for: Ghosting just because an antag shot you isn't okay, please curb this behavior. Also, you can cancel camera view if you get stuck in that screen.. || Notes regarding the warning: Was a bit flippant towards staff.. There was also literally no mention of you not being liked by staff. Quite frankly, I don't know who the hell you are. This correlates with the whole fiasco detailed previously in your notes being during the brief retirement I took before. I also never said anything about you ruining a fun round. I had literally zero interaction with the events or the people involved. At all.
Sadistic Nightmare Posted February 26, 2016 Author Posted February 26, 2016 Wow, there is a lot of inconsistency with this. And some outright lying. First, your reason stated for why you ghosted was because your camera view was stuck viewing the cameras. I told you that if you had ahelped we could have given you the very simple solution of going into the OOC tab and then clicking on cancel camera view. You were shot once, and put into crit and medical was on the way to save you, I don't see how that justifies ghosting and so, yes, that seems like quite a salty action, however, you were told you were being salty because of your attitude towards staff. You also failed to mention the point of how you replied with statements like You've gotta be kidding me. There was also literally no mention of you not being liked by staff. Quite frankly, I don't know who the hell you are. This correlates with the whole fiasco detailed previously in your notes being during the brief retirement I took before. I also never said anything about you ruining a fun round. I had literally zero interaction with the events or the people involved. At all. And you're calling me the inconsistent liar, Incognito. I doubt you have the logs to the round, and without them neither of us can ascertain what was said in PMs, but I can at least counter what I've emboldened in the quote: You did tell me that if I had ahelped, you could have given me the simple cancel-camera command. But you went further and stated in the PM that you are going to exclusively punish me for not using ahelp in the moment, after I PMed you twice stating that I did not think about using it. As in, I had forgotten about the ahelp command. Your exact quote on the matter of me ghosting after being put into crit was 'I'm detecting a bit of saltiness in your words.' I cannot remember exactly what you stated past this. Furthermore, I replied once and after explaining how my situation seems unfair, 'Please tell me you're joking'. Say 'same difference' all you want, I didn't PM you back like a sarcastic 16-year-old.You don't know who I am, yet you've read my notes and have gotten a brief idea that I'm apparently a salty individual who acts spiteful towards staff. Is that not what knowing someone is about? Getting an idea of them and a basic attitude towards either liking or disliking them? Or even an idea of their history given their notes? Outside of the obvious lie as your entire interaction with me was because I was involved (Otherwise why would you have cared that I ghosted?), I have some serious doubts about you not having any interaction with the event. You're a moderator, you'd have been filled in about the event / gamemode and would have most likely moderated it as it did involve both a ridiculously controversial antagonist and a decent size of the playerbase being affected (Code red, security and common radio channels lighting up over it). You went to such length as to claim that my ghosting was uncalled for in the scenario and as much as you can claim you didn't PM it, I am all but certain you mentioned the medic(s) that were going to rescue me as one of the few people whose RP / immersion was affected negatively. Not in those exact words as I cannot remember what words you used (It's been 3 hours now, and without logs I'm not going to be able to recite every PM you sent), but in the vain of the PM, the rough message you were getting across. And yes, I do apologize for the ad hominem. I did not see that in the rules when I was posting this appeal.
Gollee Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 As a note, I was the one who Ahelped this; as it was very poor sportsmanship. And for reference; Sadistic was shot with a crossbow, but was not pinned.
Guest Menown Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 As a note, I was the one who Ahelped this; as it was very poor sportsmanship. And for reference; Sadistic was shot with a crossbow, but was not pinned. Hey I get to post now since I was involved! Yes, he was pinned, or he was actually facing an issue. I was the Tajara Officer that got him out of the office. I had faced an absolute trial of getting him out of there, due to the fact that for some reason he was anchored in place. I removed the rod, got him unpinned (if he was) but I still couldn't move him. I actually had to throw him, tile after tile, on my way across the office and out the door, so to say that he wasn't facing an issue is wrong. Whether that was worth ghosting over, I don't know, but he was absolutely facing some sort of issue that was causing the game to get all fucky on him.
Alberyk Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 I was the wizard, firing the bolt was an accident, I was not planning to hurt him since he did comply to me aiming a weapon at him. The bug is due to camera view, you can't move people when they are watching the cameras in new code, and due to the emp I used to disable his radio, he got stuck, which I didn't notice at first. By the way, he could just cancel using the "cancel camera view" verb in the ooc tab.
Sadistic Nightmare Posted February 26, 2016 Author Posted February 26, 2016 I was the wizard, firing the bolt was an accident, I was not planning to hurt him since he did comply to me aiming a weapon at him. The bug is due to camera view, you can't move people when they are watching the cameras in new code, and due to the emp I used to disable his radio, he got stuck, which I didn't notice at first. By the way, he could just cancel using the "cancel camera view" verb in the ooc tab. Outside of knowing a great deal about your method of playing antag, Alberyk, I have to ask how you didn't see the two LOOCs I messaged before deciding to attack. I'm very doubtful you'd have either fired the bolt by accident and not say anything LOOCly (one of the BEST reasons a moderator playing an antag should have it on in the first place), or that you'd have an instakill / instacrit weapon aimed at a hostage if you didn't plan on using it. There were plenty of options you could have done, like backpedaling and taking the maintenance way out, stunning and teleporting, etc. But instead, with no ingame reasoning or explanation outside of a post-round, post-warning OOC response, you tell me 'it was an accident'. I have to wonder how the communication between moderators can get to such a level where they care more about their round than to take a five-second break in a maintenance tunnel, overhear the PMs, and send an 'The kill was an accident'. This little tidbit of information should be enough to at least pardon the warning given the entire reason I ghosted was because I was shot, causing the cascade of admin-PMs.
Alberyk Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 Outside of knowing a great deal about your method of playing antag, Alberyk, I have to ask how you didn't see the two LOOCs I messaged before deciding to attack. I'm very doubtful you'd have either fired the bolt by accident and not say anything LOOCly (one of the BEST reasons a moderator playing an antag should have it on in the first place), or that you'd have an instakill / instacrit weapon aimed at a hostage if you didn't plan on using it. There were plenty of options you could have done, like backpedaling and taking the maintenance way out, stunning and teleporting, etc. But instead, with no ingame reasoning or explanation outside of a post-round, post-warning OOC response, you tell me 'it was an accident'. I have to wonder how the communication between moderators can get to such a level where they care more about their round than to take a five-second break in a maintenance tunnel, overhear the PMs, and send an 'The kill was an accident'. This little tidbit of information should be enough to at least pardon the warning given the entire reason I ghosted was because I was shot, causing the cascade of admin-PMs. Except by the fact I told the staff that the bolt fire was an accident, you can ask IncognitoJesus or tablespoon about it. And I had to use jaunt mostly, to avoid doors and the others, because I knew that the AI at the time was after me due to the scrying orb.
Sadistic Nightmare Posted February 26, 2016 Author Posted February 26, 2016 Except by the fact I told the staff that the bolt fire was an accident, you can ask IncognitoJesus or tablespoon about it. And I had to use jaunt mostly, to avoid doors and the others, because I knew that the AI at the time was after me due to the scrying orb. Then you'll have to excuse the fact I do not believe you when just a week ago you killed a hostile in the heat of the moment because you could not cuff them, and when faced with this similar scenario in which I could not be moved by normal means due to my camera bug, I'm 'accidentally' shot. Now I'm just curious as to why Incognito did not bring up the shot being accidental when he PMed me, and instead pushed heavily for a warning.
SierraKomodo Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 Just want to hop in and say we did a bit of testing and confirmed there /are/ a couple bugs regarding the camera console view that fit what Sadistic Nightmare described. So, just to factor in that this is a confirmed issue and he did likely have this problem. https://github.com/Aurorastation/Aurora.3/issues/188 https://github.com/Aurorastation/Aurora.3/issues/189
Skull132 Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 As a note, I will be unavailable to comment on this for the next 2-3 days, due to work tying me up. If this cannot be resolved intelligently in that time frame, please lock the thread and let me pick it up after I get back.
Enzayne Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 I was present for the recovery (being the EMT medical staff mentioned previously), and watched Menown's struggle to get him loose. There was some definitive bug-type deal going on there, and it was an absolute ordeal to get him moved anywhere. I can not say that ghosting made by the Quartermaster had any particular effect on how I felt the round went.
Skull132 Posted February 29, 2016 Posted February 29, 2016 Why is this marked as resolved? Anyways. Warning lifted and note attached removed, as it's a bit of a silly thing to issue a warning over. Plus, counter productive towards the actual goal of actually getting people to talk to staff when needed. I'll have a word with Incog about it whenever he's around. done, Incog agreed on this course of action and we're magical. EDIT: The warning wasn't listed due to a database error. This has been corrected for future reference.
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