Saintsbury Posted April 22, 2016 Posted April 22, 2016 BYOND Key: Saintsbury Total Ban Length: Permanent (Antag Jobbaned) Banning staff member's Key: LordRaven001 Reason of Ban: Absorbing a Crewmember with no Roleplay Reason for Appeal: First, yes I had a history with Antag griefing and that is the first issue, the things I did before ruined the whole round for everyone, I reported myself one time and the other time I saw the reason behind my warning. These warnings were already expired. These things were half a year ago, so getting jobbanned for such a small thing in my opinion is unfair. I got much better at Roleplaying, I try to give people tips on how to improve et cetera, I would call myself a veteran player (Just my personal opinion though, maybe everyone things I'm a newbie or something). Second, many Antags dragged the whole station into murderboning with almost no roleplay for 90% of the crew. Like a wild Unathi venting Security Bay and killing the whole of Security in one big murderboning and because it "had" a reason, everything was okay, even if security didn't know anything, was caught by surprise and died in less then two minutes, or a Head of Personnel changing the AI's laws and getting a ERT/Security fuckfest as vampire going with no valid reason at all, while I was just absorbing one cripple I saw as a weak first prey to get some genomes to get the round started as ling caused me an Antag ban. Almost every heist and/or cult rounds goes either to shit, or has almost no involvement with the crew at all and this Roleplay-Hypocrisy has to stop Why is a nuke operative or traitor allowed to do so much more with so much less reason then a Changeling and don't tell me, they had to deal with bwoinks as well, they don't I speak of personal experience, as long as they don't ruin the round for everyone, they have pretty much an open hand while Changelings are so limited, especially because changelings start with so much less then traitors and ops, which by the way start with full equipment. Enough bitching on my side, saying no names though, I don't want to bash others. Time for some valid arguments: So I was a Changeling, Janitor if I may add, and I saw a victim I could absorb, I had a silence sting, so I was weak against someone who could run away, or defend themselves, so I had to find someone weak. Yay, there is a roboticist in a wheelchair I could absorb, so what did I do, I silence stinged him, dragged him into maintanance and wanted to absorb him. Why you may ask? To get some genomes, so I could start creeping the station, infiltrating high positions and let people disappear so detectives and security would start actively searching for a suspect, in between I would plan on how to get control of the station and give some "shady" commands. In addition to that, I planned on drugging people and tell them that they would be part of a greater us et cetera. Another plan was after infiltrating head of staff, getting people brigged with no way of communication and then absorb them, after mentally torturing them. I never cry when I get ganked early in a round, because getting started as Changeling or Vampire is hard, especially with the Hardcore-Metagaming many people show on Aurora. As I said, Changelings start with almost nothing while other traitos start with their whole equipment. You can ask tish or garnascus, when I feel I am in the wrong, I admit it. I even told tish that I deserved being antag banned for that holodeck fire, but I just got a warning, even with an already active warning pending. I hope you at least read the whole text before bashing me. And no I'm not hoping to get unbanned, I'm hoping to start a discussion. And no the reason I got banned from Baystation for a week for turning the whole crew into slimes as Xenobiologist with no reason at all. It has nothing to do with this. Sincerly Saintsbury //Edit: And yes, I could've prolonged it in taking the victim's headset off dragging him into the custodial closet and then absorbed him, but he still would've complained because, he is playing a snowflake character and already insulted me via LOOC before I had done anything. What I did was bad roleplay, that is out of the question, but my point is people are doing worse things with getting no consequences at all, because it's a different antag type.
Guest Posted April 22, 2016 Posted April 22, 2016 This guy gets antagbanned in the same day an enthralled cargo tech armed with a bulldog and a suit of tac armor is allowed to holocaust the security department? I don't understand how the same handling trial moderator can deal with these two cases (that being, "a general lack of roleplay") and dole out disciplinary action in radically different ways.
Jennalele Posted April 23, 2016 Posted April 23, 2016 There is such thing as escalation and elevation. I wasn't here for the earlier round, but I was there to personally witness the incident this ban was given for. Hi. I play Jasper Logans, the wheelchair bound roboticist that was ling'd. Let me explain what caused this ban. Roll down the hall from the bar. Start talking to an EMT. Casual stuff. Recognize Saintsbury's character go by. Jokingly LOOC "oi saints. you suck," and then I continue with my day. Start heading towards Robotics to do cyborg cell upgrades and get the xenobotanist a farmbot. Suddenly, I can't talk- I'm assuming it was a mute sting. Fun. I will stress that not a single word, in say, me, or radio, has been uttered by Saintsbury at this point, n'or does he utter one when he unbuckles me from the wheelchair and drags me down into maintenance. Not a SINGLE WORD OR ME was, at ANY time, spoken, before he tried to absorb me. At this point, he's winded by the rest of staff. It has been half a year, yes, but in that half a year, Saintsbury's antag game clearly hasn't improved enough. Here's the logs. I'll post a raw form (minus IP addresses), and a clipped form, from first interaction (LOOC joking to the point he was winded): [18:08:12]OOC: (LOCAL) Jasper Logans/AimlessAnalyst : oi saints [18:08:14]OOC: (LOCAL) Jasper Logans/AimlessAnalyst : you suck [18:08:28]SAY: Ethan_453/(Marry Brooks) : (Changeling) Well I got to make it and gain access so I don't know yet. [18:08:31]SAY: Cassandra Mavros/BattleBorn : Yeah, I've been told I have that. Luckily I haven't needed anything yet. [18:08:35]SAY: Gary Peters/Cryosleep : I've got some experience growing food so I could help the chefbot if I have access to the rest of the planters. [18:08:35]SAY: Marry Brooks/Ethan_453 : Ai? [18:08:36]EMOTE: Michall Prevatt/The flying banana gaming : Michall Prevatt snores. [18:08:44]SAY: Hunnewle/(NTRS:PSAI:NEWLE:OVERSEER) : Ranjid? [18:08:46]ATTACK: Saintsbury/(Ranjid Houdin) grabbed the neck of AimlessAnalyst/(Jasper Logans) [18:08:47]SAY: Hunnewle/(NTRS:PSAI:NEWLE:OVERSEER) : What are you doing? [18:08:48]SAY: Nanako Johannesen/NanakoAC : next one goes in the hot loop [18:08:50]SAY: Ickthar Slithiss/Kaedwuff : ID. [18:08:51]ATTACK: Saintsbury/(Ranjid Houdin) strangled (kill intent) AimlessAnalyst/(Jasper Logans) [18:08:53]SAY: Lief Bratton/Iloldtoday : I'm bored. [18:08:53]EMOTE: mouse (700)/ : The mouse (700) squeaks. [18:08:54]SAY: Hunnewle/(NTRS:PSAI:NEWLE:OVERSEER) : Busy! [18:08:55]ACCESS: Logout: *no key*/(Hasan Al-Mushin) [18:08:57]ADMIN: MOD: AimlessAnalyst/(Jasper Logans) : Uh [18:08:58]ADMIN: MOD: AimlessAnalyst/(Jasper Logans) : Help [18:08:59]ATTACK: Saintsbury/(Ranjid Houdin) strangled (kill intent) AimlessAnalyst/(Jasper Logans) [18:08:59]EMOTE: Jasper Logans/AimlessAnalyst : Jasper Logans gasps! [18:08:59]ADMIN: Alberyk/(Hasan Al-Mushin) jumped to AimlessAnalyst/(Jasper Logans) [18:09:00]SAY: Nanako Johannesen/NanakoAC : Bolt this open AI [18:09:01]ADMIN: MOD: AimlessAnalyst/(Jasper Logans) : I'm being [18:09:03]SAY: Marry Brooks/Ethan_453 : AI I want to make meds [18:09:03]SAY: Jesse Darby/ShadowSparxx : That's unfortunate. [18:09:04]ADMIN: MOD: AimlessAnalyst/(Jasper Logans) : wordlessly linged [18:09:07]SAY: Jasper Logans/AimlessAnalyst : w-wth-he--uc-ck-k-k! [18:09:10]SAY: Hunnewle/(NTRS:PSAI:NEWLE:OVERSEER) : Security to research port maintenance. Kidnapping. [18:09:11]SAY: Nanako Johannesen/NanakoAC : boop [18:09:12]ACCESS: Logout: *no key*/(Hasan Al-Mushin) [18:09:12]ADMIN: MOD: AimlessAnalyst/(Jasper Logans) : Please help =/ [18:09:13]SAY: Lief Bratton/Iloldtoday : The medical officer is a real hard ass. [18:09:15]ADMIN: MOD: LordRaven001/(ChefBot) : ooh mine [18:09:16]EMOTE: Jasper Logans/AimlessAnalyst : Jasper Logans gasps! [18:08:12]OOC: (LOCAL) Jasper Logans/AimlessAnalyst : oi saints [18:08:14]OOC: (LOCAL) Jasper Logans/AimlessAnalyst : you suck [18:08:44]SAY: Hunnewle/(NTRS:PSAI:NEWLE:OVERSEER) : Ranjid? [18:08:46]ATTACK: Saintsbury/(Ranjid Houdin) grabbed the neck of AimlessAnalyst/(Jasper Logans) [18:08:47]SAY: Hunnewle/(NTRS:PSAI:NEWLE:OVERSEER) : What are you doing? [18:08:51]ATTACK: Saintsbury/(Ranjid Houdin) strangled (kill intent) AimlessAnalyst/(Jasper Logans) [18:08:54]SAY: Hunnewle/(NTRS:PSAI:NEWLE:OVERSEER) : Busy! [18:08:59]ATTACK: Saintsbury/(Ranjid Houdin) strangled (kill intent) AimlessAnalyst/(Jasper Logans) [18:08:59]EMOTE: Jasper Logans/AimlessAnalyst : Jasper Logans gasps! [18:09:07]SAY: Jasper Logans/AimlessAnalyst : w-wth-he--uc-ck-k-k! [18:09:10]SAY: Hunnewle/(NTRS:PSAI:NEWLE:OVERSEER) : Security to research port maintenance. Kidnapping. [18:09:16]EMOTE: Jasper Logans/AimlessAnalyst : Jasper Logans gasps! I'm not going to comment on the earlier round you mentioned, but things like this, coupled with past incidents, is often grounds for an antag ban. If you want to discuss the incidents of the other round, make a new thread for it, don't bring it into this one.
LordRaven001 Posted April 23, 2016 Posted April 23, 2016 This guy gets antagbanned in the same day an enthralled cargo tech armed with a bulldog and a suit of tac armor is allowed to holocaust the security department? I don't understand how the same handling trial moderator can deal with these two cases (that being, "a general lack of roleplay") and dole out disciplinary action in radically different ways. Greetings! This incident was entirely different from the one being asked to be reconcidered, Sslazhir Yinzr's player completed proper elevation by asking security to stand down three times before security threw a flashbang at him and he open fired. Now onto this incident, The reason why you got such a harsh punishment is due to the fact that you have had a large history of antag griefing and we as an entire staff team decided it was the correct course of action, I personally witnessed you drag Aimless into the maintenance tunnel after mute stinging with zero roleplay involved, Antags are there to make the server fun not to gank players, I will be discussing this with my Mentor to come to a decision.
Serveris Posted April 23, 2016 Posted April 23, 2016 Right. After speaking with Raven, it has been decided that the reasoning behind this ban is indeed justified. That being said, in light of it being the first antag ban applied in response to the aforementioned and respective notes, the ban will be lessened to three weeks, and then left to expire. Warnings thus far appear to have been ineffective, given repeat offenses. Further violations of antagonist expectations could very well result in an antag ban being reapplied in the future with a heavy penalty. This request is considering resolved. Locking and archiving. Cheerio.
Skull132 Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 Ban reviewed per my own prerogative and lifted. The last note prior to this incident was issued 16SEP2015, making it a gap of 7 months with no other violations. Then ban would have been valid if it had happened in a close timeframe after that warning, but after 7 months of no violations it's needless escalation of punishment. Gaps in notes should be treated as conduct that's acceptable in terms of the rules, and should thus completely invalidate old notes. (Minor exceptions made, depending on circumstance, of course.) LordRaven will be counselled on this, and I'll be figuring out why senior staff didn't call shenanigans on a 3 week tempban (when the max temp ban should be 1 week, after that consider perma) and the ban in general.
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