Staff Complaint - tomiixstarslasher

[cameron110]

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Cameron110

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1 day

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tomiixstarslasher

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You have been banned by tomiixstarslasher.

Reason: Went into the engine room and roleplayed as a drunk stereotypical russian, irradiated himself and caused a power delay that required security to respond. Please do not play psychotic characters who don't care for their wellbeing. This character and their records are not believable, and would of been fired a long time ago. Please rewrite the character (Yakkov Petrushenkov) and rereview our rules. You may appeal this decision on our forums..

This is a temporary ban, it will be removed in 1440 minutes.

Reason for Appeal: (State your reason for why you think you should be unbanned)

To start I realize it is a 1 day ban and you will just ignore it anyways because it isn't that big of a deal. But I am responding because I feel that there needs to be clarification and that my character was mischaracterized. I also would like the warning and ban removed from my record (if it is possible) because I believe it was misguided and all the facts were not taken into account. But it is your call of course.

Yes I play as a usually drunk russian character for fun. However, I did not 1) irradiated myself nor 2) cause a power delay that required security to respond.

1) The picture attached shows how I am at 100 health not irradiated.

2) In addition with regards to the engine, the first thing I did was get my gear, my cigs, and fill up my flask at the bar (and drank it), and came back to set up the engine, but had to be afk for a phone call. When I got back I was informed nobody knew how to set up the engine, so I proceed to do so by gathering the phoron tanks. Also a CE just arrived to to help out - so that was nice. Was I drunk? Yes, but I was doing the job that the others didn't know how to do before the CE came. We just got the tanks in place when security arrived to take me to the brig for detoxification (sit me in a chair to sober up), which was fine, I didn't resist or anything and even walked there myself along with the security, proof being I was allowed to be there with all my gear and without restraints (picture). So the security did not respond to a power delay caused by me. It was more like, "hey lets just get that guy sobered up."

3) I don't play a psychotic drunk or a psychotic character in general because that is how you get banned. I play a character that usually is a visitor or assistant with an issue with heavy drinking. Completely harmless. And a character that does care for his well-being, isn't suicidal nor actively hurts himself, he just has a drinking addiction. 4) The character's records are written by me for the purpose of adding intrigue:

:::Criminal Record:::

Minor infractions: Stealing

Disorderly Conduct

Assaults (Non-fatal)

Investigations: Possible links to Gorlex Marauders and Cybersun Industries.

*Leads came up null.

Notes:

Alliance: N/A

Faction: N/A

Political Stance: N/A

Secondary Language: Gutter

NanoTrasen Relation: Opposed

It plays to his backstory of coming from a rough background and a misguided youth. Would he have been fired? I disagree, because he was cleared to be hired in the first place and I've cleared his IC record with an admin before. Being an engineer or miner is a rough and dirty job, and my character is a rough and dirty character.

In regards to re-writing my character that I've played for a while and never had any issues, I believe this is unduly asked.

In regards to the Warning, in the beginning of the round when someone was saying a bunch of stuff about a wizard federation over comms, and everyone else was talking about a wizard federation, I just thought some loony was on the comms. So I said in a sarcastically joking manner piggybacking off the comms "goddamn space wizards", because I was putting together the comm talk about wizards and the fact we are in space, so I just made a funny statement that is outrageous and that nobody believes, not even my character - it was just an off-handed quip from a drunkard. Immediately I am spoken to by the moderator and given a warning for metagaming. When I didn't even know the actual antag was a wizard that round and was just joking about the existence of something outrageous ICly in regards to some funny talk on the comms. So, I believe the warning was unwarranted too.

In closing, with these facts laid out and the picture complete, I believe the explanations acquittal Yakkov, clarify the situation/correct some accusations, and show there was a logical answer to all the issues raised by the moderator. This whole thing I believe is just a culmination of miscommunication and lack of all the facts behind the judgement leveled.

Thank you for your time.

[Faris]

Unban appeals are for when you agree with the punishment. This feels more like you're complaining about an action and want it both removed and expunged.

Which is it?

[cameron110]

Unban appeals are for when you agree with the punishment. This feels more like you're complaining about an action and want it both removed and expunged.

Which is it?

 

My apologies, I was under the impression that an Unban Request was just an appeal about a ban in general. Where then does one go for instances of believed unreasonable proscription and the repeal thereof?

Thank you.

[Faris]

Unban appeals are for when you agree with the punishment. This feels more like you're complaining about an action and want it both removed and expunged.

Which is it?

 

My apologies, I was under the impression that an Unban Request was just an appeal about a ban in general. Where then does one go for instances of believed unreasonable proscription and the repeal thereof?

Thank you.

 

Staff complaint, which is where I moved it now. Relevant parties will be notified.

[mention]Tomiix[/mention]

[cameron110]

Thank you for the help Sharp.

As this is now under Staff Complaints, I just wanted to be clear, I am not aggressing Tomiix. I am sure Tomiix is a great moderator. I just dispute the aforementioned judgements passed.

[eab549]

Hi, i was the Chief that round and the one that had you drunk tanked aswell. IMHO i dont mind drunk people, i just want them sober near the engine hence why sec pulled you into the brig for sobering up without charges, and my faxing of CC requesting you have to take some kind of alcoholics class. i personally believe this is a matter that IAA should handle IC as the captain informed me on the bridge that your character had been drunk instantly into 3 rounds, as someone with slight amounts of irl electrical knowledge for power generation systems i can tell you that if someone showed up drunk on the job 3 times they would be fired instantly for being a safety hazard. In the case of causing yourself harm from what i was observing before i could join the round your mesons were not on from the observers stand point, this can and will cause nasty hallucinations such as n2 tanks being colored like phoron or your health meter being fake crit or fake full. In recap it kinda just looks like a cool off ban in my eyes, look forward to seeing you on my team again.

[Tomiix]

Hey there, Tomiix here.

Let's talk about this now that I have time. Sorry for the wait, I had a lot going on.

After other staff took time looking over logs and how your character behaved during the round when I applied the ban, I don't see any reason how you can justify said bans removal.

Your character endangered himself and the crew by entering the engine room drunk. He tried justifying bus behaviour by saying his Vodka were his messons. A character who behaves this way REPETEDLY is not someone who would realistically be working on the station.

My stance has not changed on the ban or the reasonings for it. And if this character hasn't changed and I catch you acting unrealistically again with the same character we will have the same conversation.

The warning may of been overzealous, but our warning system is our way of letting you know what the rules are, and help us establish a history of your behavior. You can't just use your drunkenness as an excuse to metacomminicate to the entire station what the antag type is. Which is why I established the warning.

[witchbells]

Hey there. This thing has been sitting for a while so I'm going to be quick.

Trick and I have been discussing both the incidents in question, and while we're in favor of pardoning the tongue-in-cheek joke about space wizards (plenty of people do this, there's nothing wrong with it. Your worst crime here was perhaps being a tad too on the nose about it.) the incident where you play a drunken engineer setting up the engine is absolutely an issue, mostly for IC reasons.

 

if someone showed up drunk on the job 3 times they would be fired instantly

 

As the admin liaison for CCIA, I can confirm that this is precisely what would have happened. Anyone working such sensitive equipment while under the influence would very possibly be dropped for the first incident, or in a best case scenario, suspended and demoted. CCIAA would most likely be aware of your character's alcoholism or would soon find out if it was such a common problem, and would not be allowing him near the engine until they and medical professionals were sure he could stay sober after some time.

I'll leave this open for a bit longer just in case someone has issues.

[cameron110]

[mention]nursiekitty[/mention] , [mention]Tomiix[/mention]

I understand where you are coming from. I think the problem was that with the character, I exclusively played him as a visitor to the station up until the incident at hand. So I am thinking that when this was the first time I switched to an actual occupation, I didn't really make the full transition of understanding just how differently one is treated as an employee rather than a visitor - not being under as strict guidelines. In light of these explanations, the action (ban) I guess does make sense to a degree. However, I agree with eab549 and nursiekitty and think it would have made more sense and would be "cooler" if he underwent an investigation by the IAA - where there is a meeting set up and his possible job continuation is discussed. But I understand that we all have lives and that may be asking to much RP wise.

In regards to the warning, I hadn't played ss13 for quite some time before I started again that week, and I really just forgot that there was even an antag that was a space wizard. So when I say that I was making an off-handed quip about something outrageous existing, even from an IC point of view, I meant it. I didn't remember the antags existence until it "poofed" into the bar and I was spoken to by the moderator. So it really was an innocent mistake, and I would still appreciate a consideration of the removal of the warning.

In conclusion, a thank you to everyone for taking the time to look into this and help me understand, while letting me give my explanations too. I still hope you all would consider my request about the warning.

[Tomiix]

I had @Catnip help me delete the warning.

As for a CCIA investigation. That would be up to you and if any CCIA would want to take that. I would accept a CCIA action instead of a character change, however in the future you shouldn't make characters who are going to need to be scrutinized by the CCIA, as if you were hired, you already were.

[witchbells]

This is settled, then.

Locking and archiving.