Evandorf Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 BYOND Key: Evandorf Staff BYOND Key: Alberyk Game ID: bTy-cXUm Reason for complaint: I was given the followying warning: alberyk 2018-03-25 19:58:20 For, every round as warden, building a plasteel spear without any reasons besides stocking the armory. Alberyk stated that this was against the server power gaming rules and that if there were a need or if something was happening it would be a different story but that doing so as part of my setup was not allowed. The logs from the game in which the warning was given are attached. There are two points on this which I disagree. -------------- The first is that I disagree that I take these actions for no reason other than stocking the armory. When I play as Warden, I have a regular setup routine. I have my own armory inventory that I make. I setup the EFTPOS for charges ((Although I've recently been told that the consoles will handle the penal charges)). I top off my personal oxygen tank. If possible, I grab the Hegemony flag from the nearby maintenance and hang it in my office. I grab a mouse as a snack and I supplement the armory with the NT Breacher and a spear. My character, coming from a Traditional Moghesian household with veterans of the Contact War, is stereo-typically Unthai. He also follows strict Unathi Honor and tradition regarding the Path of the Warrior. Like other Unathi, he prefers melee combat to ranged combat. Regardless, he listens to his superiors and if they have an issue with the spear or breacher RIG (Both of which are added to the armory inventory which is also given to the HoS) then he will return the RiG or put the spear in evidence or have it destroyed, whichever is requested. I say all this to indicate that the creation of the spear is in keeping with my character. It is well documented, believable to my character, and is not just to have a weapon available. It usually sits with the Breacher RIG on its own table in the armory the entire round unless I personally have need of it. The rule as it shows on the server is : No powergaming. Roleplay takes precedence over objectives - do not engage in behavior which would be unrealistic for your character in an attempt to win the round. For example: building weaponry, such as stungloves, without any IC reason for them. As you can see from the logs, my interaction with Alberyk was very brief and there was no time to go into all this detail, but I believe I have shown enough IC reasoning for why I have it nearby. ------------------- My second issue is with how this influences my role as warden and precedents set by Heads of Staff. In the past, I have been told by multiple HoS characters that I can supply and augment the armory as I see fit (Clement Beach is one I recall immediately). Some have had me preemptively order additional ammo from cargo. Some even go so far as to have me work with engineering to have a hacked autolathe installed for us to print our own ammunition. At the beginning of the round in question, I was tasked with having an autolathe installed in the armory by HOS Khaled Al-Bastaki. I asked Alberyk about this during our exchange and he said he would look into it, but later in the round the HOS again asked about the progress of the autolathe so I assume that it was either not an issue or dismissed. The addition of lethal ammo, such as shotgun slugs, seems an equivalent or even more extreme step to take in augmenting the armory but to my knowledge is not regarded as powergaming. At the very least I have not seen steps taken against it. If this were simply an issue of legitimate NT approved weaponry versus contraband weaponry then I would assume this to be taken care of IC. But as I stated, Tokash will follow orders and discard the spear if his superiors request it. ----------------------- In summary, I understand the concern and the reasoning behind the warning I was given but, as I stated above, I believe it is in keeping with my character. In the future I can take steps to ameliorate some of the issues. Perhaps I could make a weaker spear using steel instead of plasteel, but this incident has left me rattled and I do not want to have to ahelp every time I put non-standard equipment into the armory for fear of more warnings. Evidence/logs/etc: https://www.dropbox.com/s/lgwiekyr772vl6h/log%202018-03-25%20%282%2003%20pm%29.htm?dl=0 Additional remarks: None.
Alberyk Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 Building weapons just to leave them around or just because is still against the rules, even if you are security. We did apply the same logic to engineering staff building knives, spears and etc just because they would need to face carp and etc in the future. It is fully different from someone having someone build an autolathe to stock the armory with rubber magazines or handcuffs. Building a plasteel spear, everyround, and leaving it easily at your reach is still against the rules. As I said, I have no issues if there is any reason for you to build a spear or whatever, but I am against it beind build under the excuse it is going to stock the armory. The excuse that your character is an unathi does not really change the fact they are building a weapon at roundstart just because.
Evandorf Posted March 25, 2018 Author Posted March 25, 2018 In my experience, the autolathe is not used for rubber/non-lethal bullets. The armory has those in spades to start with. Regardless, you keep going back to my doing this "just because" when I have tried to show my reasonings and other IC interactions surrounding it. I don't think there's much more to say between the two of us so I will just wait for further staff input.
Garnascus Posted March 31, 2018 Posted March 31, 2018 Apologies for the late response. IRL work has kept me away. Sorry man, this has just never been a thing we allowed. I get it that it seems reasonable for your character but generally we expect your reasons for building weapons to come from in round. So building a spear to hunt carp or chase down bears or something like that. You cant just fill the armory up. I completely understand that this is what your character would do. it is just one of those things that we have to be super strict on for balance reasons. along the same line of thinking we cant permit security to order a load of extra weapons at round start. its powergaming.
Evandorf Posted April 1, 2018 Author Posted April 1, 2018 I understand. At the very least, could I have the warning removed? I know that one warning doesn't mean much on its own but Alberyk's message during this round was the first time anyone had spoken to me about the issue.
Garnascus Posted April 1, 2018 Posted April 1, 2018 ..well no. if we remove the warning than all documentation of this incident is gone. Its barely a punishment.
Evandorf Posted April 1, 2018 Author Posted April 1, 2018 OK, I guess I thought warnings were more like a strike system. Nevermind then.
Garnascus Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 nope. theres no set amount you can accrue before you get banned. Whats important are patterns of problematic behavior. locking and archiving.
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