Wer6 Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 BYOND Key: Wer6 Total Ban Length: Permanent Banning staff member's Key:Shameonturtles Reason of Ban: Abusing a bug with chemicals from thrown plants going through walls, killing multiple people. Also killed upwards of six people with little reason as an antag. You have been warned previously for both of these offenses. Reason for Appeal: Yeah, I might be bug abusing, unrobust, and excessively scheming when I get antagonist. In fact, that is pretty much why I avoid going antagonist because I know I can’t beat anyone on the security team unless I do sick shit like throwing the cyanide apples first and then later through windows. I’m gonna accept that, yes, I really fucked up by lying to an admin about knowing that the splatter of apples goes through walls. I’m pretty sure the worst thing I did was when I finished with the cyanide apples and walked out of science while screaming about how my character has all the edge, but when the four officers came, I just panicked and threw apples and basically put them down for the count. Yeah, I could’ve handled that situation differently, but the entire time I thought I was gonna be ruthlessly killed just out of some sort of spite against me due to the events previous to encounter. I was brigged, made fun of and essentially just clubbed around by members of Engineering, cyborgs, and security, at least from my point of view at the time. At this point I really don't think I can beat myself up anymore without sounding like a lunatic, So I am gonna go straight to the point and sum up why I should be unbanned. “Because I won't do it again, and I know how I fucked it up previously.” I could replace the entire wall of text and it will still be the same with just that one sentence. I really can't think of any other reason that doesn't sound stupid. ((Because Albi-jerk manipulated from the shadows, and the admins hate me soo much, it's all a plot!))
sdtwbaj Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 I'd support a reduction if not outright unban, but there should be an antag ban in place. The rules of escalation were fairly ignored here, not even the bare minimum of making a threat so that Security tried to engage. As for window glitching, you can't really blame the guy, right? It was a bug, but it's a thing that works. It should be addressed to make that /not/ work if we're going to ban people for it.
sonicgotnuked Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 I actually enjoy wer's characters. Why did they get a full permanent ban to kick them off the server for shitty antag play? If they had a past history, then antag ban them.
Shadow Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 He abused the bug mentioned in the OPs post. He ignored the escalating force rule. He was warned for both of it. What did he do now? He abused the bug again, fully aware of the bug and the consequences. He ignored the escalating force rule again, fully aware that this will (at least) result in an antag ban. So this isn't just for "shitty antag play." Its for "shitty antag play", ignoring the warning and to a certain extend staff and abusing bugs.
Wer6 Posted January 4, 2017 Author Posted January 4, 2017 I never had known about the bug where cyanide apples would go through windows until the round where I got banned. I knew about it and lied to an admin about it, yes, but not before. the warning on my account was about abusing teleportation as a wizard. I'm honestly thinking that a permanent ban was a little extreme, a antagonist ban would've been... sufficient.
Scheveningen Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 Not supporting. You did this, knowingly, twice. You took possibly a total of 10 characters out of the round by doing this in the second round. Mistakes are only worth making once, but the second time you manufactured these you did so knowing that you acknowledged the warning in one round previous. Lying to an admin about these details isn't a good thing either. I suggest not lifting the ban right off the bat. A downgrade from permanent would be better, but they should still be banned from the server for at least a week (if not more) to be given a break from the server and prevent future incidents from occurring. “Because I won't do it again, and I know how I fucked it up previously.” I hope you recognize that bans already fulfill this purpose in keeping you off the server and stopping you from physically doing it again until your alotted time runs out. I also hope you have a better reason than that.
Wer6 Posted January 4, 2017 Author Posted January 4, 2017 I really don't think I have a better reason. I mean, I could say that I've contributed so much to the server with my characters all doing what other people consider "very good" roleplay and other such, but I think that's just a little bit too much for me. I could also say I am a really bad wus and I want to get back to the server I contribute to the most out of any other, play the most out of any other server, and that I am willing to change my actions and attitude if I am unbanned.
Scheveningen Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 That seems honest, I think. I'm shifting to neutral at the very least, but some degree of disciplinary action should still remain.
Wer6 Posted January 4, 2017 Author Posted January 4, 2017 I am all for that, I know I fucked up, I am completely okay with an antag ban and a week or more ban, but a permanent ban just seems a little bit... too much for murdering and bug abusing.
ShameOnTurtles Posted January 5, 2017 Posted January 5, 2017 Right. Regarding other replies. As for window glitching, you can't really blame the guy, right? It was a bug, but it's a thing that works. Abusing bugs is against the rules even if they shouldn't be in the game in the first place. This is why we have the 'report a bug' button. This is why you're told specifically in the rules to adminhelp about bugs, or adminhelp if there is any confusion. I actually enjoy wer's characters. Why did they get a full permanent ban to kick them off the server for shitty antag play? If they had a past history, then antag ban them. As Shadow said, this isn't just a case of repeated poor antagonist play. Knowingly abusing bugs - not for the first time - then lying to staff about it is the issue here. Regarding Wer6: So, as some background, you were given a warning for abusing a bug and not reporting it to staff as a wizard. ...but not before. the warning on my account was about abusing teleportation as a wizard. To clear this up: regardless of what specific bug you abused previously, that warning should have been a wake-up call to report bugs to staff instead of using them to your advantage ingame. The permanent ban was taking into account the recent previous warnings on both abusing bugs and poor antag play respectively - as well as lying to staff. I'm fine with this being lowered to a week server ban perhaps, with a separate permanent antagonist ban that can be appealed.
Wer6 Posted January 5, 2017 Author Posted January 5, 2017 I am alright with lowering it to a week ban with a antag ban.
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