Fortport Posted March 4, 2018 Posted March 4, 2018 So I did my IRL homework for this one. I wanted to make a paramedic, but while looking at their supposed 'qualifications' a thing really irritated me. My character's got to be 25. What? In order to become a paramedic, you must be an EMT and generally have at least 6 months of work experience as an EMT. How long does it take to get an EMT certificate? Becoming a certified EMT can take as long as six months, not a mandatory two years. Say six months later you've got your certificate. You're still eighteen, or nineteen, and have your certificate to be EMT. But you want to be a paramedic, so let's not stop here! Your college has got you covered. So there's this program you want. Let's say it's the strictest program there! You need six months experience as an EMT, before they'll even enroll you. So you do that. Guess what? You're still 18 or 19 after that. Then you decide to enroll in a paramedic program. Two years later you have an associate's degrees in emergency medical services and also a certificate to be a paramedic! Holy cow! You're only 20/21! At the worst, you're 22 because you failed and had to try again. See the problem? I'm not 25. Okay, so I'm 20/21, best case scenario. It doesn't take me six years to become a certified paramedic. You know what would make more sense? If I was required to be at least 25 because that's what NanoTrasen wants, not because that's how long it takes. The Space Station can take a few months to teach me E.V.A, or a few weeks. That's it. You know why this is important? It's important because my character can have experience working as a paramedic on Biesel, having a life(starting from the age of 20/21). It's unrealistic to say that 25 is the minimum requirement to be a paramedic because that implies that they finished college after six years of coursework(which makes no sense), and got their application to NanoTrasen accepted on the first try while having no employment anywhere else. NT, who is a strict corporation. You know what is realistic? Having NT decide that they want experienced paramedics at the age of 25 at least. If 25 is the minimum age because that's how long it takes to become certified(which it doesn't), then NT must accept brand new paramedics from college every time if they're at least 25. Unless they got into college at JUST 18, then they'd be 24 six years later. Please read this carefully before you respond. If you believe I'm wrong, provide a source. Last I checked, you could be a paramedic as young as 21 years old. You can keep the requirement, I guess. At least make the schoolwork more reasonable. I'm legitimately 24 if I start at 18 in this fantasy land of super hard paramedic skills. So NT just tells people who are qualified(with a certificate) to frick off for a year because "they're too young" in this case? The main point of this suggestion is to clarify that being a paramedic doesn't take six years(really) and that being 25 is a company requirement for working in their medbay.
Guest Marlon Phoenix Posted March 4, 2018 Posted March 4, 2018 (edited) Hello, As was explained in the original medical reform thread, there are different qualifications to be any one of our available jobs all over the world. https://forums.aurorastation.org/viewtopic.php?f=107&t=8850 Your entire homework can be picked up and chucked out the window if you start talking to someone studying to be a paramedic in Austria, and then a Chinese paramedic will meander over and say "Well ACTKUALLY...." You would not believe how many passionate arguments exploded and spilled out across the server over things like whether or not paramedics are allowed to give someone an IV. It ended with Abosh telling Nursiekitty that she knew as much about intermittent intravenous medication as she did about pulmonary hypertension, and nursiekitty burst into tears. Decisions had to be chosen based on requirements that fit Aurora that do not correspond to any specific IRL situation, as well as relating medical jobs to each other. If you want to play a younger character then you can choose to be an Emergency Medical Technician. Paramedics are differentiated by being older and more experienced and thus having a wider array of responsibilities. Emergency Medical Technician / ParamedicEMT is young, can stabilize, but does NOT know how to use sleepers properly. Paramedic is older, can stabilize/offer general treatment in sleeper beds. Both are the ONLY ones that can use the hardsuit in their paramedic storage storage. NEVER clone, do surgery, or chemistry. EMT is a dedicated first responder, while a paramedic is a certified EMP-lite able to help out in medical proper. The increased responsibilities (and attached education, qualifications, general red tape, etc.) is reflected in the higher age. Edited March 4, 2018 by Marlon Phoenix
Chada1 Posted March 4, 2018 Posted March 4, 2018 Okay, let's assume you're right, you can get out of EMT training within 2 years, and it's not put into tiers like IRL. (EMT Levels 1-3, EMT-B, EMT-I, EMT-P) Where would your character have learned proper EVA procedure? Where would they have learned how to pilot the Odysseus mech? Did all of this come out of nowhere? I would assume there are a lot more courses than IRL, especially since you're working on a Space station with its own set of problems vs a modern city or town. So, you can count EVA training in general, Hardsuit use training, Mech piloting training, Basic Station safety courses, alongside potentially EMT-B, EMT-I, and EMT-P training depending on your characters job title (EMT or Paramedic) IDK about you but this sounds at least around the 23 area.
Fortport Posted March 4, 2018 Author Posted March 4, 2018 I am afraid that I still disagree with you, Jackboot. Chada1, that's outside of the role of being a paramedic in general(outside of Aurora). That's being a paramedic on Aurora, and also it's not specified that they MUST know how to operate all of that machinery. Whereas EVA is a given(kind of). 23 is still younger than 25. The qualifications on the wiki page don't touch all of those things you mentioned. I don't even have a younger character. They're 27. My problem is when the educational system tells me it takes almost twice as long as it does in any situation IRL(almost, with some exceptions that take 4 years maybe. I'd still be younger than 24 most likely.) to become educated. Why would it take longer? To teach me more? Because it's inefficient? Deep sea astronomy? Look. I don't have a problem with NanoTrasen wanting 25+ year old, experienced, responsible paramedics. That's tailored to them. My problem is that it takes 6 years to become a paramedic OFF of Aurora, where these requirements for age are what you've set up in the education system. I don't understand. It makes no sense to me. If you could show me some situation where it takes so many years, I would be glad to look at it. Is the system inspired by the Chinese? What academies don't require this? I just want my character to have more work experience at their age and possibly other fields.
Guest Marlon Phoenix Posted March 4, 2018 Posted March 4, 2018 It takes longer for the sake of consistency in education requirements for all roles. Paramedic is a stepping stone to becoming an Emergency Medical Physician. It's part of a career path. However, this did have me discover an inconsistency that bizarrely sat all this time without anyone pointing it out until now. Vocational diplomas are not counted for the bare minimum age of a job, yet a vocational degree and the attached 2 years of study are attached to the paramedic role. I could not find any information about why this was on the wiki or the medical reform thread itself, so this has been edited and a small announcement has been made in discord to make others aware. Does this address your primary issues?
Fortport Posted March 4, 2018 Author Posted March 4, 2018 It takes longer for the sake of consistency in education requirements for all roles. Paramedic is a stepping stone to becoming an Emergency Medical Physician. It's part of a career path. However, this did have me discover an inconsistency that bizarrely sat all this time without anyone pointing it out until now. Vocational diplomas are not counted for the bare minimum age of a job, yet a vocational degree and the attached 2 years of study are attached to the paramedic role. I could not find any information about why this was on the wiki or the medical reform thread itself, so this has been edited and a small announcement has been made in discord to make others aware. Does this address your primary issues? The requirement in itself for age I trust is because NT wants competent paramedics with work experience, rather than it taking exactly that long to become qualified and accepted. It's still an improvement.
Guest Marlon Phoenix Posted March 4, 2018 Posted March 4, 2018 All qualification requirements are requiements for the NanoTrasen corporation and are standardized across all the NT corporation. If you want to have your backstory location have different qualifications for like a Martian biodome then that's fine, but to have this character actually work on the Aurora they'll need the respective qualifications listed.
Fortport Posted March 4, 2018 Author Posted March 4, 2018 All qualification requirements are requiements for the NanoTrasen corporation and are standardized across all the NT corporation. If you want to have your backstory location have different qualifications for like a Martian biodome then that's fine, but to have this character actually work on the Aurora they'll need the respective qualifications listed. Which would just be age in this case, as the wiki qualifications are most paramedics in general I imagine?
Synnono Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 I believe what you see on the wiki are the requirements for a NanoTrasen employee. At least until the day we get non-NT maps and characters, which seems distant at best. It's a bit out of scope to list galactic standards for the job roles on their respective guides, because: 1. There probably are none, the galaxy is very big, and 2. We don't have a way to play with non-NT standards on regular station characters in-game right now.
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