Character Complain: Alice Green

[Tequilajoe]

BYOND Key: Tequilajoe

Game ID:b2D-bRYd

Player Byond Key/Character name: Alice Green (Ckey unknown)

Staff involved: TrickingTrapster, TheGoret 

Reason for complaint: Bad job RP, bad fear RP. Actively chasing antags

Did you attempt to adminhelp the issue at the time? If so, what was the known action taken by administration/moderation? Yes, but little action was taken. Logs could not be viewed by the moderators

Approximate Date/Time: 08/08/2019

 

This isn't the first time I've seen Alice Green behave like this, and I'm sure it won't be the last.

She is typically an EMT or medical intern, when I see her play. She is more or less passable when things are peaceful, but as soon as any sort of conflict kicks up, she seems to think it's okay to suddenly transform into security.

I get it, it's code red. Shit's bad, people scrounge for guns, but this was a bit much. Particularly when she was going around chasing mercenaries with ERT instead of helping the dead and dying get to the medbay, or the ones already in there.

Aside from shooting wildly at antags who are politely asking her to walk away (and hitting friendlies in the process), Alice becomes pretty rowdy when she fights.

 

This is from after following ERT and "helping" them gun down a mercenary. Not exactly your everyday medical professional.

 

Little disclaimer, I didn't spend a lot of time with her so I only saw so much, some of these shots might be taken out of a larger context. An admin should review the logs. But this isn't the first time she's acted like this. I recall a round when I was playing CMO and she, as a medical intern, strapped some steel plates to herself and charged raiders with a spear. I didn't witness the event, but I was there to clean up the mess. No screenies or other proof of this, but give me a week, and I guarantee I'll get a chance to see her do it all over again.

[MattAtlas]

Hello, Nossar here. None of this is out of context - she looted a dead warden in that round and took their vest/shotgun/belt to... well, defend people, I guess? 

The encounter outlined in the OP happened in south robotics, in the hallway. I had some people hostage in robotics to repair a fellow merc and told Green to drop the shotgun and walk away with a C20-r out, in their immense wisdom they shot at me. It didn't make much sense all things considered.

[Star Dust]

I was just following ERT to patch them up if they got hurt because from what I saw they lacked anyone who would patch them up. I did hang behind the ERT so I would not get shot. I did fire a shotgun once and honesty I should not have. And also all I did was loot people to protect myself and to maybe hope that a SEC officer would come online so she could give the stuff. And I screamed dead to tell the ETR to stop firing at a dead corpse. And she did call the ETR's hero's because the raiders were holding unarmed people hostages and killed a lot of people on the station.

[Star Dust]

14 hours ago, Datamatt said:

Hello, Nossar here. None of this is out of context - she looted a dead warden in that round and took their vest/shotgun/belt to... well, defend people, I guess? 

The encounter outlined in the OP happened in south robotics, in the hallway. I had some people hostage in robotics to repair a fellow merc and told Green to drop the shotgun and walk away with a C20-r out, in their immense wisdom they shot at me. It didn't make much sense all things considered.

Were you the one who was in the white voidsuit and was gunned down by ERT?

[MattAtlas]

1 minute ago, Star Dust said:

Were you the one who was in the white voidsuit and was gunned down by ERT?

No. I was the unathi merc in robotics.

[Star Dust]

15 minutes ago, Datamatt said:

No. I was the unathi merc in robotics.

I think when you told Alice to drop the shotgun the logs got flooded with other messages at the time or I just missed it due to me having some bad tunnel vision and focusing on the screen and not the text

Edited August 9, 2019 by Star Dust

[Tequilajoe]

On 09/08/2019 at 23:09, Star Dust said:

I was just following ERT to patch them up if they got hurt because from what I saw they lacked anyone who would patch them up. I did hang behind the ERT so I would not get shot. I did fire a shotgun once and honesty I should not have. And also all I did was loot people to protect myself and to maybe hope that a SEC officer would come online so she could give the stuff. And I screamed dead to tell the ETR to stop firing at a dead corpse. And she did call the ETR's hero's because the raiders were holding unarmed people hostages and killed a lot of people on the station.

Did the ERT even ask for your help? Tell you to follow them and heal them?

Also, that following statement simply isn't true. Alice had plenty of opportunity to turn over the gear from the corpses she looted, or even put them in a secure locker, etc, but there was no attempt was ever made. If your looting was intended to simply protect yourself, why would you stroll around in the open with visible weapons and armor? I, too, looted a pistol or two that round, but I kept all that tucked away in my bag and only planned to use it in a bad situation (such as a raider attempting to kill me). You, on the other hand, were obviously looking for trouble. I'm not sure why you are hoping to accomplish by lying to me.

You totally neglected your medbay. The nurse and psychologist could barely keep up with the workload while you ran around pretending to be security. You apparently looted the warden and left him for dead, I had to toss his corpse into medical. Same thing with the hostage, and other people who were killed. Corpses everywhere, nobody was getting healed, nobody was recovering the bodies and putting them into medbay. That is the job of an EMT and you did, as far as I could see, almost none of it. 

My main issue is not Alice herself, its the jobs you put her in. If you like chasing antags, shooting and hollering, following ERT straight into hell, that's fine! But please play security. We have something called "fear RP", where you're not supposed to willingly run into live fire or exceedingly dangerous situations (unless you're security/ERT) because your character should at least have some concern for their safety and wellbeing. Doesn't mean you have to sit there and cower in a corner, but as stated before, Alice was more of a bloodthirsty soldier than a civilian EMT.

[Tequilajoe]

Can I bump this? I would really like input from staff on this.

[Shadow7889]

Greetings citizens! Myself and @Pratepresidenten will be handling this complaint. Please grant us some time to dig through logs and collect the stuff we need. Sorry for the wait!

[Shadow7889]

Hello again, sorry for the wait! Myself and @Pratepresidenten have tore through the logs, and what evidence was provided here as well. @Star Dust given your extensive amount of staff entries the past three months, many regarding validhunting and a lack of fear RP, we've come to the agreement that a ban is in order. There will be a 7-day ban applied to your ckey as a result of this complaint. I urge you to reconsider how you play Alice Green from here on out. If this happens again, you will likely be looking at a permaban.

Thread will be locked and archived in about 24 hours unless there any concerns or issues that need to be addressed. Thank you again for your patience.