Clear up the IAA Confusion, Please

[Damarik]

Okay, so I recently started playing an IAA. Some of you already hate him.

I'm a bit confused as to why half the forms pertaining to the IA division aren't valid anymore.

"This receipt lists an error in the denoted record of the denoted employee of the NanoTrasen Civilian Branch. This receipt further denotes the fine for failure to adhere to records regulations. Additional fines may be levied should the erroneous records not be rectified."

I was talked down to by a Chief Engineer, stating that there 'are no records regs'. Looking into it, I actually couldn't find any. So why does this form exist?

We have two forms we can use reliably:

IAA Audit

IAA Staff Audit

There's another two forms we can use semi-frequently:

Situation Report (Was told that command is actually supposed to do these, but since the IAA is on the command channel, I don't get what the issue is)

Incident Report (Sorta Same dealie as above)

I used all four forms, and then some, on my first round as IAA. (And good god was it a long one) Yet despite this, I'm constantly getting talked-back to IC by characters quoting or denying regs to the IAA. So... clarification needs to come up on this.

Suggestions:

Fix the Regs to add in the Records Regulation listed on the Records Error Reciept to allow IAA to fine people for not having their work history/education listed on their player text sheets

List the Incident and Situation reports as IAA accessible

Allow the Complaint Forms to be sent IC without having to wait for EoR to post to the forum, else remove the Complaint Forms altogether.

[Mofo1995]

Well, as it currently stands, "bad records" which is not blank records, but non-sensical or all around poorly made records are considered OOC problems. We currently don't have regulations on them because they're handled OOCly. As far as incident reports, that is entirely within your domain as an IAA. Incident reports are formal persistent complaints filed against one coworker from another which gets logged in the incident report forum for investigation by CCIAAs. As far as situation reports go, generally it's station command's prerogative, being in command, to send a situation report of their volition, but there are cases when an IAA may want to send one. Such as when Central asks the station for a situation report in various scenarios, or possibly when command is being grossly negligent and the IAA needs some central backing to handle it.

You're right though, there are forms in our new code database which are unusable and shouldn't be there. Our old code forum database had them filtered out, but when we switched to new code, the condensed list was lost. So, we uploaded every form which was suggested in the original list of forms, I can find the link later, it's on these forums somewhere.

Also, complaint forms are for in round, to let security know you're complaining about someone. They then usually don't act on it. Incident reports are the complaints you can and are able to fax back to central for filing which will be investigated.

[Guest]

I'm pretty sure Incident report is when something is being dealt with internally by way of station command or IAA. I've been told to file situation reports as the correct file type for asking NTCC for anything or for reporting what just happened.

Situation report is when you're externally communicating from the station command structure out to NTCC in order to... communicate whatever, really. It can be anything in this respect.

[Guest Marlon Phoenix]

Situation Report should really be called "Fax Report" and the other redundant "General Fax" removed.

Internal Fines are for security to give out, not IAA. IAA do not place fines, you are a snitch but not the enforcer.

The "this guy has bad records" was often used by me. I clipped it on top of their three sets of records if they were bad records and faxed them to Odin so CCIA could notice and respond. Bad records were declared an OOC issue, which makes this entire thing extraordinarily messy and redundant and the primary reason I retired my IAA character.

We can work on removing the redundant IAA paperwork or editing them to coincide with this,

https://aurorastation.org/wiki/index.php?title=Internal_Affairs

Everything on this wiki page that it says you have the power to do... You have the power to do. If a member of Command is giving you a hard time then they are obstructing an IAA investigation. In this instance, go to the Captain or CCIA.

[Damarik]

Okay... so apparently I was totally off on my idea of what IA actually was. Removed the current post as it now bears no relevance on the topic, after my learning experience. O3o

[Nanako]

The IAA job is stupid, remove it.

Just allow CCIAs to play rounds as their CC characters.

allowing non-CCIA to represent NT central command on station is silly.

[Damarik]

The IAA job is stupid, remove it.

Just allow CCIAs to play rounds as their CC characters.

allowing non-CCIA to represent NT central command on station is silly.

 

After reading what I have, I'm in agreement with Nanako, here. The IAA are essentially redundant and without purpose when it comes to the CCIA.

[Nanako]

Moreover, i posit that everyone has long ago realised the idea had some huge flaws. And instead of removing the role, they chose instead to simply restrict IAA's to such a severe degree that they essentially can't do anything

Just allows CCIA players to play CCIA characters on station, and participate in the round, but obviously make their deaths non canon

[Arrow768]

Moreover, i posit that everyone has long ago realised the idea had some huge flaws. And instead of removing the role, they chose instead to simply restrict IAA's to such a severe degree that they essentially can't do anything

Just allows CCIA players to play CCIA characters on station, and participate in the round, but obviously make their deaths non canon

 

This will just lead to more and more people applying for ccia to "get just another whitelist" but have no or litte interest in actually doing what ccia should do: Handle incident reports

[Owen]

Absolutely not. I do not at all want CCIA characters to be on the station as a role that is always there. That is not the purpose of the CCIA Bureau and without drastic changes it will stay that way. The much better thing to do would be a redesign of the Internal Affairs Agent's purpose for being on the station. I'll be the first to admit, I really neglected the IAA during my time as CCIA Leader even with my countless times of saying that I was going to rewrite the purpose of the IAA on the station.

I'm sure that the CCIA and Lorepeople/Headmins would be able to work out a new purpose for the IAA without making the CCIA a role on station which would also need a lore rewrite explaining why the agent would be assigned to stations instead of being a general monitor of all NanoTrasen facilities in the region.

EDIT: If it wasn't clear that was directed at Nanako's suggestion of making CCIA a permanent role on station.

[DatBerry]

Absolutely not. I do not at all want CCIA characters to be on the station as a role that is always there. That is not the purpose of the CCIA Bureau and without drastic changes it will stay that way. The much better thing to do would be a redesign of the Internal Affairs Agent's purpose for being on the station. I'll be the first to admit, I really neglected the IAA during my time as CCIA Leader even with my countless times of saying that I was going to rewrite the purpose of the IAA on the station.

I'm sure that the CCIA and Lorepeople/Headmins would be able to work out a new purpose for the IAA without making the CCIA a role on station which would also need a lore rewrite explaining why the agent would be assigned to stations instead of being a general monitor of all NanoTrasen facilities in the region.

EDIT: If it wasn't clear that was directed at Nanako's suggestion of making CCIA a permanent role on station.

 

i actually like how IAA don't have much to do, though extra powers may be nice, its not entirely needed. and might actually detract and end up with people going iAA just for the new updates, not for the job itself. though a egun for IAAs when the bears attack would be nice instead of a fooken FLASH