[Resolved] Player complaint - XanderDox

[Mcspizzy]

BYOND Key: Mcspizzy

Game ID: This happens just about every single time Xander dies or when something does not go his way, however the most recent rounds i can think of is this one bRi-a0eK (wizard) and bRi-aLA4 (ninja)

Player Byond Key: XanderDox

Staff involved: I myself did not ahelp xander over what happened that round, but as for previous events, im sure some have delt with this.

Reason for complaint: The reason for my complaint is pretty straight forward. Whenever xander dies, or is met with something that he does not agree with ingame and has no power to change, he will immediately either begin making passive aggressive remarks or harassing players in looc, in some cases both. In the rounds listed above, xander makes multiple looc interactions with players calling them out for for killing him or inconveniencing him. As with the Wizard round, xander makes looc remarks against myself and Bath salts addict for killing him after he blew up parts of the station, statue'd three people, killed a cadet and attacked BSA, and turned a crew member non-human, which is considered murder as of the CCIA notice 'Slimes Experiments & Non-sapient Xenological Lifeforms', Which all started because i had asked to see their ID. And with the ninja round being Xander attacking @unknownmurderer in looc after they killed them as the ninja.

I'm not sure what sort of action should be taken against this, if at all. I'm not sure if xander has had a history with this with admins. But at the very least, i would like to see this kind of behaviour stopped.

Did you attempt to adminhelp the issue at the time? If so, what was the known action taken by administration/moderation? I did not ahelp xander when he did such as the Wizard. I really didn't want to have him get in trouble, as he can be fun to interact with icly and his characters nicely done. But it seems that this is the only way to have this behaviour resolved.

Approximate Date/Time: between 1-3AM EST, 11/5/2017

[Azande]

You tried to arrest me for not having an ID and physically threw me out of the holodeck, I then tried to flee and you with your baton hit me with it multiple times, so you go turned to stone.

You started the hostilities, I wanted to tell a story for the first half of the round and recruit wizards to fight a war against evil with me. But nope, not on your watch. You also if I remember correctly, were the first to complain in LOOC, when I turned you to stone.

The Cadet got killed because they were trying to cuff me, and couldve very easily flashed me down, they admitted they were trying to cuff me in dsay. After I turned you all to stone and ran, I came back to see if you were unfrozen to negotiate, cue the AI locking me down and Hammerstein coming in with a shotgun.

I know BSA as a powergamer and validhunter and knew he was going to immediately engage me, so when he came at me with a wielded shotgun, I was forced to defend myself.

You removed the antag 40 minutes in because of an ID. Lots of other players wanted to hear my story, they expressed this ICly and OOCly in dsay.

I will admit, I call people out on utter bullshit in LOOC. Is it usually in anger? Definitely. Usually it': 1-2 messages saying that was BS and then I close my client or fly around the station, I unlike others do not follow around and harass people, something I actively ahelp against.

I won't address allegations of discord because I do not IC in OOC in discord ever. So I cannot complain about round happenings feasibly until round end, and bitching about a characters action is OK.

Next, the UM incident was dumb, I got one stun shot out before trying to flee, I tried to evade him and instead of allowing me too for later RP or taking me hostage, he pushed me into a corner and beheaded me without a word, so in LOOC yes, I said it was utterbullshit. It is exactly why Sec dont like to give antags chances.

This is all I have to say.

[Mcspizzy]

-snip, i messed up and double posted-

Edited November 6, 2017 by Guest

[Mcspizzy]

"You started the hostilities, I wanted to tell a story for the first half of the round and recruit wizards to fight a war against evil with me. But nope, not on your watch. You also if I remember correctly, were the first to complain in LOOC, when I turned you to stone."

If you count me giving you every chance to leave the holodeck filled with security by telling and moving you (yes, the throw) you to get to science (as icly many thought you were a scientist breaking directives) 'hostile', then i dont know what to tell you when sec is up in your business early on. I tried my best to get you away from all the officers, you wanted to stay. as for the baton and whatnot, you handed me a sheet of paper, then two seconds later screamed for me to return it. then you tried to disarm shove me and lo and behold, the officers come to my aid. you ran away and shot magic missile to cover your escape, then rather totally flee you sat there, and i THEN pulled my baton to which you turned me into a statue and blew a hole in the wall behind me. i can only guess, but that fireball was meant for my now immobile character yeah? in short, no, i did not start the hostilities, you did.

"The Cadet got killed because they were trying to cuff me, and couldve very easily flashed me down, they admitted they were trying to cuff me in dsay. After I turned you all to stone and ran, I came back to see if you were unfrozen to negotiate, cue the AI locking me down and Hammerstein coming in with a shotgun."

I fail to see what the difference is between their action on you. are you saying if they attacked you in a different way rather than cuffing you would not have killed them? can you explain this? And hammerstein did not attack you first, i could hear the staff of change going off as soon as you walked out of the armory, i never heard a single sound from the security equipment makes.

"I know BSA as a powergamer and validhunter and knew he was going to immediately engage me, so when he came at me with a wielded shotgun, I was forced to defend myself."

My point, you attacked first. And correct me if im wrong but you knew he would attack you because you think he is these two things? That sounds a lot like metagame, seeing as powergamer and validhunter are ooc terms.

"You removed the antag 40 minutes in because of an ID. Lots of other players wanted to hear my story, they expressed this ICly and OOCly in dsay."

I didn't kill you over an ID, that is stupid and you know that's not true. My character had every right to take you down, you were hostile the moment you set foot on the station, you killed the cadet mandy had trained right infront of her, you attacked a close friend of hers, wounding him badly. not to mention all the regulations you broke, and turning her into a statue repeatedly during your rampage. If your going to kill and attack people, what else is security to do?

"I will admit, I call people out on utter bullshit in LOOC. Is it usually in anger? Definitely. Usually it': 1-2 messages saying that was BS and then I close my client or fly around the station, I unlike others do not follow around and harass people, something I actively ahelp against."

You just admitted to breaking rule 1 knowingly. "Don't be a dick. We're all here to have fun, not fight and argue with assholes. Don't ruin the game for everyone else, and use common sense. This includes anything from attacking other people, starting arguments over nothing, etcetera. Note that this rule applies primarily to OOC, LOOC, AHELP, and DEADSAY."

And i did too in discord, i see now why i was striked, and i do apologize to you for acting like that. calling you out in front of everyone was a dick move.

"I won't address allegations of discord because I do not IC in OOC in discord ever. So I cannot complain about round happenings feasibly until round end, and bitching about a characters action is OK."

Uh, alright. not really sure what your refering too.

"Next, the UM incident was dumb, I got one stun shot out before trying to flee, I tried to evade him and instead of allowing me too for later RP or taking me hostage, he pushed me into a corner and beheaded me without a word, so in LOOC yes, I said it was utterbullshit. It is exactly why Sec dont like to give antags chances."

Much like you were allowed to kill the cadet, and attack me and hammerstein, UM is allowed to do the same. Its called escalation.And even if that wasnt what it was for you were the HoS, you are a big threat to all antags, not to mention all the benefit a ninja can get from killing you, your ID for instance. And even then, UM is the ninja, for all we know he may have been sent to assassinate you.

EDIT: also, why are we talking about what you did in the round? why did i reply to all of it...were here about your ooc actions, not ic!!

[Azande]

I do not understand the goal of this complaint. Would you like to me to agree not to get mad at people in LOOC? Are you asking admins to apply a permanent ban? An LOOC permamute?

Complaints are meant to have an overarching goal.

[Mcspizzy]

Would you like to me to agree not to get mad at people in LOOC?

 

That pretty much it, please stop being so hostile to people in Looc for playing the game, its really nasty. Like i said your fine IC.

[Azande]

Would you like to me to agree not to get mad at people in LOOC?

 

That pretty much it, please stop being so hostile to people in Looc for playing the game, its really nasty. Like i said your fine IC.

 

Okay, since you and a few others seem to share this opinion (despite me not being overtly aware of it being a problem) I will try harder not to engage in hostilities over LOOC when I die/lose. It is not fair to harass someone for making a decision they believed to be most optimal for their own continued fun. I heavily encourage you to ahelp if you see me do this so Modmins can address it and log it in my notes for tracking.

[Faris]

Complaint resolved per mutual discussion and agreement.

Unless there's something else, locking and archiving in 24 hours.

[Faris]

Locking and archiving.